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Old 22nd April 2018, 02:53 PM   #1
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Post Personal someone of mine and what he believes in

Hello fellow skeptics. As a skeptic myself, I would like to introduce someone I know from my personal life. Most of this was extracted from conversations with him and my casual experience with him. He was in my 8-10th grade class. Not giving out names; people don't like that and I want to respect that.


What he believes are for real:

PS: some of these, thinks he can do himself or become
He is Special ( because other people told him so. No really. )
Dragons
Magic
Harry Potter
Ghosts
Elvis Conspiracy
MJ Conspiracy
Post-KPG-Dinosaurs
Superheroes ( Superhero laws too. Even though they are not any were, on the internet at least. It’s only brought up when he dismisses my attempts to make him prove his position. )
Cartoons ( I think? )
Spells
Cruses
Transformation
Power rangers ( he and his "brother" Mathew are power rangers, at least that what he says )
Half human, half alien ( think Doctor Who )
Were-x (half human half animal)
Human Genetic Modification ( Told me about injecting t-rex DNA into himself and becoming a T-rex or something. )
Spirit Animals ( Spirit of the wolf, t-rex, etc. )
Super Intelligence ( smarter than everyone.)
Super Strength (able to lift tonnes? IDK really know.)
Skylanders
Monsters
An afterlife ( remember you can believe in an afterlife and not be religious. )
Demons
Angels
Telekinetic powers ( I think? )
Digimon
Pokemon
Dimensional Travel and Dimensions ( fantasy ones, mostly . Does not specify a mechanism. This is true for most of this stuff anyway.)
Time Travel
Doctor Who
Immortality
Dimensional Agelessness ( He only ages in this realm not the other ones. )
Dimensional Forms ( His human form is in this realm. You get the idea. )
Potions
Apocalypse of mankind ( zombie, etc. Just told me Today that “there is no hope for you humans.”)
Absolute power ( able to destroy everyone, do anything he wants, etc.)
Alchemy, etc
Anything in fiction, basically. ( wouldn’t be surprised if he believe more. )

What he is elitist about ( not exactly relevant, but a nice addition ):
Music ( 80’s is the best, non-christian music is bad, etc. )
Religion ( Atheists are bad, hate god, are jealous, etc. )


What he does to dismiss questions and pulls for proof or evidence of his position:

Shifts burdens of proof ( “that's what you need to find out” He doesn’t even specify what website or place to goto to find out.)
Ad hoc ( “Its all top secret”, “superhero law”, “I can’t do that (even though I just said it), because of x or y”, etc )



What he does not believe in:

“Human” Science (I.e Real science)
“Human” Logic
“Human” Knowledge (I.e things that we can show )
“Human” Anything ( aka Anything that contradicts his beliefs)


No really. He is not a poe. He is serious about these things.

Cause hope, emotions, the future is scary, etc. Not good reasons for anyone to believe in anything.

I guess he was really indoctrinated. I bet he didn’t even learn what logic, science or how respect the fact that their music tastes, are not things to criticized. He is also the son of a pastor, specifically the Wesleyan one in Liberty Center and even when to the Creation Museum
in Cincinnati, Ohio. Also, a’lot of petty insults, such as “you know nothing about X” or making stupid faces or movements when I was asking him questions, etc. He has a brother. I don’t really know if he believes in a hell, but his brother definitely does. Both of them have ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder). Not them excuses him from believing improbable claims on little or no evidence. After all, the person that typed this post is on the spectrum and he even has friends and a girlfriend.

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Old 22nd April 2018, 03:55 PM   #2
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Spelling and grammar.........appalling. Content........none.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 03:57 PM   #3
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Ummm....you're not posting real names without permission, right?
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Old 22nd April 2018, 04:03 PM   #4
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Did he reject your advances?
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Old 22nd April 2018, 04:15 PM   #5
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Do you want me to redact it?
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Old 22nd April 2018, 04:18 PM   #6
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Not my call, but it is good form to use a pseudonym in place of real names and towns and stuff. Respecting privacy and all.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 04:20 PM   #7
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Not my call, but it is good form to use a pseudonym in place of real names and towns and stuff. Respecting privacy and all.
CSR? I'm pretty sure that's good enough.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 04:23 PM   #8
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CSR? I'm pretty sure that's good enough.
I think the name shemp is available. Just don't use real names and churches and stuff without permission. I wouldn't, anyway
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Old 22nd April 2018, 04:25 PM   #9
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Yes. He always does with ad hoc excuses.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 04:38 PM   #10
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Any reason that anyone should care about what your 'friend' thinks?
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OToTheT, I have bad news about your friend.

He's a total nerd.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 05:01 PM   #12
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He thinks I should believe what he believes. If he wants others to believe so, he should provide good reasons to. He says these things actually exist, that they are real and it is true. I will defend to my dying breath the right to say and believe in stupid things, if they say that its just their subjective opinions, not facts. But if you pontificate your beliefs around as if you have really good reasons, then you should provide those reasons.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 06:02 PM   #13
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I can see the standard credophile stuff, but what does "believes in Harry Potter" mean? He thinks it's a documentary?
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Old 22nd April 2018, 06:58 PM   #14
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The characters, the places, etc. I've heard him talk about Hermine as if she was an actual human being.
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At least nerds don't really believe that they do exist. Well the reasonable ones anyway.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 01:49 AM   #16
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OToTheT: Why not get your friend to join this forum, and then he can express, and/or defend, his views himself?
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Old 23rd April 2018, 07:07 AM   #17
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What's the point of this thread? Is it a question you wanted to ask? An argument you wanted to defend.

Also, it is quite commonplace to talk about fictional characters as if they were real people.
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You friend sounds like:

1)Someone who is a passionate consumer of pop culture who has a bit of fun telling people he himself is a superhero, magician, what-have-you

or

2)Someone with strange delusions and bizarre thought processes.

