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24th June 2011, 07:50 PM | #1 |
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What other architects think of Gage's nuttery
RIBA comes under fire for hosting ‘bonkers’ 9/11 talkhttp://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/riba-...020382.article For some reason this was covered by 9/11 Blogger http://911blogger.com/news/2011-06-2...ites-firestorm |
25th June 2011, 04:50 AM | #2 |
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25th June 2011, 05:08 AM | #3 |
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Personally, I'd lay good Canadian money that this Rick Bell character is in on it too. /woo
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25th June 2011, 05:16 AM | #4 |
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Was happy to read this. I complained to them before the event but to no avail. The 911 Tit movement seems to be at the stage of a dying insect on his back, barely moving but still the occasional twitch. Seems like his European tour received near to no press. You'd expect to see him on all the chat shows but thankfully not.
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25th June 2011, 08:26 AM | #7 |
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25th June 2011, 08:32 AM | #8 |
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Kind of funny how they all take it as nothing but insults... Gage has a genuine condition of chronic ineducation or crackpottery. Considering that I find RIBA's response to the controversy perfectly justified.
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25th June 2011, 08:47 AM | #9 |
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From the 9/11 blogger article:
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25th June 2011, 09:53 AM | #12 |
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Oh, dear. Whoever he is, Tony Szamboti thinks he's me, probably won't believe it if I say he isn't, and can now find out his e-mail address from the BPONLINE website. This could be entertaining, though not for my namesake.
Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti on 9/11 blogger
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25th June 2011, 10:03 AM | #13 |
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25th June 2011, 10:17 AM | #14 |
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25th June 2011, 10:45 AM | #15 |
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For years Truthers have been defending Gage and AE911 saying "Oh yeah well, where's the 1000 professional architects & engineers who DISAGREE with us, huh???"
And now that THIS has happened, well...I mean, just look at the comments section on the 911blogger article. The Truthers are all basically just plugging their ears and going LALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOUUUUUUUUUUUU LALALALALALALALA. They aren't even attempting their usual cries of "SHILL! AGENT! PAID-OFF!" because, on some subconscious level deep deep down, even they are starting to realize how silly it is to implicate every single person who disagrees with you into the conspiracy. |
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26th June 2011, 09:37 AM | #20 |
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If you look at the BD comments sheet, I'd say he's getting a bit of a well deserved drubbing.
Interestingly groups like the RIBA linkedin forums are ignoring it completely AFAIK. Nice to see he made such an impression. |
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26th June 2011, 12:05 PM | #21 |
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26th June 2011, 06:38 PM | #22 |
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Man... it wants me to register to read more :\
Whatever... I got to see some of them yesterday. AFAIK, this won't get any mention at the university I take classes at either. Since I started I've only heard a couple of mentions of 9/11 conspiracies, and Gage's name has never popped up. At least least not in the 6 years I've been in the program. |
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It's quite disconcerting how many in the profession were not already aware of Gage and his views.. some of them seem to have been sucked in by his one-sided presentation.
One woman was asking for Ove ARUP or a credible international Engineering firm to look at this.. I had to point out that they did, for 3 years, and concluded (in 2005) that the towers would've collapsed by the fire alone. I can't believe the BD comment board has now been infected by cries of "government shill" and endless links to youtube clips :-/ |
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27th June 2011, 07:37 AM | #24 |
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Last year I talked to a guy at a class reunion who's been working as an architect in NYC since before the attacks, and he hadn't even heard of September 11 conspiracism at all, let alone Gage and AE911T. He told me that he'll be sure to speak out if he encounters any of their BS. |
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28th June 2011, 05:35 AM | #25 |
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The debate is still raging over at BD online, but the most vocal are truthers who I don't think were registered before, posting list after list of names and links.. I doubt BD readers have come accross this behaviour before.
There's talk of starting a thread on JREF, I hope it happens so you guys can join in |
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28th June 2011, 08:18 PM | #27 |
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Unfortunately the world is full of people who choose to be foolish. People Believe this, or believe that, or disbelieve this or disbelieve that. It's darn crazy.
