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5th August 2014, 03:39 PM | #321 |
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5th August 2014, 03:39 PM | #322 |
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Personally, the lag issues are making me question my frequent visits, here. The forum has been a major part of my internet life in the past 9 years, but because of the members, not the actual foundation/forum. I do miss many of the old familiar faces who either left or were banned. If we were to find a new place and the regulars here switched, I would be inclined to follow.
The question, however, and no matter what happens (change of forum or just change of owners), is how the new rules affect the community and its dynamics. Some members may not have been banned under those rules. You'll have to explain that one to me. You can't debate with Twitter on 140 characters. Youtube is... not very good for discussions, etc. I get that Facebook could do the trick but it's not as well-structured as a forum, so the thread of a conversation gets lost very very quickly.
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5th August 2014, 03:41 PM | #323 |
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If a member is banned does that mean in the new forum they'll be able to come back?
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5th August 2014, 03:45 PM | #324 |
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5th August 2014, 03:47 PM | #325 |
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Well, some are still on board, some are understandably p***ed at what I think has been poor treatment by JREF, who hasn't communicated with and treated them with the respect they deserve. It's sad that they in effect are taking that out on the forum community (by withdrawing their services to the community), but I can also understand the reaction - heck, I did much the same in a similar situation once.
The forum just needs a new home. That's it. It's an opportunity to make it better than before, with lessons learned from the mistakes. Myself and other members have all put up our hands and said we'll keep it running. If the forum dies it's because the members choose that path, not because JREF decided they didn't want to support it any more. |
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5th August 2014, 03:49 PM | #326 |
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5th August 2014, 03:51 PM | #327 |
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Well, this is sad news.
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5th August 2014, 03:52 PM | #328 |
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5th August 2014, 03:54 PM | #329 |
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5th August 2014, 03:58 PM | #330 |
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5th August 2014, 04:00 PM | #331 |
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Are icerat and Darat related?
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5th August 2014, 04:02 PM | #332 |
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Not a very 'politic' response methinks.
This way or the highway ? Someone mentioned RDF upthread ? FWIW I dont have a dog in this fight & Nor am I trying to stir the pot. I doubt most posters would recognize my username in any case but - the bleedin' obvious is just that. Given the recent login issues would a period of consultation not be appropriate. Although if one wishes to be cynical some RDF type netdrama would be a source of gaiety to many. |
5th August 2014, 04:04 PM | #333 |
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Well, I have finally managed to get logged in and the only way I could do it was by downloading and using Safari
Firefox, Opera and Chrome all tell me "Wrong username or password. You have used up your failed login quota! Please wait 15 minutes before trying again." and IE tells me I'm a Fake BOT Block details Your IP: 111.69.92.168 URL: forums.randi.org/login.php?do=login Your Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; BTRS127583; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.5. Block ID: FBP006 Block reason: Fake bot access. Time: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 17:14:11 -0400 Server ID: cp413 On topic, I'll follow this forum wherever it goes, JREF or no JREF IMO, first order of business once the hardware is sorted out (and if the new owners want to stick with vBulletin) is to upgrade to version that is supported ... at least 4.2.0 |
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5th August 2014, 04:05 PM | #334 |
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I have no qualms about keeping my user account and continuing to participate on the forum.
The forum is the way it is because of it's members, not because of what entity paid the bills. |
5th August 2014, 04:06 PM | #335 |
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5th August 2014, 04:07 PM | #336 |
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5th August 2014, 04:14 PM | #337 |
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Did I mention the loathing
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5th August 2014, 04:20 PM | #338 |
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5th August 2014, 04:28 PM | #339 |
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5th August 2014, 04:32 PM | #340 |
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As usual, I have nothing worthwhile to contribute; but I do want to say that I strongly appreciate the efforts of those who have stepped up to keep things running. I've been here for the better part of a decade; and this place is very important to me. It's almost my sole daily dose of sanity in a world of nonsense; particularly with so many of my other friends and acquaintances going down the woo rabbit-hole and drinking the SJW kool-aid lately. It's nice to have a place that values skepticism and rational, reasoned debate free (mostly) of personal attacks and demonization.
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5th August 2014, 04:35 PM | #341 |
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I remember when a forum that I loved suddenly shut down with no warning. I tracked down two members from the forum and only one was a friend. Never got in contact with any of the friends I made there after that.
Never found a place like it since then. So I'm happy this forum isn't going, even if there's going to be a changing of hands and name it'll still be here. I'm a member of a few other skeptical forums, and I post there about as often as I do here, but a number of the friends I've made in the skeptical community are here. |
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5th August 2014, 04:44 PM | #342 |
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You're from the north, right.
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5th August 2014, 05:01 PM | #344 |
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5th August 2014, 05:05 PM | #345 |
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5th August 2014, 05:09 PM | #346 |
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If people are wanting to find a new forum after this, check out the skeptics guide to the universe forum or rational skepticism. RS has a lot of members from the Dawkin's forum.
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5th August 2014, 05:12 PM | #347 |
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5th August 2014, 05:17 PM | #349 |
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So take that quantum equation and recalculate the wave by a factor of hoopty doo! The answer is not my problem, it's yours. Three Word Story Wisdom |
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5th August 2014, 05:25 PM | #351 |
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As most political forum discussions here degrade into name calling I do not care if it folds. What I only use it for now is to post the most jejune quotes from here on other forums.
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5th August 2014, 05:28 PM | #352 |
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I've started a separate thread in Community for more specific, focused discussion on what to do next in regards to the forum; people might wanna' go there to discuss it, but am posting a copy here too:
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5th August 2014, 05:30 PM | #353 |
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5th August 2014, 05:32 PM | #354 |
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I have no technical abilities but I will donate and do anything else that is needed with reorganizing.
Everyone keeps mentioning Jeff Wagg but he has not come here and posted about it. Icerat is here among us, actively being a part of us. I for one like the idea of someone who we "know" and see once in a while. |
5th August 2014, 05:36 PM | #355 |
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I believe that what's being discussed is a kind of cooperative arrangement...Jeff Wagg takes over 'ownership' of the forum, and is in charge of it from a legal perspective; while icerat would be responsible for technical details of actually migrating the site to its new location.
Icerat's also offered to assume the costs of doing so, but I don't see why that should be necessary....I think we should be able to get enough financial support from the membership to cover most or all of that. |
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5th August 2014, 05:37 PM | #356 |
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Personally, I think this is a huge mistake for the JREF, but its disdain for this forum has been glaringly evident for some time.
JREF will lose a very active part of its community when this is done, because people's attention will be directed elsewhere. What's more, this is not the first time that "get rid of it" has been floated. Somebody, somewhere in the JREF does not like the idea of a forum, and has been working on this for some years now. |
5th August 2014, 05:42 PM | #357 |
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Although Jeff's direct participation in the forum has waned over the past several years, his long-standing contributions to both the forum and to the JREF, itself, are well-established. Those of us who know Jeff also know what a positive influence he'd have heading the forum. I don't think you will find anyone seriously expressing anything to the contrary. He's a damn good choice. |
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5th August 2014, 05:50 PM | #358 |
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5th August 2014, 06:03 PM | #359 |
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5th August 2014, 06:15 PM | #360 |
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Just one thing before I call it a night, I think it's important for everyone to note that JREF has agreed to financially support the migration to a new server and operations for 6 months.
They're not just abandoning the site without assistance and they're helping keep it alive, I didn't ask for that contribution, they offered it. |
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