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3rd September 2014, 01:52 PM | #2 |
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Seems reasonable.
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3rd September 2014, 02:03 PM | #3 |
So far, so good...
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Would using, in the sense of reading without registering, constitute acceptance of the T&C? If not, the first sentence might better be this:
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3rd September 2014, 02:06 PM | #4 |
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I demand blanket immunity.
Other than that, it looks good. |
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3rd September 2014, 02:07 PM | #5 |
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Should it define what an Administrator and a Moderator are?
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3rd September 2014, 02:26 PM | #6 |
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That's covered in the mod agreement and that won't be being changed beyond the changing of "JREF". See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=27572
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3rd September 2014, 02:42 PM | #7 |
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Under the "How your information is used" header, we should include some kind of provision that allows the Forum to cooperate with law enforcement, as required by law.
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3rd September 2014, 02:42 PM | #8 |
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Looks OK to me.
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3rd September 2014, 02:54 PM | #9 |
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From the pdf
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3rd September 2014, 02:59 PM | #10 |
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OK by me, I'm in.
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3rd September 2014, 03:01 PM | #11 |
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3rd September 2014, 03:41 PM | #12 |
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I 'm comfortable with it, as are all my socks...
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3rd September 2014, 04:38 PM | #13 |
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The International Skeptics Forum totally copied the JREF forum!
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3rd September 2014, 04:39 PM | #14 |
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Originally Posted by BStrong
Yes, but I think that's covered in any event in that section with this:
Originally Posted by Draft T&Cs
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3rd September 2014, 04:41 PM | #15 |
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3rd September 2014, 04:44 PM | #16 |
I would save the receptionist.
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It looks good. That copyright notice is pretty daunting.
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3rd September 2014, 04:46 PM | #17 |
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Small thing:
"... prohibit and/or ban the posting of messages by any member at any time if they should violate these Terms, or for any other reasonable cause." Wouldn't this make more sense if it was "...ban and/or prohibit the posting of messages by any member at any time if the member should violate these Terms, or for any other reasonable cause." |
3rd September 2014, 04:51 PM | #18 |
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3rd September 2014, 05:03 PM | #19 |
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Scrolled to the bottom and clicked "I agree".
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3rd September 2014, 05:34 PM | #20 |
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One question only:
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3rd September 2014, 05:52 PM | #21 |
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3rd September 2014, 06:13 PM | #22 |
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3rd September 2014, 06:52 PM | #23 |
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The mod agreement should be in a public space then and linked to in the T&C. You're asking people to agree to special privileges for Mods and Admins without letting then know what a Mod or Admin can or can't do.
I know it's always been this way, but you did ask for feedback. |
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3rd September 2014, 07:29 PM | #24 |
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Originally Posted by Gawdzilla
Yes, that is so, as I understand it. |
3rd September 2014, 07:44 PM | #25 |
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No, Mods have no access to names and such, only Admins do. This is a bit of standard/default language carried over from the existing JREF T&Cs, which was (presumably) put in place 'just in case'. You (and every other member) have, of course, the option not to agree to the new T&Cs if you take issue with them in any regard. |
3rd September 2014, 07:55 PM | #26 |
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I don't know about officers, but agents usually refers to people that (in this case) TribeTech assigns certain tasks or responsibilities to. So an offsite backup provider would have a copy of the data sitting on their servers. Technical administrators would have console level root access to the operating system. Sometimes the companies providing the hardware have a certain level of access for remote hand and eyes if stuff goes wonky and remote access isn't working (though I don't think that's the case here). The server provider might have access to the physical disks (likely in the kind of setup we're going to) so in theory has access to the server disk and any snapshots taken. That kind of thing.
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3rd September 2014, 08:07 PM | #27 |
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3rd September 2014, 08:13 PM | #28 |
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3rd September 2014, 08:17 PM | #29 |
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I didn't see an agreement term that explicitly permitted TribeTech to transfer the entire agreement and all of its rights under it to a third party. Wouldn't that resolve the passing-of-the-baton problem without the ungodly copyright condition? |
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3rd September 2014, 09:18 PM | #30 |
I would save the receptionist.
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Because that's where the lawyer who looked at this was licensed. His thought process was, "Well, I know this is all okay in New York. I have no idea how any of it might be interpreted outside of New York. If we ever get sued, I want to be able to handle the matter without hiring local counsel. Also, this same wording has been in every contract I've ever seen and I might as well put it in because I'm not about to be the one who screws this up." As a lawyer in New York, I'm pretty sure that was exactly what happened. |
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3rd September 2014, 10:09 PM | #33 |
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I'm in also.
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3rd September 2014, 10:10 PM | #34 |
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3rd September 2014, 10:20 PM | #35 |
I would save the receptionist.
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3rd September 2014, 10:29 PM | #36 |
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I clicked on the linkk and nothing happened. I heard the letters pdf in the web address so I wanted to see whether my computer will turn it into something that Synthetic Dave can read, but as nothing happened I don't know!
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3rd September 2014, 10:32 PM | #37 |
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3rd September 2014, 11:06 PM | #38 |
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I ain't a lawyer, so I have to go on trust. Not very scepticky of me, I know. Please don't feed me to the machine!
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3rd September 2014, 11:09 PM | #39 |
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Those agreements were always public. (as far as I know)
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...splay.php?f=30 |
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3rd September 2014, 11:32 PM | #40 |
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IANAL, so I have no idea what I'm signing off on, but I agree.
PS. Can we make sure all members, including SusanB-M1 (see four posts above) and others, can access this info as well? |
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