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9/11 Truth: 'Hollywood' Speaks Out
"Hollywood" "celebrities" speak about 9/11 "truth" in a new (surprise, surprise) Youtube video:
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It's 2 and a half hours long, so I preferred to read 911truth.org's synopsis on it. As it is, I wasted valuable time clicking "dislike" on the vid. Starring: Charlie Sheen (Actor: Platoon, Wall Street, Two and a Half Men) Alex Jones (Radio Host/Film Producer) Daniel Sunjata (Actor: Rescue Me, Grey�s Anatomy, The Devil Wears Prada) Jesse Ventura (Actor, Author, TV Host, former Governor of Minnesota) Dean Haglund (Actor: The X-Files/The Lone Gunman) Willie Nelson (Singer/Actor) Mark Ruffalo (Actor: Shutter Island, The Kids Are All Right) Rosie O�Donnell (Actress/TV Host: The View) Martin Sheen (Actor: The West Wing, Apocalypse Now) Geraldo Rivera (TV Host: Geraldo at Large) Also featuring: Aaron Russo (Film Director/Producer: The Rose, Trading Places) Al Franken (TV Host: Air America) Bob MacIlvaine (Victim Family Member) Christine Ebersole (Singer/Actress) Dave Mustaine (Musician/Singer: Megadeath) David Lynch (Film Director: Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet) Ed Asner (Actor: The Mary Tyler Moore Show, Lou Grant, Up) Esai Morales (Actor: La Bamba, Jericho) Gary Busey (Actor: Lethal Weapon, Point Break) George Carlin (Comedian) Gore Vidal (Actor/Author) Hal Sparks (Actor/Comedian: Queer as Folk, Spider-Man 2) Henry Rollins (Singer/Actor) Jeremy Glick (Victim Family Member) Jim Corr (Singer/Musician: The Corrs) Joe Rogan (TV Host: Ultimate Fighting Championship) John Schneider (Actor: Dukes of Hazzard, Desperate Houswives) Margaret Cho (Actress/Comedian) Michael Moore (Film Director/Producer) Prodigy (Rap Artist) Sam Harris (Singer/Actor) Other Celebrities who question 9/11 (listed at end of movie): Dick Gregory (Actor/Writer) Evan Dando (Musician/Singer: The Lemonheads) Harry Belafonte (Singer/Actor) Heather Thomas (Actress: The Fall Guy) Immortal Technique (Rap Artist) James Brolin (Actor: Marcus Welby M.D, Hotel; husband of Barbra Streisand) James Cromwell (Australian Actor: Babe, The Queen) Janeane Garofalo (Actress: The Truth About Cats & Dogs, 24) Juliette Binoche (Actress: The English Patient, Chocolat) O Rly? Does she know about this? Lou Dobbs (TV Host) Marion Cottilard (Actress: Inception, Nine) Matt Bellamy (Singer/Musician: Muse; engaged to Kate Hudson) Michael J Fox (Actor: Family Ties, Back to the Future) ???! Michelle Phillips (Singer/Actress: The Mamas & The Papas, Knots Landing) Mimi Kennedy (Actress: Dharma & Greg, Due Date) Mos Def (Rap Artist) Nina Hagen (Singer/Actress) Patrice O�Neal (Comedian/Actor) Peter Coyote (Actor: E.T. - The Extra Terrestrial, Erin Brockovich) Roseanne Barr (TV Host/Actress: Roseanne) Sharon Stone (Actress: Basic Instinct, Casino) Spencer Pratt (Reality TV Personality: The Hills) Tom DeLonge (Musician/Actor: Blink 182, American Pie) Tommy Chong (Actor: Cheech & Chong�s Up In Smoke) Woody Harrelson (Actor: Cheers, No Country for Old Men) An Appeal to a False Authority bigger than Ben Hur! |
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3rd July 2011, 02:35 AM | #4 |
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How about SpecialFX-coordinators for 911 Twoof?
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3rd July 2011, 03:22 AM | #5 |
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And yet none have...do you need a bigger clue that THEY WERE ALL IN ON IT!!1!!
On a more serious note:
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After watching the first 20 minutes, I had to stop watching due to rapid onset of a major headache caused by uncontrollable urges to bang my skull into my desktop. Just in this short excerpt we're treated to "pull it", cell phones don't work, the steel was shipped off, the hole in the pentagon is too small, the BBC jumped the gun, etc. I will resume watching once I feel better, but I hold little hope there's anything that'll change my preliminary rating of:
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3rd July 2011, 04:38 AM | #8 |
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I think he was being facetious from the get-go, but he can speak for himself...
As for me, I'd say that actors have no special knowledge that anyone else has. It's just part of our culture to be enamored with celebrity, which is why support for any cause by a celebrity usually garners more attention for it. It doesn't matter what the issue is - if a celebrity is attached to it, it will get more attention. It's why we buy magazines that detail the lives of celebrities, it's why we watch talk shows where celebrities talk about their lives, it's why an actor might be a guest critic on a cooking competition show etc etc etc. They have no special ability or knowledge - just a recognizable name and face. |
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3rd July 2011, 05:23 AM | #9 |
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Aside from his mention in this list, I thankfully find no evidence of Henry Rollins being a troofer. I don't have to delete my Black Flag albums!!!
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3rd July 2011, 06:02 AM | #10 |
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I have no intention of watching the entire video. It appears to be a cobbled together collection of clips of Hollywood and media types who, aside from the usual suspects (Rosie, Ventura, Charlie Sheen, et al), might, at one time or another, expressed skepticism of the "official story" about 9/11 or flirted with 9/11 Truth (the latter appears to be the case with Juliette Binoche).