Rather than find the truth, they are happy with less than truth. One only Practices Beliefs/Disbeliefs if one is located at a distance from the truth, and that distant location is of course is the zone of less than truth. As children they practiced beliefs and disbeliefs and thus believed in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. Then as adults they still continued to practice beliefs and disbeliefs. They just refused to grow up. For some people, seeing is still believing, thus they are still located at a distance from the truth. They can't see the truth since their seeing is merely an act of believing. To give you an example, such people believe that a car can stop, move, move slowly or move at higher speeds. They believe that a car can move across various distances. WOW ??? Thus they are saying that motion, such as the motion of a car, contains 2 variables. 1) Speed 2) Distance Variables range from zero to infinity. Infinite speed means that no matter what distance you cross, it is done in zero time. Moving across an infinite distance means that you just keep on going forever since there is no end to an infinite distance. Thus if move at an infinite speed across an infinite distance, you will therefore, GO ON FOREVER, IN NO TIME AT ALL. ??? Thus you will experience time, forever, but do so in no time at all. But if you are one of those folks that can see the truth, thus see that motion is constant, that it is non-stop, and that only changes in the direction of that motion are possible, you soon convert what you truly see happening, into equations, and bingo you are tickled pink to find out that your equations are identical to those famous equations known as the Lorentz Fitzgerald contraction equation, the Time Dilation equation, the Lorentz Transformation equations, and the Velocity Addition equation. But today, most people instead still place beliefs ahead of truths. |
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The hell?
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28th June 2011, 08:35 PM | #29 |
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29th June 2011, 01:32 AM | #32 |
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No. Just... no.
At infinite speed, any finite distance will be covered in zero time. However, an infinite distance is not finite. Moving at infinite speed across an infinite distance will take an indeterminate time. It's nothing to do with Lorentz transformations. I think some study of the mathematics of infinities may be of value to you. I can recomment "The Infinite Book", by John D. Barrow, as a readable and entertaining starting point. Dave |
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On the BD forum I posted Oystein's critique of the Harrit paper.. I said Oystein was a Scientist, which some dude called Andreas John has just slammed me for:
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I prefer the term "Archie Debunker" ..thank you very much.
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29th June 2011, 11:32 AM | #35 |
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If he wants a scientist, then refer him to Sunstealer's critiques; Sunstealer is, if I recall correctly, a materials scientist.
As always, though, it's a reverse appeal to authority: the critique is no good because it's not from a scientist, not because the content is wrong. Ask him what Oystein got wrong. |
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29th June 2011, 12:24 PM | #36 |
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I won't answer for Oystein but the first page in your link is hilarious.
They are actually using the slide from Jones' own presentation, which I used to show the MEK soaked sample is tnemec primer paint, to show that it's not primer paint! What a moron! What that idiot doesn't realise when he says there was no Zinc in the samples is that he should be saying no Zn in samples a) to d). I've read Jones' reply as to why this is the case - they didn't break the chip in half - which just goes to show how sloppy they were. They were using two different methodologies and then equating the results. The correct way to have gone about this was to have published a typical edx spectra or two of outside surface of the chips and then two of the inside. It would also have saved them space in their paper helping it to read more concisely. The whole MEK soaking is a red herring. I find the video of the heating of that chip interesting though. Hardly explosive! What material have they placed the chip on? The chip volume appears to increase but it doesn't explode or melt as such - we'd expect to see it spread out if such high temps were reached. There is no light given off which is what thermite would do. Funny how it's over 2 years since this amazing world changing discovery and release of the paper, but no additional publishing of their work has been forthcoming. Funny how they can afford to burn samples willy-nilly, but won't send them to an independent lab for simple analysis. If a truther argues with you, just ask them why Jones et al haven't sent a couple of samples anonymously to a lab. Literally this is what you do. Phone a lab, say, "hello I've got some thin red material and I'd like to know what it is, how much will it cost to find out?" The lab will inform you of the rough cost and timescale, the procedures etc. You post samples, pay a fee ($2000 would cover it easily) and then a couple of weeks later you receive the report. Simples. They won't do it because they know what would happen. |
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Judy Woo-woo is a materials scientist and she dismisses Jonesie's crap out of hand. She has the superior credentials.
She's more batcrap crazy, but when did that matter to twoofers? |
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29th June 2011, 03:02 PM | #38 |
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Just a nit picj MacG.
The evidence is not 'wrong' its the conclusions drawn that are wrong. I.E. Evidence : molten steel at the WTC site. Yes there was molten metal. No, it is not shown to have been steel and thus it is not evidence that thermite was involved. The conclusions , that it was steel and that this is thus proof of thermitic temperatures, are wrong. |
29th June 2011, 04:19 PM | #39 |
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My degree is in "Applied Mathematical Sciences" - does that make me a scientist?
The guy you quote is correct: By profession, I am an IT consultant. I do not work as a scientiest, and certainly material sciences or chemistry are not my fields at all. I am flattered that you use my work, but it is largely a summary of what others here have found out, particularly Sunsteeler and Moorea, with more input from Dave Rogers and others. I found some errors in the Harrit paper myself, but probably wasn't the first in any one instance. Of course it doesn't matter one bit if I am a professional scientist or not. What matters is if my facts are true or false, and if my arguments are convincing or not. |
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