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Old 28th July 2008, 07:37 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by papasmurf View Post
I find many statements about sound of collapse, the opinions of demolition experts, and the nature of the collapse that contradict what you have said in this analysis:

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html

Thought you might be interested.

Why was WTC 7 never mentioned in the commission report?

Why was it's collapse never again aired on TV after 9/11?

So many unanswered questions....

I can't wait for the NIST report that comes out next month. How about you?
We need a FAQ for this stuff since it gets answered every single day and people don't bother to search. The WTC 7 wasn't mentioned in the 9/11 commission report because the goal of the report was to find out what happened that day and to find ways to prevent it from happening again. So as common sense would dictate, the collapse of WTC7 wasn't really in the scope of the report since it was collateral damage. It wasn't intentionally attacked like the other buildings and instead collapsed as a side effect, just like every single building in the WTC lot was destroyed in the process as well and you won't see the 9/11 commission report on each one. It's not their job and there are proper groups such as NIST to deal with such things.

The collapse of WTC 7 not only is not "not" shown on TV since, It's shown on TV on a regular basis. I see it all the time. Why would you think that it has never been shown on TV again? Is it because that's what some cult tabloid told you? And do you not watch TV at all ever? Clearly that unnswered question of yours is absolutely absurd. Because even if it was true (which is about as legitimate a claim as saying the moon is made of cheese), it would in no way shape or form have any influence on how the building fell.

I am sure there are many MANY silly and absurd questions.
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Old 29th July 2008, 02:47 PM   #242
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Keep apologizing for the lies and deceit of the Bush administration, that will get this country far.

There is no reason not to mention the third building at all. No reason. They want to pretend like it never happened. They stopped talking about it, they stopped showing it on the news, they never explained it.
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Old 29th July 2008, 02:54 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by papasmurf View Post
Keep apologizing for the lies and deceit of the Bush administration, that will get this country far.

There is no reason not to mention the third building at all. No reason. They want to pretend like it never happened. They stopped talking about it, they stopped showing it on the news, they never explained it.
Really? There was no reason to include 7 since it was not attacked, nor did anybody die. So, why don't you give us your "expert" opinion as to why it should have been included in the 9/11 Commission report.
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Old 29th July 2008, 02:55 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by papasmurf View Post
Keep apologizing for the lies and deceit of the Bush administration, that will get this country far.
Keep apologizing for these Islamic fundamentalists who want to bring the world back to the stone age.
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Old 29th July 2008, 02:57 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by Jonnyclueless View Post
The collapse of WTC 7 not only is not "not" shown on TV since, It's shown on TV on a regular basis. I see it all the time. Why would you think that it has never been shown on TV again? Is it because that's what some cult tabloid told you? And do you not watch TV at all ever? Clearly that unnswered question of yours is absolutely absurd. Because even if it was true (which is about as legitimate a claim as saying the moon is made of cheese), it would in no way shape or form have any influence on how the building fell.


Originally Posted by papasmurf View Post
There is no reason not to mention the third building at all. No reason. They want to pretend like it never happened. They stopped talking about it, they stopped showing it on the news, they never explained it.

Wow, your comprehension skills are FREAKIN' AWESOME!!
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Originally Posted by papasmurf View Post
Keep apologizing for the lies and deceit of the Bush administration, that will get this country far.

There is no reason not to mention the third building at all. No reason. They want to pretend like it never happened. They stopped talking about it, they stopped showing it on the news, they never explained it.
Should we investigate and indite the towers (WTC 1/2) for falling on the building (WTC 7).
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Old 29th July 2008, 03:04 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
Should we investigate and indite the towers (WTC 1/2) for falling on the building (WTC 7).
I think it was mostly the north tower.
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Originally Posted by Pardalis View Post
I think it was mostly the north tower.
Lynch the bastard!!!!!!
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Old 29th July 2008, 03:12 PM   #249
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Lynch the bastard!!!!!!
I see you're prejudiced against things from the north.
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Old 29th July 2008, 11:26 PM   #250
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Originally Posted by papasmurf View Post
Keep apologizing for the lies and deceit of the Bush administration, that will get this country far.

There is no reason not to mention the third building at all. No reason. They want to pretend like it never happened. They stopped talking about it, they stopped showing it on the news, they never explained it.

