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27th June 2011, 07:11 AM | #1 |
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Massive hotel fire caused by thermite and explosives, according to Truther logic
Here is an absolutely breathtaking hotel fire that eyewitnesses have reported hearing explosions.
Must have been thermite and explosives planted in the building. http://www.floridatoday.com/article/...news|text|Home |
27th June 2011, 07:14 AM | #2 |
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This has nothing to do with 9/11 whatsoever.
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True. But neither do thermite, C4, remote controlled airliners, energy beams from space, insurance fraud, deliberate stand-down orders, 11G pull-up maneuvers, deliberate planting of evidence in excavations near Shanksville, people with the same names as some of the hi-jackers, or indeed most of the things 9/11 conspiracy theorists yammer on about. So it doesn't really seem all that out of place.
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27th June 2011, 07:28 AM | #5 |
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You can view a video here.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28365909/detail.html If you look, you can see metal railings melting! INSIDE JOBBITY JOB!!! |
27th June 2011, 07:40 AM | #6 |
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Actually Red, I will have to disagree.
Several of our resident truthers say that 1. explosions in a fire must be caused by explosives 2. any melted metal must be melted steel 3. all buildings can be compared even if they are different construction, different design and made from different materials. |
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Wow, you have a stunning lack of imagination.
Thirty seconds reading the article shows a reference to "black smoke," which truthers have taught us only arises in connection with an oxygen deprived fire. Must not be a lot of oxygen in Florida, huh Red! Plus, maybe some joker will claim that the owner pulled the building in order to make a windfall like some sort of a bandit, huh Red? |
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Wrong.
He presents evidence for his often made claim that witnesses hear explosions during at least some building fires, even though no explosives were used to demolish that building. This claim, and its proof, help to refute the claim often made by 9/11 truthers that witnesses reporting explosions during the fires in the towers is evidence for explosives being used to demolish those buildings. Truthers have, as far as I am concerned, have never presented evidence to back up their assertions that the explosions heard by witnesses are consistent with the explosives heard when buildings are really CDed. All the evidence, taken together, and including the one presented by tri in the OP, make the theory "fires, not explosives, caused the towers to collapse" the most parsimoneous and thus best explanation we have to date. |
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There is also mention of a collapse in some of the articles I have read.
Red, I am sorry that you don't get the connection. Truthers claim Black smoke=oxygen starved fire. This article proves them wrong. Truthers claim that molten/melted metal can only occur if thermite is present. This article proves them wrong. Truthers claim that explosions mean explosives, and this article (So far) proves them wrong. You don't get it do you? |
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I can't believe you all missed the obvious evidence of the NWO planning this "fire" to "discredit" 9/11 Truth!
The very first guy they interview has a shirt with "Roc-A-Fella" on it. Do I need to draw you a map, sheeple? |
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How is that a strawman? Truthers claim fairly regularly that BLACK SMOKE = and oxygen starved fire? Do I need to show you some links?
Truthers claim that melted metal ONLY comes from thermite. Do I need to post some links for you? Truthers claim regularly that explosions reported by eyewitnesses must have been from bombs/explosives. Do I need to post some links for you? |
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Citing and addressing actual arguments from truthers is NOT A GOD DAMN STRAW MAN.
I specifically mention the black smoke lie that your lying pal truthers came up with that is addressed in the link article, which you have inexplicably ignored. Do you have anything to add Red, or are you just going to whine about nonsense? |
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I submit that it's actually par for the course, and what would be inexplicabe would be him NOT ignoring it..... |
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Yes Red, please explan to me how I am setting up arguments that the TM has never raised, so I can have something to attack? (Which is the definition of a strawman)
Please, explain how you came to that conclusion. |
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And it was also reported that the FD focused their efforts on saving a nearby restaurant.......even though they most likely had plenty of water available to fight the motel fire. There must have been something in the motel that someone did not want to be found, and the FD was in on it.
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Sure, go right ahead. But when you do make sure the claim is that black smoke is only from an oxygen starved fire.
Make sure that the clam is that molten/melted metal can only occur if thermite is present. Make sure that the claim is that all explosions mean explosives. If not, you are building strawmen. That is, creating a non-existent argument purely for the purpose of a circle "auto-stimulation". |
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Holy crap, this is sheer nonsense.
You know Red, it is fine to make an error, but you have the stunningly annoying habit of compounding it by posting follow up nonsense like this post that takes it to the point of absurdity. It is just like that claim that Siverstein made out like a bandit, a reasonable person would have supported it or withdrawn it. Not you of course, which is why my sig line must be so annoying to you. |
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Sure do.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread214718/pg1 http://www.internationalskeptics.com.../t-145380.html http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal.../severity.html "Dark smoke implies the presence of soot, which is composed of uncombusted hydrocarbons. Soot is produced when a fire is oxygen-starved, or has just been extinguished" That took 10 seconds. I am sure there are plenty more. Feel free to google for yourself. http://www.takeourworldback.com/smokinggun.htm " The only thing that could cause this molten steel is Thermite," http://s15.zetaboards.com/Jref_alter...opic/649680/1/ http://www.infowars.com/video-911-fi...ers-collapsed/ " two firefighters on 9/11 discussing how secondary explosions occurred immediately before the collapse of the twin towers, providing damning new evidence that explosive devices were used to bring down the buildings" I rest my case. And no, this is not a circle jerk. It is a "let's sit around and laugh at truthers like yourself who are ignorant of real life" kinda thing. Welcome to the party. |
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Something most of us have brought up at some point or another. WTC conspiracy theorists claim that the idea of 118 firefighters reporting explosions is somehow unprecedented or totally unusual in a very large fire. The building has nothing to do with the WTC, it does however have everything to do with the rationale that the conspiracy theorists use to claim that explosives should have been investigated.
Investigations into fires typically explore the causes of the fire and the factors that lead to their spread inside buildings. Explosives in this case were not the cause of the fires, as everyone knows; the cause was witnessed by millions of people. The explosions are easily attributed to the secondary effects of the fire. If red... no, any 9/11 "skeptic" disagrees with that then they need to do more than make sarcasm. Until then... the OP's parody of truth movement claims stands as perfectly on target. |
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There is an updated video here. http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28365909/detail.html
Also, the entire wing of the hotel collapsed. I am working to get more photos of the aftermath. There is a slideshow showing the aftermath of the fire. |
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Actually, if they use any of those points in any argument that explosive/pyro materials must have been used, it doesn't allow that to any longer be called as a strawman. Once they emphasize the point and use it as part of their evidence, any disconfirmation is not straw, it is the tick-tick-ticking of reality headed toward them.
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The floors appear to be of concrete, which is more heat-resistant than steel trusses, and they collapsed with fire on only two floors. Think about it.
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Did you see that fire-tornado in the video? Proof of vortex energy weapon? ahhhh...the plot thickens....
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No, I don't think the floors were made of concrete. I could be wrong though. I know that the outer columns were not. If it was concrete, I would assume that the outer walls and columns would be also.
But, I am not an architect either. I will look into it though. Have some friends with OFD. |
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