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16th March 2009, 02:48 PM | #321 |
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As I said, it looks like a smoke generator to me Johnny. It does not resemble smoke being blown out of a broken window which is the prevailing theory in certain quarters I believe. For me my own eyes are what I go by. Don't you think it looks like a smoke generator ?
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LOL
"what it looks like" and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee, bill. So. What exactly do YOU expect to have seen then if there weren't your delightfully loony 'smoke generators'? |
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They saw what they saw and I see what I see Johnny. That's a smoke generator, no error. It seems obvious to me that that smoke is being mechanically pumped out like the smoke from a locomotive. Just a bit faster but in the same pulsed, rolling way. Smoke that being blown out does not look like that. It's only another minor observation but quite n interesting one.
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nice dodge.
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No....really....I couldn't say. Not on this particular aspect of 9/11 anyway. Though I do have my doubts about the fireman who said that '' WTC7 was fully involved in fire from ground to ceiling, all 47 floors''. I felt that he might have been exaggerating a little.
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You certainly can believe whatever you want, bill. Smoke generators it is then, if that's what it looks like to you. Stay true to yourself, that's what I always say.
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Perhaps someday soon a Truther will make a 9/11 presentation on coast-to-coast television. He could do well to finish with that clip asking poeple to call in giving their opinion on what it might be. A kind of 9/11-interactive thing. That sort of approach gets people involved . Not a bad idea. Pass it on please.
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Right. Which means you have your doubts. I merely asked for your opinion, not for you to make a definitive statement of fact (something you seem to have no compunction doing with regards to smoke generators, it seems). Your hesitancy to do so indicates you are suspicious of the FDNY silence on this issue. I want to know why. So we've established that you think the FDNY have been untruthful in their depiction of the events of 9/11. Again, what basis do you have to believe the FDNY is lying or keeping silent about what they experienced on 9/11? |
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so if it looks like smoke from a smoke generator, then IT MUST BE so.
Where is the picture they use to bring out of that animal that looked like one thing, but was actually another? TAM |
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I think the FDNY did a fine job on 9/11. In addition to their tremendous sacrifices I esoecially appreciated the 12,000 pages of sworn testimony they gave in the days and weeks after the events. Some of them, like the 'all 47 floors' guy made statements that are hard to reconcile with the visual reecord but that's not proof of anything. He may have been just exaggerating or mistaken.
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Smoke generators at outdoor rock concerts produce smoke that looks exactly like this. I don't think that many people who see this clip will have many doubts about what they are seeing. I may be wrong but I would love to test it on public broadcast TV with a call-in afterwards.
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In a vain attempt to prompt some rationality, bill smith, can you show a few videos of real smoke from buildings that were genuinely on fire, then explain exactly how and why they look different to WTC7? Or is that too much like intelligent analysis for your tastes?
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17th March 2009, 02:16 AM | #344 |
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Real fires often appear to produce less smoke than you might expect. Have a look at this video of WTC5 blazing (and incidentally take note that it did not collapse unlike WTC7 which apparently did from much,much smaller fires).
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WTC5 and 6 had collapses internally due to fire, you are so funny as you lack knowledge and make up cute idiotic statements. BTW, did anyone put water on WTC5?
Do you want to see the internal failures of steel in WTC5 or 6? Are you really this ignorant on fires? You need to step it up, your apologies for terrorist are weak. Oops, they save the building by putting water on it; darn you posted a video of firemen fighting WTC5 fire. Not real smart to debunk your own stupid ideas with your own post. Yeppers, WTC5 is ready to be used right now!!! Wowzer, no fire damage there! Good job expert 911Truth man. Great work. Better sign up for your Pulitzer Prize. I guess you are not familiar with any of the 10,000 pages of NIST. Sad. Knowledge would save you from displaying piles of ignorance. Wow, that is a small fire in WTC7, you are right again, you are totally knowledge free on 911. Did you know the firemen knew WTC7 could fall and hour or two before it fell all due to un-fought fires which is always a danger and many times firemen have abandoned fire fighting efforts due to possible collapse. Darn, the things you could learn if you wanted to try stop apologizing for terrorists and think for yourself instead of googling your way through ignorance on 911. |
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Smoke generators in WTC7. LOL. I don't think I've heard that one before. Thank you very much for the laugh, bill.
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Could you make a special effort, and come up with a line of argument that doesn't involve lying? The idea that less smoke comes from a smaller building on fire (despite the fact that other conspiracy theorists have argued that all the smoke came from WTC5) is completely irrelevant to your original suggestion that it was the dynamics of the smoke, not the amount, that was suspicious.
It's painfully obvious that your approach to 9/11 is to start by picking a phenomenon at random, claim it's suspect, then invent a flimsy rationalisation for that belief. When someone questions that rationalisation, you simply invent a different one. Nobody's fooled by it. Dave |
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I note that you excised my link to the raging inferno in WTC5 and can only conclude that you do not like the comparison with the much,much smaller fires in WTC7 which NIST say caused it to totally collapse despite it being one of the strongest steel structures ever constructed in the World history of such buidings. I repost the link to WTC5 for completeness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41OCQvu7ULQ WTC5 The rest of your post is rambling and indecisive so I will lay out the framework for why I think smoke generators may have been used in WTC7 to create the illusion that 'where there is smoke there must be fire'. Ifyou look at the video of WTC5 burning you will note that the heavy smoke is not apparent in the areas where there is serious fire.It appears to be rising away from where the raging inferno ends near the top of the buiidng. In WTC7 the heavy smoke begins more or less at ground level, indicating that there was no raging inforno inside (otherewise we would have seen roaring flames and no smoke inthe area of fire, as can be seen in the WTC5 video). Considering that the fires were supposedly started by rubble from the North Tower we can easonably assume that the fires were right inside the South Wall where the smoke was coming from. So you see where I am going ? Small fires producing a mountain of smoke can only mean one thing--smoke generators like the one n the video I showed earlier. |
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bill do you HONESTLY think that smoke generators are the only explanation for the smoke in the WTC fires? I'm serious, because do you have any idea how crazy that sounds?
ETA: I just had a thought. I can picture workmen carrying large boxes and distributing them around the WTC. When asked what they were, muttering "uhhhh....brand new copy machines sir. Nothing to see here. Move along..." |
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Why is 911Truth full of delusions of thermite?
There comes a time when your silence becomes betrayal The time has come when your lack of knowledge on 911 betrays you WTC5 destroyed by fire. How ironic. The same happened to WTC7. Only a few fringe people fail to comprehend WTC7 failed due to fire. Knowledge is the key; 911Truth lost their key. |
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You're using the behaviour of the smoke to determine the intensity of the fires, then claiming that the behaviour of the smoke from WTC7 is inconsistent with the size of the fires that you've just deduced from it. That's not circular logic, it's Moebius logic.
The possibility, of course, that you've chosen to ignore is that there were very large fires inside WTC7 - which was, after all, a very large building - but that most of them were not close to the exterior walls at the time your video was recorded. The reason that you've chosen to ignore that possibility is that it's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the behaviour of the smoke, is consistent with the fire modelling results published in the NIST report, and doesn't carry the faintest suggestion of anything underhand going on with WTC7. Oh, and "rambling and indecisive"? There's nothing indecisive about pointing out that you're lying, and there's nothing rambling about pointing out that you're changing your lie whenever it suits you. Dave |
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