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Old 15th January 2018, 12:07 PM   #321
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Old 15th January 2018, 12:15 PM   #322
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Meanwhile, the writing I described in the light of Quran, how the universes were created simultaneously/together:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html

And described in the verses I mentioned in my study; The event that the stars do light/flame shots can now be explored/viewed in this link:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...475783632/ph2/

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8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.



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6. We have indeed decked the lower universe with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.
https://www.galaxymonitor.com/hubble...shooting-star/
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Old 15th January 2018, 12:19 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Not at all. He posted verses from the Quran talking about stars that pursue rebels who steal Imperial secrets, and blast fire at them.

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The stars are not following them. Their fire/light cannons are following them.

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Old 15th January 2018, 12:56 PM   #324
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The stars are not following them. Their fire/light cannons are following them.

Okay, so more like Starkiller Base than the Death Star, then.

Even better. The Quran foretold centuries ago that there would be a third Star Wars trilogy.
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Old 15th January 2018, 01:12 PM   #325
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Okay, so more like Starkiller Base than the Death Star, then.

Even better. The Quran foretold centuries ago that there would be a third Star Wars trilogy.
Then, is this for "the miracles continue" thread or for the "Quran and Holliwood" thread?
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Old 17th January 2018, 07:29 AM   #326
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Writer Texe Marrs is talking about the reasons for the Egyptian pharaohs ' obsession in bringing the legs and arms diagonally to the position:

İn ancient Egypt, the mark of "X" and the symbol of cross-bones in the symbol of an X was very prominent in religious contexts. You can find the X on the walls of a number of ancient Egyptians temples and pyramids... It is the sign of Osiris, the great sun God..
The ancient pharaohs, when they were buried, had the legs crossed in the form of "X" as a sign of devotion to Osiris.''

Codex Magica (Texe Marrs)

The X-mark in Pagan Egyptian religion is the cross-mark was holy:

These ancient Egyptian figures demonstrate how prevalent was Osiris' sacred sign, "X."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...x_69_small.jpg

The mummy of Rameses the Great (1279-1213 B.C.) was found in this cedarwood sarcophagus. This pharaoh is thought by Egyptologists to be the ruler who enslaved the Israelites and forced them to build cities.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...x_70_small.jpg

Painting from the Tomb of Rameses I, Valley of the Kings, West Thebes, in Egypt.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so.../ccodex_97.jpg

The identity of the legends is also confirmed by this hieroglyphic picture, copied from an ancient Egyptian monument, which may also enlighten you as to the Lion's grip and the Master's gavel.


Codex Magica

TEXE MARRS


This may explain why the pharaoh in the past has been talking about a crossing of limbs and arms as a threat.

Quran 20:63 They said, "These are but two magicians who want to take you out of your land with their magic, and they want to do away with your ideal way.

Quran 20:64 "So agree upon your scheme, then come as one front. Whoever wins today will succeed."

Quran 20:65 They said, "O Moses, either you cast down or we will be the first to cast down."

Quran 20:66 He said, "No, you cast down." So their ropes and staffs appeared from their magic as if they were moving.

Quran 20:67 Moses held some fear in himself.

Quran 20:68 We said, "Do not fear, you will best them."

Quran 20:69 "Cast down what is in your right hand; it will consume what they have made. They have only made the work of a magician, and the magician will not succeed no matter what he does."

Quran 20:70 So the magicians went down in prostration. They said, "We acknowledge the Lord of Aaron and Moses."

Quran 20:71 He said, "Have you acknowledged him before taking my permission? He is surely your great one who has taught you magic. So, I will cut off your hands and feet from alternate sides/crosswise, and I will crucify you on the trunks of the palm trees, and you will come to know which of us is greater in retribution and more lasting!"

Quran 20:72 They said, "We will not prefer you over the proofs that have come to us, and over the One who initiated us. So issue whatever judgment you have, for you only issue judgment in this worldly life."

This crossover mark was blessed in the pagan Egyptian religion, and so was especially the rituals of cross arms and legs.


The tradition of holding arms and legs in position X can also be seen in other pagan applications around the world. For example, Hindus cross the legs while meditating in the Far East.

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For this reason, the known forces in the world often use the X/crosswise sign as well as the pyramids and single eye signs from the Egyptians.

It gives us a better understanding, of why they using today, the X-mark alongside the pyramid and one-eye markers.

And the Quran only religious source that gave the knowledge, they make cross the feet and arms in the Egyptian civilization.

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In past , the assailants killed the Muslims, pulled them out of their vatas, or cut them in cross/X shape.

In the past, other spiritualist pagans, such as Pharaoh, did the same.

And this verse about self defense and retaliation.

Quran 5:33 The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger and seek to corrupt the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off on alternate sides/crosswise or that they be banished from the land. That is a disgrace for them in this world. In the Hereafter, they will have a great retribution.

In short, crossing is about self defense and retaliation to attacker pagans (Who cuts the Muslims in X shape).

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And the Quran only religious source that gave the knowledge, they make cross the feet and arms in the Egyptian civilization.

That's right. You never see any mention of any crosses at all in the Bible or in Christianity.

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The mummy of Rameses the Great (1279-1213 B.C.) was found in this cedarwood sarcophagus. This pharaoh is thought by Egyptologists to be the ruler who enslaved the Israelites and forced them to build cities.
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Egyptologists think that? I thought the evidence Egyptologists possess contains no evidence that the Israelites were ever enslaved in Egypt at all.
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Egyptologists think that? I thought the evidence Egyptologists possess contains no evidence that the Israelites were ever enslaved in Egypt at all.
It's Emre and his botched version of the Quran agains the Truth.

Emre just takes the guitar and plays, and plays and plays.
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Of course, when egypt followed the true gods like Osiris and Set they were a world power for roughly three millennia.
Egypt under false gods (greek/roman/christian/islam) has been a puppet state for the rest of the time. Yet one more reason to forgo the false new religions.
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Quran 5:33 The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger and seek to corrupt the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off on alternate sides/crosswise or that they be banished from the land. That is a disgrace for them in this world. In the Hereafter, they will have a great retribution.
What evil trash from the Quran. Do you really think this barbaric cruelty is the will of God?

As for Moses, I don't believe there are any credible Egyptian records that he even existed. Let alone parted the red sea and all the other bible bunk.
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There's no one else named Joshua.

He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.
Citation Needed.

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Wow that is some list!

Thankfully I am not a partaker in any of this, not even a fortune cooky, so I don't need redemption. Thank the lord.
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Wow that is some list!

Thankfully I am not a partaker in any of this, not even a fortune cooky, so I don't need redemption. Thank the lord.
They stupildly missed out Tea leaves and, or coffee grains not to mention that throwing up sticks in the air and see how they land.

Based on that, I cannot take their argument seriously.
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2:102 They followed what the devils recited regarding Solomon's kingship. Solomon did not reject, but it was the devils that rejected by teaching people magic and what was sent down on the two controllers in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They would not teach anyone until they would say, "We are a test, so do not be unappreciative!" Thus, they teach what can separate a person from his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except by God's permission. They learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such a thing has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they traded themselves with; if only they knew!

38:40 He has deserved a near position with Us, and a wonderful abode.

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