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Old 6th March 2017, 10:06 AM   #121
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In response to NL, I honestly don't have the knowledge of animal vocalization to give an educated guess as to what animals could be howling in the audio you linked. My uneducated guess would be wolves. Like I said, I'm pretty much a city dweller but my parents told me when I was younger that animals can sound really different than you might expect. When I was a baby (too young to remember) we lived in a house up the road from a man who owned some wild animals; bears and lions if I remember correctly. My parents said that the roaring, even a mile up the road, was pretty intense.
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Old 6th March 2017, 10:41 AM   #122
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I have no thoughts one way or another on the reality or not of Bigfoots. Some of the alledged howls of this animal do not appear to match known animals. Some could be human I acknowledge. Most notably the duration of a howl is the notable variable. Bigfoot howls last longer than the growls of large wild or domestic animals. Four legged animal vocalizations are of a short duration in comparision from what I've listened to. Here's a vocalization of some animal, can anyone identify this animal? https://youtu.be/wTsdbKUwenI My guess is a bear.
If you are only interested in identifying the origin of the vocalization, then the bigfoot context adds nothing and creates doubt as to your position or intentions (rightly or wrongly).

Probably would have been more productive for you to post the vocalization to a forum with a more appropriate and specialized focus.
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Old 6th March 2017, 12:40 PM   #123
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Human beings probably account for most bigfoot howls. Then, probably stuff like fox vixens in head, bobcats in heat, wolf howls, etc. You'd need a bigfoot for bigfoot howls, and there aren't any of those.
This would be my answer. I'd say first and foremost, it's a bunch of blokes, and the odd female footer, too. Then it's the standard run of the mill animals.
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Old 6th March 2017, 12:49 PM   #124
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What Footers are unable to answer in any way whatsoever, NL has often avoided this question, is:

if Bigfoot is this amazingly stealthy creature, intelligent and savvy, able to avoid detection for seemingly thousands and thousands of years, then why on Earth does it routinely mistake the hilariously nonsensical yelling of overweight men in the woods with the supposedly unique vocalizations of its own kind?

If Bigfoot is routinely being fooled into communicating with humans, the folk that they've apparently been avoiding for...well, forever...by a simple hammering of a baseball bat on the bark of a tree, then why the hell do people like NL et al turn up here year after year with absolutely no evidence whatsoever?

Ask yourself that.


Bigfoot - highly intelligent creature who has avoided detection for thousands of years, yet he sits in the woods returning "tree-knocks" with your average weekend-warrior who spends his working-week pumping gas. Get a load of David Attenborough over here!

Bigfoot - surviving century after century without tools, fire, or clothing, avoids infra-red and stays 5 steps ahead of even the most resourceful scientist, and yet he spends his hours in the forest returning the hilariously silly yelling of the most ridiculous looking adventurists you've ever seen.

Yet we've still got no Bigfoot in any museum on this planet we call home.

Have a little think about that.
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The elusive Bigfoot, crossing semi-rural roads, raiding dumpsters in casino parking lots, and swaying back and forth on trailer park porches for 50 years.
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Old 6th March 2017, 02:27 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
What Footers are unable to answer in any way whatsoever, NL has often avoided this question, is:

if Bigfoot is this amazingly stealthy creature, intelligent and savvy, able to avoid detection for seemingly thousands and thousands of years, then why on Earth does it routinely mistake the hilariously nonsensical yelling of overweight men in the woods with the supposedly unique vocalizations of its own kind?

If Bigfoot is routinely being fooled into communicating with humans, the folk that they've apparently been avoiding for...well, forever...by a simple hammering of a baseball bat on the bark of a tree, then why the hell do people like NL et al turn up here year after year with absolutely no evidence whatsoever?

Ask yourself that.


Bigfoot - highly intelligent creature who has avoided detection for thousands of years, yet he sits in the woods returning "tree-knocks" with your average weekend-warrior who spends his working-week pumping gas. Get a load of David Attenborough over here!

