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28th July 2008, 07:37 PM | #241 |
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We need a FAQ for this stuff since it gets answered every single day and people don't bother to search. The WTC 7 wasn't mentioned in the 9/11 commission report because the goal of the report was to find out what happened that day and to find ways to prevent it from happening again. So as common sense would dictate, the collapse of WTC7 wasn't really in the scope of the report since it was collateral damage. It wasn't intentionally attacked like the other buildings and instead collapsed as a side effect, just like every single building in the WTC lot was destroyed in the process as well and you won't see the 9/11 commission report on each one. It's not their job and there are proper groups such as NIST to deal with such things.
The collapse of WTC 7 not only is not "not" shown on TV since, It's shown on TV on a regular basis. I see it all the time. Why would you think that it has never been shown on TV again? Is it because that's what some cult tabloid told you? And do you not watch TV at all ever? Clearly that unnswered question of yours is absolutely absurd. Because even if it was true (which is about as legitimate a claim as saying the moon is made of cheese), it would in no way shape or form have any influence on how the building fell. I am sure there are many MANY silly and absurd questions. |
29th July 2008, 02:47 PM | #242 |
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Keep apologizing for the lies and deceit of the Bush administration, that will get this country far.
There is no reason not to mention the third building at all. No reason. They want to pretend like it never happened. They stopped talking about it, they stopped showing it on the news, they never explained it. |
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29th July 2008, 02:55 PM | #244 |
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30th July 2008, 08:35 AM | #251 |
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That's what apologists do papasmurf.
If Official Story bigotry is what you are into, than this is the central headquarters. If you want a serious open minded discussion, I suggest you try here; http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/index/ MM |
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By open minded he means quote mining and using conjecture to replace hard evidence and using youtube videos made by teens to reject real experts. By open minded he means replacing scientific method with speculation and hearsay. If that's what you're looking for than yes, those cult tabloid boards are a perfect fit.
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30th July 2008, 08:48 AM | #254 |
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And they left out prom night too! How could they overlook that? What possible reason could they have for not covering the prom? There's absolutely no reason for it at all.
Oh and BTW, if they stopped showing it on the news, how come I see it on TV just about every week? And ya know, they stopped showing the JFK assassination on the news too. Guess that proves it's an inside job eh? In fact I guess anything that isn't constantly repeated every day on the news must be an inside job. How can we not have every news event in history re-covered every night throughout the rest of time? What's with this "new" stuff being aired?? |
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Well, did they mention the Marriot, Building 5 or 6 or any others damaged or collapsing on that day as has been asked?
Why should they mention WTC7? Your only hope is that you keep convincing yourself that everyone here is a Bush lover and this is what keeps us believing what you think is lies. If you actually start to realise that the majority here have no love for Mr Bush and also are not even american you will see that you have one less arrow in your ad hom sling and one less comfort blanket. You've been duped by some very stupid ignorant liars. Are people who lie like papasmurf what you want to be involved in your TM? |
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Ok friends, here's a little levity for you: My latest video, Episode 1 of the 9-11 Looney Conspiracy Theories Show, wrapped in another 'Trojan Horse' title 'WTC7 Jones Finally Admits No Freefall!!' (Another poke at David Chandler....of course!)
Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NJV-G496T4 |
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for anyone who may have missed alienentity's new vid. Check it out.
And thanks alienentity. |
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A firefighters first job is to go in and fight the fire. That is what they did with the towers. There were problems from the start though. First was the size of the buildings and the task of getting equipment and manpower up to the fire floors. Next was the lack of water, so the immediate job then is to try to get water. Compounding this is the fact that these were multi-level fires that were all large scale fires and all started at the same time with a massive amount of accellerant. (a situation rarely, if ever experienced before anywhere) then there was the communications problems, firefighters were reporting conditions but there was a muddle in trying to get all that info to the people who needed to know. A FF can report a local floor failure but if the central communications cannot make sure that multiple reports of such events are getting to the Commanders then neither the individual FF's or the Commanders will be aware that things are goig very badly. In fact the Police Command ordered all of their officers out of the building and some fire commanders did the same. Others though never got the word even though others from their own station did and some commanders never got the word from the Police that the structure was failing. furthermore some FF's refused orders to evacuate.
In the case of the north tower though, with the obvious possiblity of similar collapse FF's did evacuate. Fire fighters did not need their Commanders to say that the building 'could' collapse, that much was patently obvious, and thus they would be on their toes waiting to hear an evac order one would expect. Still, fire fighters are known for bravery and drive to assist others in such situations. IIRC there were instances of FF's staying with disabled persons or others who were slower moving and in need of assistance rather than evacuate themselves as quickly as possible. In WTC 7, with the building already evacuated of civilians, with the knowledge that there was little in the way of FF'ting that could be done all FF's were ordered out and all left. The building was watched closely, measurements were done that indicated that the structure was unstable and a collapse zone perimeter was set up in case it too collapsed. A prudent step to take in hindsight. ETA: removed comment that may well have been removed by the mods anyway |
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Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
Wow, this one's old. *LOL* |
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That was after 11 hours, and even then, they stated that the FIRE DAMAGED floors MIGHT PANCAKE. Sounds resonable to me. What happened in WTC7 bears no resemblance to that scenario. The whole building fell like a house of cards, not a pancaking of the fire damaged floors. In WTC 7, its as if the lower floors all ceased to exist at exactly the same time. Thanks for posting something sensible, which has zero to do with the unsensable out and out collapse of WTC 7. |
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Of course anyone who has seen the full collapse progression and not selected sections would know that this is not the case. And there's no reason to expect the collapse to have progressed in the same fashion as the twin towers or prior examples because of both its design and circumstances. The initiation mechanisms between WTC 7 and the twin towers were different and therefore the collapse as expected progressed differently. It's not rocket science. What you describe as completely "insensible out and out" was a progressive collapse. Whether this was a "first" to result in a total catastrophic failure or not makes no difference, the general principal is the same, structural failure isn't new...
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I sense your keen understanding of physics, building collapse and building performance allows you to make this statement.
But I'm a "show, don't tell" kind a guy. Could you please offer a technical treatise on why "their" "excuses" were "lame" and why "[T]hey fail at that horribly[.]"? Don't spare the deep technical language, mathematical and physical principles or complex formulas and calculations. I can handle it. Thanks in advance. |
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Christopher 7 has done an excellent job of pointing out the idiocy of the OCT regarding building 7, i suggest you read some of his posts regarding the matter and gain an education. He does an excellent jopb of pointing out all the lies, deceit, and rubbish the report poses.
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In other words, you don't know.
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. And for the record, I have read at least most of what C7 has published and all of it is conjecture and uneducated speculation based on other peoples conjecture and speculation. Gain an education? Hehe. Good one. |
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'Now we find out that WTC7 was designed and constructed with a very unusual technique to insure complete structural integrity even if whole floors were removed. It was one of the most structurally redundant buildings ever built in the history of steel structures.'
http://tyrannyalert.com/wtc7solution.htm The Strength of WTC7 |
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*Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together *A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal' |
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