Building seven was a property loss. Nothing more. No one was killed in it. It was collateral damage from the target buildings which were the towers. Did the commission address the Marriott? building six? how about five?
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Old 30th July 2008, 08:35 AM   #251
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Originally Posted by papasmurf View Post
Keep apologizing for the lies and deceit of the Bush administration, that will get this country far.

There is no reason not to mention the third building at all. No reason. They want to pretend like it never happened. They stopped talking about it, they stopped showing it on the news, they never explained it.
That's what apologists do papasmurf.

If Official Story bigotry is what you are into, than this is
the central headquarters.

If you want a serious open minded discussion, I suggest you try here;
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/index/

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Old 30th July 2008, 08:40 AM   #252
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
If you want a serious open minded discussion, I suggest you try here;
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/index/
Yes...please go there. Their minds are so open their brains fell out but you'll be safe since you apparently have no brain.
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Old 30th July 2008, 08:43 AM   #253
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
That's what apologists do papasmurf.

If Official Story bigotry is what you are into, than this is
the central headquarters.

If you want a serious open minded discussion, I suggest you try here;
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/index/

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By open minded he means quote mining and using conjecture to replace hard evidence and using youtube videos made by teens to reject real experts. By open minded he means replacing scientific method with speculation and hearsay. If that's what you're looking for than yes, those cult tabloid boards are a perfect fit.

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Old 30th July 2008, 08:48 AM   #254
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Originally Posted by papasmurf View Post
Keep apologizing for the lies and deceit of the Bush administration, that will get this country far.

There is no reason not to mention the third building at all. No reason. They want to pretend like it never happened. They stopped talking about it, they stopped showing it on the news, they never explained it.
And they left out prom night too! How could they overlook that? What possible reason could they have for not covering the prom? There's absolutely no reason for it at all.

Oh and BTW, if they stopped showing it on the news, how come I see it on TV just about every week? And ya know, they stopped showing the JFK assassination on the news too. Guess that proves it's an inside job eh? In fact I guess anything that isn't constantly repeated every day on the news must be an inside job. How can we not have every news event in history re-covered every night throughout the rest of time? What's with this "new" stuff being aired??
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
That's what apologists do papasmurf.

If Official Story bigotry is what you are into, than this is
the central headquarters.

If you want a serious open minded discussion, I suggest you try here;
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/index/

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Well, did they mention the Marriot, Building 5 or 6 or any others damaged or collapsing on that day as has been asked?

Why should they mention WTC7?

Your only hope is that you keep convincing yourself that everyone here is a Bush lover and this is what keeps us believing what you think is lies. If you actually start to realise that the majority here have no love for Mr Bush and also are not even american you will see that you have one less arrow in your ad hom sling and one less comfort blanket.

You've been duped by some very stupid ignorant liars. Are people who lie like papasmurf what you want to be involved in your TM?
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Old 11th March 2009, 10:34 PM   #256
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Ok friends, here's a little levity for you: My latest video, Episode 1 of the 9-11 Looney Conspiracy Theories Show, wrapped in another 'Trojan Horse' title 'WTC7 Jones Finally Admits No Freefall!!' (Another poke at David Chandler....of course!)

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NJV-G496T4
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Old 12th March 2009, 02:07 PM   #257
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for anyone who may have missed alienentity's new vid. Check it out.

And thanks alienentity.
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Old 12th March 2009, 02:26 PM   #258
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Originally Posted by R.Mackey View Post
"Gradually crippling" is inconsistent with your claims that the structure all failed simultaneously. Therefore, according to you, this scenario should also result in a highly asymmetric collapse.

This is false. Building collapses of this magnitude are expected to be total, and rapid, without exception. See Appendix B of my whitepaper; see also comments in this thread (I think around Page 8) where I answer several questions regarding the evolution and failure of WTC 7.

ETA: I was way off -- the WTC 7 specific part of that discussion begins on Page 14, with my first response of interest at Post #539.
No they arent....

Otherwise why would trained and experienced firefighters be way up in a building and got caught(and died)fighting smallish fires.
If they had even a small inkling the building was going to come down, they would never had gone up there.......(WTC)
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No they arent....