Bigfoot - surviving century after century without tools, fire, or clothing, avoids infra-red and stays 5 steps ahead of even the most resourceful scientist, and yet he spends his hours in the forest returning the hilariously silly yelling of the most ridiculous looking adventurists you've ever seen.

Yet we've still got no Bigfoot in any museum on this planet we call home.

Have a little think about that.
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Old 6th March 2017, 05:51 PM   #127
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Old 6th March 2017, 06:04 PM   #128
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There are two Carolina Wrens singing. I'm not sure what the final sound is, but it's mechanical, not a bird.
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Old 6th March 2017, 06:17 PM   #129
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I've now listened to the Clippers Mills audio that Steve 001 posted. #1) Production of suspenseful intro text screams "hoax" louder than it does "bigfoot". #2) So does the "Blair Witch"-inspired dialogue . . .

As to 3) what is actually making the howling sounds, I don't hear anything that couldn't be attributed to the baying of hounds, echoing through the valley.
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Old 6th March 2017, 07:21 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
If Bigfoot is routinely being fooled into communicating with humans, the folk that they've apparently been avoiding for...well, forever...by a simple hammering of a baseball bat on the bark of a tree, then why the hell do people like NL et al turn up here year after year with absolutely no evidence whatsoever?

Ask yourself that.

Bigfoot - highly intelligent creature who has avoided detection for thousands of years, yet he sits in the woods returning "tree-knocks" with your average weekend-warrior who spends his working-week pumping gas. Get a load of David Attenborough over here!
Of course, you know what is really happening here don't you?

Your Bigfooter is exchanging tree-knocks with another Bigfooter; each one thinking he has a 'squatch at the other end of the line.
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Old 6th March 2017, 07:41 PM   #131
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Of course, you know what is really happening here don't you?

Your Bigfooter is exchanging tree-knocks with another Bigfooter; each one thinking he has a 'squatch at the other end of the line.
Yeah right unless both of them are thrill killers looking for some action.

Serial killers will casually mention that Bigfoot lover people get confused. Like you just mentioned.
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Old 6th March 2017, 09:55 PM   #132
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The individual that recorded this was provided the recorder by our group. He turned it on and left it out. He didn't even know how to download it to his computer so gave it back to us. We still have the original 20 hour file.
A classic set up job.

Footer group identifies a patsy, er, an "independent" witness, and then;
Footer group provides recording equipment.
Footer group then "analyses" said recording.
Footer group declares footie vocalisations have been recorded.

It is pure coincidence that the Footer group knows when and where recording equipment is placed.
This is such a transparent con job I'm surprised anyone would fall for it.
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Old 7th March 2017, 12:30 AM   #133
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
What Footers are unable to answer in any way whatsoever, NL has often avoided this question, is:

if Bigfoot is this amazingly stealthy creature, intelligent and savvy, able to avoid detection for seemingly thousands and thousands of years, then why on Earth does it routinely mistake the hilariously nonsensical yelling of overweight men in the woods with the supposedly unique vocalizations of its own kind?

If Bigfoot is routinely being fooled into communicating with humans, the folk that they've apparently been avoiding for...well, forever...by a simple hammering of a baseball bat on the bark of a tree, then why the hell do people like NL et al turn up here year after year with absolutely no evidence whatsoever?

Ask yourself that.


Bigfoot - highly intelligent creature who has avoided detection for thousands of years, yet he sits in the woods returning "tree-knocks" with your average weekend-warrior who spends his working-week pumping gas. Get a load of David Attenborough over here!

Bigfoot - surviving century after century without tools, fire, or clothing, avoids infra-red and stays 5 steps ahead of even the most resourceful scientist, and yet he spends his hours in the forest returning the hilariously silly yelling of the most ridiculous looking adventurists you've ever seen.

Yet we've still got no Bigfoot in any museum on this planet we call home.

Have a little think about that.
I asked this very same thing a page or two before, but everyone ignored it. Its a right popularity contest here, I tell you. Harumph.

Anyway the answer is because the idea of a 7/8 foot bipedal primate living all over America and apparently everywhere else in the world, is pure nonsense.
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I've now listened to the Clippers Mills audio that Steve 001 posted. #1) Production of suspenseful intro text screams "hoax" louder than it does "bigfoot". #2) So does the "Blair Witch"-inspired dialogue . . .

