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13th March 2009, 04:48 PM | #281 |
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14th March 2009, 03:40 AM | #282 |
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If WTC7 WAS actually pre-rigged with explosives/incendiaries, does that tell us anything significant apart from the Twin Towers and WTC7 having something else in common other than the unexpected collapses ?. No ?. Well what did they have that was different ? The outstanding difference has to be that Seven was not hit by a plane.
Suppose you square the circle by speculating that WTC7 was SUPPOSED to have been hit by a plane but that it didn't happen for some reason. ? |
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14th March 2009, 03:52 AM | #283 |
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That sure is a dumb statement. You don’t understand 911 so you make up delusions about it. Why do you want to apologize for terrorist by making up lies?
The big difference is WTC7 burned for how long? With you vast lack of research and knowledge, an un-fought office building fire does what? Destroys the building. On 911 WTC7 fire systems had no water to fight the fire, the firemen had suffered many deaths, and they did not fight the fire in WTC7. Many building have been destroyed by fire, you choose to support the idiotic ideas of 911Truth instead of learning about structures, fires, and steel; you ignore evidence and skip finding knowledge. Good luck with your delusions as you disrespect everyone who died on 911 by making excuses for terrorists with not a single piece of evidence or from a position of knowledge. And you blame other people for the work of terrorist; you blame people you can’t name for what terrorists did. Good for you! You were the target of terrorist and now you gladly apologize for them. No blast effect, no thermite products, no real clue from 911Truth with zero evidence a bleak future for the kool-aid drinking 911Truth believers. Why do you lack evidence? There comes a time when your apologizes for terrorist become betrayal – now. |
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14th March 2009, 09:37 AM | #284 |
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There are some bits and pieces that support the notion of a third plane in New York on 9/11. Even the fact that the EOM in WTC7 was empty of people but had still steaming coffee and half-eaten sandwiches on the desks when Barry Jennings got there around 9 am may mean that the occupants rushed away thinking that the second plane was about to hit WTC7 nstead of the second Tower. People usually finish their coffee or sandwich even if they are in a hurry. This sounds more like a panic evcuation.
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14th March 2009, 09:44 AM | #285 |
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No....the coffee and sandwiches were still fresh. Why would you say that they were stale ? What a peculiar thing to say. Coffee that still has steam coming off it is hot and fresh, so we can assume that the half-eaten sandwiches were just as fresh. Even if omebody has to run for a train or something they will usually finish their andwich on the hoof, but maybe not if they thought they were running for their life to escape a plane they had been told was about to crash into the building.
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14th March 2009, 10:10 AM | #287 |
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Interesting the roundhead acknowledges firefighter training and experience when it suits his argument, but will reject the fact that not a single firefighter on the scene at WTC7 supports the position that anything other than fire or damage caused that building to collapse.
I guess at WTC7 all that training and experience went out the window. But then again, roundhead has characterized the FDNY as a bunch of cowards, so I'm not sure how much credence we should give his opinions on firefighters. |
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14th March 2009, 10:38 AM | #289 |
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I didn't say it did. Speculation....remember ? But just think how neat it could all have been ? Three buildings , three planes and no messing about like being unexpectedly forced nto perfrming a controlled demolition of WTC7....and making such a mess of it that it's still likely to hang the perpetrators of 9/11.
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This video opens with a smoke generator that was caught on video in WTC2 I believe. The video moves on through all three collapses ending with the demise of WTC7. Note that when Seven collapses a crack appears momentarily on the North face running vertically for many floors. This looks exactly as if a portion of the support structure inside did not fall away or burn through quite quickly enough causing the crack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY all 3 buildings |
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14th March 2009, 12:16 PM | #292 |
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Coffee Cups and sandwiches and the delusiuons of Troofer Morons
Sometimes when I leave the house I forget to grab my coffee travel mug and leave it on the top of the newell post of the stairs. This alarms my wife when she gets home because clearly that must mean theres a plane gonna hit my house while im hiding at work.
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15th March 2009, 07:58 AM | #294 |
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I am not sure if you guys caught this obscure comment, but...
... billy really believes that some nefarious person actually moved smoke generating machines into various locations. Especially into WTC7. This is all self-evident to him. Somehow. And backed up with all the rigor & objective evidence that was demonstrated in his "If WTC7 was pre-rigged with explosives ..." question. He's ever so insightful ... tom |
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bill smith are you for real? I suspect you're actually on our side on this issue. Nobody could do a better job of making the truth movement look like idiots. In fact, I think you're Harry from accounting down the hallway from my office here at NWO towers. Harry? Is that you? If it is just poke your head above your cubicle. You're BRILLIANT!