Aaron Russo, the first name on the list, is dead and Gore Vidal has been senile for years and I would seriously doubt that Senator Al Franken is a truther. Michael J. Fox is a puzzler for me too. |
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3rd July 2011, 06:03 AM | #11 |
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Its pretty much about 4 or 5 people like Ventura, Sheen and Aaron Russo in this video despite that long list
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Actors have every right to speak out, even when they make fools of themselves.
In another thread I expressed my opinion that 9/11 truthers view life through a filter formed by their exposure to popular fiction - they believe what they see in movies and read in books is an accurate reflection of real life - governments and coprorations with on-call crews of professional killers available 24/7. It doesn't surprise me in the least that the people involved in producing that entertainment might fall victim to the same falsehood. |
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As I pointed out in my article, virtually none of them have said a peep since Obama got elected. Why isn't there some kind of concert for 9/11 Truth or something like that? Because there's there's an African-American president talking about public health insurance.
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Several mistakes and odd career highlight omissions in that list. For example no mention of La Vie en Rose for Marion Cotillard? Also James Cromwell isn't an "Australian actor", he's an American. He just happened to make at least two of his more famous movies in Australia. People who claim to be interested in "THE TRUTH" should be interested in the truth about everything.
I admire the work of many of those people, but I wouldn't trust most of them to help me fix a flat tire, let alone trust their "Gut Feelings" to intuit what did or didn't happen on 9/11. I loved the work of George Carlin, but let's face it, he was a full-on misanthrope towards the end of his life. He'd believe anything about anyone if it confirmed his already dismally low opinion of 99% of the human race. |
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It depends on the foolish belief. In my experience as a former music journalist, bands singing about politics could pull it off a fair amount of the time if they were specific, but when they descended into generic conspiracism or raging against 'the man' in general, they nearly always sounded like idiots.
Unfortunately, Twooferdom is light years removed from substantive politics, which is why the real Rage against the Machine sound so much better than Megadeth or Ministry getting worked up about 'government lies'. |
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We have a new singer we're testing out. She's sent us 3 sets of lyrics and one of them, despite being relatively good poetically (well as far as song lyrics generally go), there's some NWO content going on. I want to keep it all nice and democratic, I know some of the other guys love the lyrics and there are others I don't 100% agree with, but I dunno if I can justify these ones to myself at all. I have hundreds of records with lyrical rubbish which I don't care about. It just feels different when I'm the one who has to go and play the thing :S ETA: Nick's quote which I missed first time! |
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If you're actually in a band with someone who takes that line, then it's a very different matter indeed. But if you're in a band with someone then you can presumably engage with them, influence them and get everyone on the same page. What she calls NWO might sound perfectly fine if it was called something else with less ridiculous implications. Besides, singers would be shocked - shocked, I tell you - that one of those dumbo musicians backing them actually gave a monkey's about the lyrics. If you can persuade your drummer to level the criticism... |
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Just be glad you're not recording Payday Monsanto.
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3rd July 2011, 02:58 PM | #24 |
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Michael J. Fox? I think my world has just collapsed. Say it ain't so!
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I'd just be doing it to let others have their say. Each of us is free to contribute lyrics, I've written 3 lots myself, and I don't really want to veto stuff if I can help it, but I think perpetrating that kind of stuff is too far for me. However, there's 5 others who might disagree.
I may have a disclaimer for myself lol, or write a counter-song Anyhoo, I'm taking this off-topic a little. Back to the crazy actors... |
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Fox's name on the list seems to be the result of this Canadian 9/11 Truth page... but the Micheal J. Fox on that page is identified as the brother of Jeffrey L. Fox, an FDNY firefighter who died in the North Tower on 9/11. Then another idiot truther picked up the name and added it to a no longer available video of "distinguished Canadians calling for a New 9/11 Investigation."
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I wonder if the actor Michael J Fox knows that his name is being misrepresented in this way? Having read his book "Lucky Man" he certainly doesn't come across as a CT nut and I don't see how someone might "Presume" otherwise.
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3rd July 2011, 05:49 PM | #29 |
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One of MJ Fox's best friends is actor Dennis Leary. Of "Rescue Me" fame. He had intensely personal relationships end in a tragic fire in Worcester, MA, losing his longtime friend and his cousin.
They were together when the Bruins were on their way to winning the Stanley Cup. That has no relevance to the thread, but it's still damn fun to type. Anyway: (From Dennis Leary about MJF)
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I'm holding out for 9/11 Truth on ice. Is Al Franken really a 9/11 Twoofer? I find that hard to believe.
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3rd July 2011, 07:57 PM | #33 |
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Yes
Actress Heather Thomas Latest Celebrity to Question 9/11 http://www.infowars.com/actress-heat...-question-911/ note infowars
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What kind of a person is actually PROUD of the fact that Charlie Sheen is on their side?
The way I see it, having Charlie Sheen on your side is worth negative points for your cause. |
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She's another one of those hard-core Democrats who went 9/11 just before the election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Thomas
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I remember seeing that on Rescue Me a couple years back. The scene where Sunjata's character gives that big speech about the PNAC with all the truther bile that accompanies it. I was shocked that Denis Leary, who is the show's producer and whom I respect quite a bit, allowed that to be written into the show.
I doubt that went over well with any FDNY members who watch the show. Maybe there's a silent minority of the FDNY that believes the "twoof", possibly Triforcharity can comment on that, but if IIRC, Leary's character dismisses Sunjata's character's beliefs and downplays their importance. A bit later it comes out that Daniel Sunjata is a real life truther and a full blown truther activist. If you ever have seen Sunjata talk about the "twoof" he is disgustingly arrogant about the topic and I would love to see him walk into a FDNY station with that crap, cameras rolling of course, so we could watch the beat down. |
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Daniel Sunjata isn't one of Dennis Leary's best friends.
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