Otherwise why would trained and experienced firefighters be way up in a building and got caught(and died)fighting smallish fires.
If they had even a small inkling the building was going to come down, they would never had gone up there.......(WTC)
A firefighters first job is to go in and fight the fire. That is what they did with the towers. There were problems from the start though. First was the size of the buildings and the task of getting equipment and manpower up to the fire floors. Next was the lack of water, so the immediate job then is to try to get water. Compounding this is the fact that these were multi-level fires that were all large scale fires and all started at the same time with a massive amount of accellerant. (a situation rarely, if ever experienced before anywhere) then there was the communications problems, firefighters were reporting conditions but there was a muddle in trying to get all that info to the people who needed to know. A FF can report a local floor failure but if the central communications cannot make sure that multiple reports of such events are getting to the Commanders then neither the individual FF's or the Commanders will be aware that things are goig very badly. In fact the Police Command ordered all of their officers out of the building and some fire commanders did the same. Others though never got the word even though others from their own station did and some commanders never got the word from the Police that the structure was failing. furthermore some FF's refused orders to evacuate.

In the case of the north tower though, with the obvious possiblity of similar collapse FF's did evacuate. Fire fighters did not need their Commanders to say that the building 'could' collapse, that much was patently obvious, and thus they would be on their toes waiting to hear an evac order one would expect. Still, fire fighters are known for bravery and drive to assist others in such situations. IIRC there were instances of FF's staying with disabled persons or others who were slower moving and in need of assistance rather than evacuate themselves as quickly as possible.


In WTC 7, with the building already evacuated of civilians, with the knowledge that there was little in the way of FF'ting that could be done all FF's were ordered out and all left. The building was watched closely, measurements were done that indicated that the structure was unstable and a collapse zone perimeter was set up in case it too collapsed. A prudent step to take in hindsight.

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No they arent....

Otherwise why would trained and experienced firefighters be way up in a building and got caught(and died)fighting smallish fires.
If they had even a small inkling the building was going to come down, they would never had gone up there.......(WTC)
Fires in building seven were not fought. Nor did any firefighters die in building seven.
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ETA: removed comment that may well have been removed by the mods anyway
Oh yea...if I had a dollar for every time I did that...
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Holy thread necromancy, Batman!

Wow, this one's old. *LOL*
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Holy thread necromancy, Batman!

Wow, this one's old. *LOL*
Hey!

Oh, you meant the thread.

All righty then...
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Hey!

Oh, you meant the thread.

All righty then...
I had the same short lived sense of umbrage.
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Fires in building seven were not fought. Nor did any firefighters die in building seven.
I said Wtc..you must have missed that.
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I said Wtc..you must have missed that.
The thread title is wtc7...you must have missed that.
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You read that wrong, you failed to grasp the meaning and have made up a lie. The part did not say collapse was highly improbable, try again. Try quoting things right! You may learn how to understand what the quote really means is not what you think it is.

Changing meaning is not good.

Fire it destroys steel strength, see, and this fire was fought, WTC7 WAS NOT FOUGHT.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...eridiansag.jpg
Fire makes steel fail, quickly. This fire was fought! But…



What was different in WTC7.


Lack of knowledge, false information, and lies are the standard characteristics of 9/11 truth. I expect people would study 9/11 before picking the losing side.

That was after 11 hours, and even then, they stated that the FIRE DAMAGED floors MIGHT PANCAKE. Sounds resonable to me.
What happened in WTC7 bears no resemblance to that scenario.

The whole building fell like a house of cards, not a pancaking of the fire damaged floors.
In WTC 7, its as if the lower floors all ceased to exist at exactly the same time.

Thanks for posting something sensible, which has zero to do with the unsensable out and out collapse of WTC 7.
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Holy thread necromancy, Batman!

Wow, this one's old. *LOL*
In the future, maybe we can start a new thread and link to the old one. It's a bit awkward continuing a thread almost a year later. The OP hasn't even posted since last July.
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That was after 11 hours, and even then, they stated that the FIRE DAMAGED floors MIGHT PANCAKE. Sounds resonable to me.
What happened in WTC7 bears no resemblance to that scenario.

The whole building fell like a house of cards, not a pancaking of the fire damaged floors.
In WTC 7, its as if the lower floors all ceased to exist at exactly the same time.
Thanks for posting something sensible, which has zero to do with the unsensable out and out collapse of WTC 7.
Of course anyone who has seen the full collapse progression and not selected sections would know that this is not the case. And there's no reason to expect the collapse to have progressed in the same fashion as the twin towers or prior examples because of both its design and circumstances. The initiation mechanisms between WTC 7 and the twin towers were different and therefore the collapse as expected progressed differently. It's not rocket science. What you describe as completely "insensible out and out" was a progressive collapse. Whether this was a "first" to result in a total catastrophic failure or not makes no difference, the general principal is the same, structural failure isn't new...