In either case, arguing with him about these things isn't going to get you anywhere. He's either running a great bit that works for him; i.e., makes him happy and gets people to interact with him, OR he's not capable of having rational thoughts about his delusions.
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Welcome to the ISF, OToTheT!

Many, if not most of us here share your consternation of friends and loved ones who believe gonzo things and gulp down appalling nonsense. My two closest friends I love persist in irrational fear mongering beliefs. One continues to insist there is an Islamic conspiracy to take over America and enforce sharia law. The other is a truther, anti-vaxer, is frightened of "chemtrails," and wastes her money on New Age naturopathic woo-woo. Of course I've spoken my peace about this stuff.

So you want to find a place were you can kvetch and find some commiseration. And here it is!

Now be warned that here we have a variety of members who hold some pretty crazy crap. And we have super sceptics who will examine you nits, But over all it's great to have a place to go where people listen to reason, and cut up a lot.
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
You friend sounds like:

1)Someone who is a passionate consumer of pop culture who has a bit of fun telling people he himself is a superhero, magician, what-have-you

or

2)Someone with strange delusions and bizarre thought processes.......
No, s/he sounds like a 5 to 10 year old, that's all.
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OToTheT: Why not get your friend to join this forum, and then he can express, and/or defend, his views himself?
Please no - advise him to see a specialist.
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I honestly don't really know which is which. Considering his defensive and hand waving attitude towards my questions, I lean towards more the latter. But if he just believes these thing just for attention, it's likely that the attitude mentioned above would be the same.
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He's 19. Im 18.
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Originally Posted by OToTheT View Post
He thinks I should believe what he believes. If he wants others to believe so, he should provide good reasons to. He says these things actually exist, that they are real and it is true. I will defend to my dying breath the right to say and believe in stupid things, if they say that its just their subjective opinions, not facts. But if you pontificate your beliefs around as if you have really good reasons, then you should provide those reasons.
True, but so what? In other words, why are you posting about this - we are all familiar with one or more nutcases but we do not tend to encourage them. Don't poke the gorillas just because they are in a cage - they can still grab and pull off limbs......human ones of course.
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Please no - advise him to see a specialist.
Or a mentalist ( or be on a mental list.......)
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He's 19. Im 18.
Tell him you are sick of his schtick, and to meet you at the pub when his mental age matches his physical age. If he continues or gets worse, have him committed.

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Welcome to the Fourum 'OToTheT'.

Since you ask, then I think that the best thing for you to do is to inform your friend that if he ever wants to have sex with an actual, real girl (a girl who has curves and bumps and everything else), then your friend needs to stop saying that he believes that:

Harry Potter is real, that
Superheroes are real, that
Doctor Who is real, that
Cartoons are real, that
Power Rangers are real, that
Half-humans/Half-aliens are real, and that
Anything in fiction is real.

I am sure that there are at least a few other things that your friend needs to do in order to get a girl friend, but this will do for a start.
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OtotheT, were you going anywhere with this, or just sharing the quirks of your friends?
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This could branch off into other things, such as the debunking of individual things on the list or a thread about crazy things that others near you believe in.
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Why not deal with it the way that friends always deal with each other? You know......."You believe WHAT?" "Don't be such a *********** idiot".
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This could branch off into other things, such as the debunking of individual things on the list or a thread about crazy things that others near you believe in.
Do a search on the site first. Anything worth debunking has probably been debunked here, likely many times, and most people don't want to go over the same ground again and again. Especially via proxy. Things like "Harry Potter is real" aren't worth debunking or discussing.

Welcome to the site, but understand that by internet standards this has been around a long time, originally as the James Randhi Educational Foundation forum and used to be linked to the famous Million Dollar Challenge. There isn't much woo that hasn't been seen here before.
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Originally Posted by OToTheT View Post
This could branch off into other things, such as the debunking of individual things on the list or a thread about crazy things that others near you believe in.
Why should anyone waste time debunking Pokemon, or anything else on your list? Seriously.

As MikeG said, tell him he's a dick and move on.
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My .02

Having a long time friend that believes every crackpot CT that anyone can come up with, you have two choices.

1. Learn how to cope with their nuttiness and enjoy their company.

2. Get the hell away from them asap.

If you believe you may have some positive effect on your friend by citing facts/science to enlighten them, forget it. My experience is that most folks with nutty ideas avoid reality like Trump avoids coherency and complete sentence.

Don't waste your energy.
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Great suggestions, but the thing is that some people actually believe this stuff. Sure, their mostly small, but I think the fact that why they do believe them, would at least be a decent discussion. Or at least be fun?

The ultimate thing here is that this the result of scientific illiteracy, desperation and childhood indoctrination. This is where they lead. Combine that with his auto-infantilization and his inability to distinguish reality from fiction and visa versa and you get a deadly combination ignorance, arrogance, Dunn-Kruger and delusion. That's the target of this thread. If this dies, it's all right. You get a front row seat of the results. Just like I did.

Besides, I like to start a thread here addressing clickbait channels surrounding the paranormal, supernatural, etc.

Our first one might be Mr. Wolf.

He uploads daily.

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Could you get into the habit of reading your posts through, maybe even out loud, before you hit the Submit button, OToTheT. That last one is garbled and full of mistakes, and it isn't the first. If you want intelligent discussion with intelligent people then you have to make your posts (and your point) intelligible.
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Can you point out some problems with my posts?
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You could start with the thread title and work down from there.
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I'm just saying this post could have been better written.

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This could branch off into other things, such as the debunking of individual things on the list or a thread about crazy things that others near you believe in.
Unlikely for obvious reasons.
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You could start with the thread title and work down from there.
This also.
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