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15th March 2009, 02:26 PM | #298 |
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Hello there
Remember elsewhere that you said that he smoke did not come from either a smoke generator or from a burst pipe ? I've forgotten the reason that you DID give so would you mind explaining again where the smoke was coming from ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY All three Towers |
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15th March 2009, 03:26 PM | #301 |
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The OP; asked for information, not more woo.
It turns out morons made up the implosion ideas based on ignorance, hearsay, lies and delusions. Those who lack knowledge and fail to try to improve their lot make up lies, believe in delusions and can’t believe fire destroys building. |
15th March 2009, 04:37 PM | #302 |
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Sorry, must redo calcs then repost.
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15th March 2009, 05:11 PM | #303 |
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Inneresting, alienentity. I don't have the video capability to test this.
Looks like the standard height of the upper floors was 12'9", except for the belt truss floors. I don't know about the mechanical floors at the top though. See page 21 here: John Salvarinas: "Seven World Trade Center, New York, Fabrication and Construction Aspects" (PDF) |
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15th March 2009, 05:19 PM | #304 |
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I just have one question.
Why is the zombie thread still going? *runs away from the zombie thread* (forgive me; I desperately need some humor in my life right now due to family issues and I'm trying to find it wherever I can; carry on.) |
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Sabrina! Nice to see you. Hope the family stuff works out OK. We'll be here, waiting for zombies to show.
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I say it must have been smoke machines. It's the only explanation
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bill, what role do you think the FDNY played in your "smoke generator" scenario?
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I'll rephrase. There are no reports from anyone in the FDNY claiming they witnessed "smoke generators". Don't you therefore find it fatal to any theory involving "smoke generators" that hundreds of fire professionals failed to notice their use taking place right in front of them? If not, why?
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Hi all,
I'm still doing research on the collapse for my next video. Read through the rest of the NIST report etc... Out of curiosity I checked into the Landmark building demolition in Texas. Here's a bit of background: At 380 feet (116 metres) tall this was the tallest building to be demolished in Texas and the 15th tallest building in the United States to be demolished at that time. - The Landmark Tower was imploded on Saturday, March 18, 2006 at 7:42 am. Ok, I got a copy of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ Loaded it into Final Cut Pro, and proceeded to find the start of collapse - I chose the big explosions at the base (hey, the flashes are so easy to see, very convenient) preceding the collapse (T=0), following it as far as I could see things still dropping. There's a lot of dust obscuring the final moments. My final estimate is T=7 - 8 seconds Freefall for 116 metres is 4.86 sec Observed collapse was in the 7sec range. a=4.73 m/s2 for the overall collapse. About 50% the rate of freefall. So it isn't clear at all from this evidence that freefall collapse is proof of controlled demolition. In fact it's exceedingly unclear to me how one could engineer 7 floors of WTC7 to simultaneously collapse without requiring large and very noticeable demolition charges. Since there is no evidence of such charges going off, logic dictates that the mechanism was something along the lines that NIST postulates. Thermite also fails completely to explain a simultaneous global collapse, since it couldn't conceivably have acted in such an instantaneous fashion applied to PART of an already ongoing collapse. Note: in both the WTC7 and WTC 1 and 2 cases global collapse - at whatever speed you like - was already underway without requiring explosives. As Leslie Robertson (head SE of the towers) pointed out, once the upper block of floors was falling, nothing could have stopped the towers from collapsing. With WTC7, once column 79 failed, exposing Truss 1 to the impact of 30+ floors of collapsing debris, it would have taken a miracle to stop the rest of the E-W failure of trusses and columns. Perhaps the best-case scenario might have been the survival of Truss 3, holding up 1/4 of the building. Is it surprising that the whole building went down given the events? No. Very, very unusual and rare, but then 9-11 was an extremely rare event, unlikely to happen again. However, to the skeptical, non-paranoid mind, a rare occurrence is not proof of a government plot. Those who wish to blame George W. Bush ( a surprisingly incompetent leader, if you'll excuse my judgement) forget that he had been in office less than 8 months when the attacks occurred. Considering the immense effort to plan and execute an enormous conspiracy as the 'Truthers' allege, it would be equally necessary for the Clinton administration to have initiated the efforts - how else? Even the development and testing of special silent explosives, and nano-thermite horizontal cutting devices would surely have required multi-year efforts. Why isn't Bill Clinton being vilified for this alleged war crime? He's as guilty as Bush is. |
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16th March 2009, 02:20 PM | #319 |
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come on? are we seriously, discussing "smoke generators"?
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This supposed "evidence" does not exist in a vacuum. What about the eyes of hundreds of fire professionals experienced in observing smoke dynamics who were in position to see this phenomena firsthand? None of them corroborate your theory. Why do you feel your after the fact, layperson's opinion trumps theirs?
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