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That was after 11 hours, and even then, they stated that the FIRE DAMAGED floors MIGHT PANCAKE. Sounds resonable to me.
What happened in WTC7 bears no resemblance to that scenario.

The whole building fell like a house of cards, not a pancaking of the fire damaged floors.
In WTC 7, its as if the lower floors all ceased to exist at exactly the same time.

Thanks for posting something sensible, which has zero to do with the unsensable out and out collapse of WTC 7.
You have yet to demonstrate that you've read the NIST report on WTC 7, much less understood it.
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You have yet to demonstrate that you've read the NIST report on WTC 7, much less understood it.
I have read their lame excuses to try and justify the demolition of the building as fire induced. They fail at that horribly.
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I have read their lame excuses to try and justify the demolition of the building as fire induced. They fail at that horribly.
I sense your keen understanding of physics, building collapse and building performance allows you to make this statement.

But I'm a "show, don't tell" kind a guy. Could you please offer a technical treatise on why "their" "excuses" were "lame" and why "[T]hey fail at that horribly[.]"? Don't spare the deep technical language, mathematical and physical principles or complex formulas and calculations. I can handle it.

Thanks in advance.

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I have read their lame excuses to try and justify the demolition of the building as fire induced. They fail at that horribly.
NVM - Mince put it better then me. I look forward, roundhead, to your analysis.
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Old 13th March 2009, 12:35 PM   #274
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Originally Posted by Mince View Post
I sense your keen understanding of physics, building collapse and building performance allows you to make this statement.

But I'm a "show, don't tell" guy. Could you please offer a technical treatise on why "their" "excuses" were "lame" and why "[T]hey fail at that horribly[.]"? Don't spare the deep technical language, mathematical and physical principles or complex formulas and calculations. I can handle it.

Thanks in advance.
Christopher 7 has done an excellent job of pointing out the idiocy of the OCT regarding building 7, i suggest you read some of his posts regarding the matter and gain an education. He does an excellent jopb of pointing out all the lies, deceit, and rubbish the report poses.
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Old 13th March 2009, 12:40 PM   #275
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Originally Posted by roundhead View Post
Christopher 7 has done an excellent job of pointing out the idiocy of the OCT regarding building 7, i suggest you read some of his posts regarding the matter and gain an education. He does an excellent jopb of pointing out all the lies, deceit, and rubbish the report poses.
In other words, you don't know.

Thank you for confirming my suspicions.

And for the record, I have read at least most of what C7 has published and all of it is conjecture and uneducated speculation based on other peoples conjecture and speculation.

Gain an education? Hehe. Good one.
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Old 13th March 2009, 01:31 PM   #276
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Originally Posted by roundhead View Post
Christopher 7 has done an excellent job of pointing out the idiocy of the OCT regarding building 7, i suggest you read some of his posts regarding the matter and gain an education. He does an excellent jopb of pointing out all the lies, deceit, and rubbish the report poses.
Since you are simply parroting work by Chris, maybe you give him appropriate credit and not pretend you are the one doing the "thinking", as you do here:
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I have read their lame excuses to try and justify the demolition of the building as fire induced. They fail at that horribly.
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'Now we find out that WTC7 was designed and constructed with a very unusual technique to insure complete structural integrity even if whole floors were removed. It was one of the most structurally redundant buildings ever built in the history of steel structures.'
http://tyrannyalert.com/wtc7solution.htm The Strength of WTC7
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'Now we find out that WTC7 was designed and constructed with a very unusual technique to insure complete structural integrity even if whole floors were removed. It was one of the most structurally redundant buildings ever built in the history of steel structures.'
http://tyrannyalert.com/wtc7solution.htm The Strength of WTC7
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Essentially, Salomon is constructing a building within a building - and it's an occupied building, which complicates the situation,'' said John D. Spassoff, a district manager of Silverstein Properties.
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old news
An oldie but a goodie.lol

http://tyrannyalert.com/wtc7solution.htm Repost
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Old 13th March 2009, 04:10 PM   #280
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An oldie but a goodie.lol

http://tyrannyalert.com/wtc7solution.htm Repost
Fire destroys steel and 911Truth is delusional. That is old stuff.
Why do you lack evidence to support your 911Truth delusions?
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