As to 3) what is actually making the howling sounds, I don't hear anything that couldn't be attributed to the baying of hounds, echoing through the valley.
I don't recall posting that audio clip. The name does not ring a bell. Are you sure I did? I don't think I posted any audio clips. I did comment that all of the clips could be other animals, or hoaxes. As for #3 I did say more than once it sounded like wolves howling slowed down somewhat. Another member posted an audio clip of wolves howling and there is a notable similarity between that audio and and the one I think you refer to.
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I don't recall posting that audio clip. The name does not ring a bell. Are you sure I did? I don't think I posted any audio clips. I did comment that all of the clips could be other animals, or hoaxes. As for #3 I did say more than once it sounded like wolves howling slowed down somewhat. Another member posted an audio clip of wolves howling and there is a notable similarity between that audio and and the one I think you refer to.
How do you arrive at the conlusion that The Shrikes comment is directed at you?
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How do you arrive at the conlusion that The Shrikes comment is directed at you?
It's not, I'm setting the record straight
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I've now listened to the Clippers Mills audio that Steve 001 postedrd
In my experience folks jump into a thread anywhere except the beginning and think they have a comprehensive understanding of what's transpired.

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It's not, I'm setting the record straight

In my experience folks jump into a thread anywhere except the beginning and think they have a comprehensive understanding of what's transpired.
Not really your actually confusing the conversation and doing exactly what you describe.....the only question is.....by accident or intentionally?

What exactly are you setting straight?
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I don't recall posting that audio clip.
You have a short memory.

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Here's a vocalization of some animal, can anyone identify this animal? https://youtu.be/wTsdbKUwenI My guess is a bear.
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You have a short memory.
My mistake. I didnt pay attention to the written introduction. I skipped to the audio. As i sai i think it is a bear.

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I asked this very same thing a page or two before, but everyone ignored it. Its a right popularity contest here, I tell you. Harumph.
Probably because it's a bigfoot FAQ.

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Anyway the answer is because the idea of a 7/8 foot bipedal primate living all over America and apparently everywhere else in the world, is pure nonsense.
Yes, it is.
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Originally Posted by philkensebben View Post
I asked this very same thing a page or two before, but everyone ignored it. Its a right popularity contest here, I tell you. Harumph.

Anyway the answer is because the idea of a 7/8 foot bipedal primate living all over America and apparently everywhere else in the world, is pure nonsense.
Don't feel bad. That question has been asked in various forms for years here and elsewhere.
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Of course, you know what is really happening here don't you?

Your Bigfooter is exchanging tree-knocks with another Bigfooter; each one thinking he has a 'squatch at the other end of the line.
That's most certainly what's happening. I'd go as far as to say that that is literally what's happening.

Picture two men on a double-date with their ladies, and each man is trying to cop a feel beneath the dinner-table, but instead of feeling their women up, they're actually mistakenly feeling each other up and thinking their ladies are returning the fire!
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I asked this very same thing a page or two before, but everyone ignored it. Its a right popularity contest here, I tell you. Harumph.

Anyway the answer is because the idea of a 7/8 foot bipedal primate living all over America and apparently everywhere else in the world, is pure nonsense.
Don't worry, I've been like a broken record asking this question for years now, and not a single Footer has ever dared to give it a shot. That's because it flies in the face of their many tangled web-strings of myth/horse-manure.

Bigfoot cannot possibly be super stealthy and highly intelligent and yet be routinely and consistently fooled by your average D+D playing bloke in camo gear tapping a baseball bat on a tree and cupping his chocolate-stained hands into a funnel to better transport the sound of his embarrassingly wookie-like yelling.

If Bigfoot was that easy to Rick-Roll, then we'd have about a dozen of them in my local museum alone.
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Originally Posted by philkensebben View Post
I asked this very same thing a page or two before, but everyone ignored it. Its a right popularity contest here, I tell you. Harumph.

