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7th September 2014, 06:21 PM | #121 |
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Your questions have been answered numerous times; people who are lawyers with significant understanding of this entire thing have chimed in; yet you keep making the same claims. Essentially, you don't understand it...so it must be wrong. I'm sorry, but your lack of comprehension doesn't constitute a crisis on the part of the forum. No copyright is being breached. If you disagree, rather than spouting the same ignorant nonsense over and over, consult an actual copyright lawyer. They'll just repeat what everyone here has already told you. |
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7th September 2014, 09:56 PM | #122 |
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9th September 2014, 03:14 PM | #124 |
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Hey Lolly prepare to soil your knickers
http://web.archive.org/web/200808191...x.php/t-5.html JREF forums have been republishing its member's copyrighted material on third party web servers for over a decade. What a flipping liberty! |
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10th September 2014, 04:32 AM | #125 |
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I'm sure I've missed this somewhere, but who exactly now owns the forum?
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10th September 2014, 05:32 AM | #126 |
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10th September 2014, 10:24 AM | #127 |
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10th September 2014, 11:06 AM | #129 |
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10th September 2014, 11:38 AM | #130 |
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This is almost getting funny. Kinda like "Who's on first".
Lolly has made a very good point that JREF and the new whomevers are two completely different entities. The JREF is a not for profit organization with very clearly stated goals and motivations. The other is anybody's best guess. How do I or anyone else know that any profits made from a completely new forum my post are now part of if I agree to the T&C or not doesn't go into the creation or upkeep of a nazi propaganda forum that I would never want any part in? I agreed to the T&C of the JREF because I agreed with their overall mission and because I trusted James Randi. What does that have to do with something or someone called tech tribe? I find it rather odd that statements of how unimportant Lollys questions are are backed up with a multitude of post explaining in detail how unimportant they are. Reminds me of cockroaches scattering when the lights come on. There will be lawsuits. |
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10th September 2014, 11:56 AM | #132 |
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Really? That will be a collossal waste of money.
Your motivation for agreeing to the T&C of the JREF is really irrelevant. The fact is you agreed to it and under the T&C JREF can re-publish which is what it is going to do. If you don't like the new organization, don't join when things move over. And the joke about profits made from the new forum is a good one. |
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10th September 2014, 02:06 PM | #133 |
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10th September 2014, 03:06 PM | #134 |
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There is a new draft of the T&Cs, I'll upload them when I'm back at my PC in the morning
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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11th September 2014, 04:05 AM | #136 |
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11th September 2014, 06:49 AM | #137 |
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11th September 2014, 07:11 AM | #138 |
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11th September 2014, 08:19 AM | #139 |
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The only thing that gives me pause is:
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Personally, I'm more than happy to give icerat the benefit of the doubt. I'm a little leery about "any third party it designates," or transfers the rights to. Is this boilerplate stuff? I'm not much for legalease. Assuage me, baby! |
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11th September 2014, 08:31 AM | #140 |
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What reason would they have for worrying about that that wouldn't also be a worry just for posting in public?
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11th September 2014, 08:38 AM | #141 |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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11th September 2014, 08:42 AM | #142 |
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That's just making explicit what was implicit in the JREF registration agreement. The "....By posting on the Forum a Member grants the JREF a non-exclusive licence to publish, republish or reproduce their work, in its entirety or as the JREF sees fit, in perpetuity...." With the added right for TT to transfer their licence.
(The reason for having the new right to transfer the licence is that some of the discussion is that the forum will migrate to being a community owned property probably as part of a new not-for-profit.) |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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11th September 2014, 09:12 AM | #143 |
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Because by posting in public, you're not granting a specific right for anyone to modify, adapt or create a derivative of your work. I wouldn't think so, anyway.
Okay, I understand the migration thing, thanks. It still sounds, however, like a right is being given beyond the reproduction of posts. "...create derivative works of, modify and adapt..." is the part I'm stumbling over. Is that phrase strictly necessary? |
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11th September 2014, 09:22 AM | #144 |
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11th September 2014, 10:14 AM | #145 |
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11th September 2014, 11:01 AM | #147 |
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One last thing. It would be nice to see a clause formally establishing Lisa's culpability.
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11th September 2014, 11:07 AM | #148 |
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11th September 2014, 03:43 PM | #149 |
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Copyright on content generated prior to TribeTech's hosting of the Forum remains with the member, and such content has been [blah blah...]The wording almost makes it sound like it won't be the case afterwards. In fact, nowhere in the Copyright section says what will happen with the poster's copyright after the transfer. I guess the default applies, but it would be nice to explicitly state that the copyright stays with the poster. |
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I find the cookies section a bit incomplete. There are 7 cookies currently stored in my computer, including the most important one, namely the session hash, which tracks the login status and other similar server-side information and is not mentioned. Rather than enumerating the information the cookies keep, I think it would be better to go more general in the wording, perhaps using expressions such as "including, but not limited to".
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12th September 2014, 01:45 PM | #151 |
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18th September 2014, 12:06 AM | #158 |
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