Anyway the answer is because the idea of a 7/8 foot bipedal primate living all over America and apparently everywhere else in the world, is pure nonsense.
Welcome to the world of delayed posting satisfaction. Can't tell you how many times a question/thought I'd posted became relevant two weeks later when asked/suggested by the notorious somebody else. Though I've enjoyed writing something akin to "As I mentioned two weeks ago..." numerous times.

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Welcome to the world of delayed posting satisfaction. Can't tell you how many times a question/thought I'd posted became relevant two weeks later when asked/suggested by the notorious somebody else. Though I've enjoyed writing something akin to "As I mentioned two weeks ago..." numerous times.

"I didn't get a harumph outta that guy!"
I complained about people posting what I had already posted long before you did, but do I get so much as a nod and a wink? Hell, no.
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"Howlin' Foot" would be a great name for a scruffy jazz musician, or alternatively for an affliction similar to gout.
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I asked this very same thing a page or two before, but everyone ignored it. Its a right popularity contest here, I tell you. Harumph.

Anyway the answer is because the idea of a 7/8 foot bipedal primate living all over America and apparently everywhere else in the world, is pure nonsense.
Sounds like you been reverse-ninja'd!!
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By far the most important result of our bigfoot research over the years here is that bigfooters have produced an enormous mountain of evidence that they do not believe in bigfoot themselves.

All their behavior is perfectly explained by the Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Gaming (BLAARGing) model.

Playing this game does not require that you profess belief in bigfoot. In fact, the vast majority gaming us here do not. They instead play the fallacy of the golden mean, with 'footers being too radical one way, and skeptics too radical the other. So the golden mean is someone who embraces the possibility of this "unicorn" on the one hand while contradicting themselves in the most blatant way by readily agreeing unicorns, goblins, etc. do not exist.

The reward to the game is duper's delight. It really is quite fun in some people's minds to toy with others over a coy "can't prove the negative" situation.

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^^^To be fair one doesn't need to be a footer/gamer to embrace the golden mean fallacy on the subject of bigfoot. Plain ignorance can be sufficient imo. "Make haste slowly; do not be discouraged, but return to the work frequently." It can be tiresome but usefull for lurkers. I know, I have been one of them for quite a long time before joining in.

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Old 9th March 2017, 04:39 AM   #152
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
"Howlin' Foot" would be a great name for a scruffy jazz musician, or alternatively for an affliction similar to gout.
Or not changing your socks often enough.
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Old 9th March 2017, 05:41 AM   #153
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot View Post
By far the most important result of our bigfoot research over the years here is that bigfooters have produced an enormous mountain of evidence that they do not believe in bigfoot themselves.

All their behavior is perfectly explained by the Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Gaming (BLAARGing) model.

Playing this game does not require that you profess belief in bigfoot. In fact, the vast majority gaming us here do not. They instead play the fallacy of the golden mean, with 'footers being too radical one way, and skeptics too radical the other. So the golden mean is someone who embraces the possibility of this "unicorn" on the one hand while contradicting themselves in the most blatant way by readily agreeing unicorns, goblins, etc. do not exist.

The reward to the game is duper's delight. It really is quite fun in some people's minds to toy with others over a coy "can't prove the negative" situation.

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Bravo! My sentiments as well, the thing that attracted me to this fourm was you didn't have to dance around calling someone out, be they a footer or a disingenuous poster.

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Old 9th March 2017, 05:55 AM   #154
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot View Post
By far the most important result of our bigfoot research over the years here is that bigfooters have produced an enormous mountain of evidence that they do not believe in bigfoot themselves.

All their behavior is perfectly explained by the Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Gaming (BLAARGing) model.

Playing this game does not require that you profess belief in bigfoot. In fact, the vast majority gaming us here do not. They instead play the fallacy of the golden mean, with 'footers being too radical one way, and skeptics too radical the other. So the golden mean is someone who embraces the possibility of this "unicorn" on the one hand while contradicting themselves in the most blatant way by readily agreeing unicorns, goblins, etc. do not exist.

The reward to the game is duper's delight. It really is quite fun in some people's minds to toy with others over a coy "can't prove the negative" situation.

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