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6th July 2011, 03:56 PM | #1 |
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"Pilots for Truth" using its mailing list to trash opponents
For reasons I don't remember, I'm on P4T's mailing list. I just got this message:
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The discussion in question features Scoggins, apparently a 9/11 eyewitness, so the comments may be of interest to folks here: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...#entry10799127 |
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6th July 2011, 04:01 PM | #2 |
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6th July 2011, 04:06 PM | #3 |
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This is low, even for CPt'n Bob. Cheap Shot took the time to talk to them (for what reason I can't fathom) in an attempt to help and they give him the CIT Lloyde England treatment
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6th July 2011, 04:09 PM | #4 |
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Actually, tis doesn't suprise me, BECAUSE of the way they treated Mr. England.
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6th July 2011, 04:53 PM | #5 |
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Apparently a 9/11 eyewitness?? I thought you'd been in threads here with him before; he was on the front line of the ATC/NEADS response in Boston Center. He's considerably more than an eyewitness; Ref here interviewed him and posted it.
Or was than an ironic quote and I missed it? If so, I'm so sorry. |
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6th July 2011, 08:23 PM | #6 |
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What a SCUMBAG!
I don't blame Colin for leaving that cesspool!
Balsamo is WRONG....again. Colin's position report had absolutely nothing to do with the F-15's (Panta) going into holding off Long Island. New York Center didn't want them over NYC, probably due to traffic. There was a discussion about that on one of the NEADS tapes. Additionally, Colins' position report had absolutely nothing to do with why the Langley Fighters went 090 for 60 nm. That is very clear on the Norfolk TRACON tapes. They flew a standard Scramble Departure out of Langley and did not turn North earlier in accordance with the Scramble Instructions due to a joint shared failure on the part of Norfolk TRACON and the Quit Flight leader. I didn't read all of the garbage in that thread, only that between Colin and Balsamo. A waste of time.... |
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6th July 2011, 08:25 PM | #7 |
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6th July 2011, 10:07 PM | #8 |
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I think that e-mail went out to all of their members. Cheap shot should have a copy of it.
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7th July 2011, 03:07 AM | #9 |
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I will do a rare 'defense' of FAA folks. Norfolk TRACON had nothing to do with the failure of QUIT25 not turning north. That is completely on the lead pilot. The first thing the Norfolk ATC asked was where the pilot wanted to go and was prepared (and expecting) to turn him north. However, Colin had absolutely nothing to do with that call or scramble.
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7th July 2011, 06:57 AM | #11 |
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Ultimately, the fault rests on the leader just as it does if he crashes. However, the reason TRACON and Giant Killer also copied the Scramble Order is that they all share a responsibility to comply with it. That's the basis of the relationship between pilots and the FAA in the conduct of air traffic in the first place. They both share responsibility for conducting operations safely during normal conditions, as well. If either one of the (Flight Lead or the TRACON Controller) had been more cognizant of the urgency of the situation the flight would have turned Northwest earlier than it did.
Another factor that contributed is that if the Supervisor of Flying (SOF) had been in the tower rather than flying a number 3 it would likely have been different, as well. Quite frankly, it really didn't make any difference in the outcome. The launch was too late anyway even if the Quits had turned toward DC right after take-off they still could not have intercepted AA 77. Gumboot and I had a discussion on this issue quite some time ago. We came to the conclusion that the only way the Quits could have stopped AA-77 under the best scenario would have been a Beyond Visual Range (BVR) shot in the face. NO ONE in their right mind would ever approve that against a Civilian Airliner then or now. |
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7th July 2011, 07:47 AM | #12 |
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Oh I agree. All I'm saying is that the Norfolk tower defered to the lead pilot. If anything, Colin's call to NEADS relative to the phantom AAL11 got the QUIT fighters airborne sooner than they otherwise would have. I have (and continue) to regard Colin as one of the heros of 9/11. That is why I really take offense at CPt'n Bob's latest.
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7th July 2011, 11:45 AM | #14 |
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I work for a TV station that is owned by a cable company. we get;
-Calls from viewers asking why we are showing, or not showing such-and-such a program. We are an affilliate and some programming is not set by us. -Calls from viewers of other stations asking why this-or-that. We do not know anything about the interanl decisions made by other stations. -Calls from cable customers asking for a service call. We do not handle cable service, the cable company handles those. -Calls from cable customers wishing to complain about 'inappropriate' programming on other stations. We do not, and neither does the cable company, have anything to do with programming on other stations. Soooo, one wonders, why do these people call us? Because WE are a TV station and they have an issue with TV AND our number is in the local phone book. Not too far removed from this irrelevent line of inquiry is Cappy Robby asking questions of Cheap Shot which CS has nothing to do with. He might as well have asked why Balsamo's dentists's waiting room does't stock "Sport's Illustrated", or complain that the Canadian cable station, OUTTV airs homosexual content( got that one last year). |
7th July 2011, 11:50 AM | #15 |
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Which is why the brain trust at PfT assumes that Colin was in charge and in the know on all things that day. They do not see that all the intel and command info was not a two way street.
Colin's role was to alert the military and provide some intel to them, not direct them operationally. Am I mistaken? |
7th July 2011, 12:16 PM | #16 |
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I think you're correct. From Ref's interview:
Cheap Shot himself can give more detail if he sees this. |
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7th July 2011, 02:09 PM | #17 |
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Cap'n Bob once again demonstrates his arrogance and ignorance..
At least Colin was there. |
8th July 2011, 11:19 AM | #18 |
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Thanks for Support
Originally Rob had contacted me several months ago about being interviewed for his upcoming DVD, which was just recently released. I actually set up a couple of times when we could talk and he never contacted me, on the two times I had set up.
So I went over to his sight a couple of weeks ago, to see if we could get a discussion going. I won't say I was ganged up on becasue it was mostly just Rob. I would say the majority of questions he asked me were nothing I could really answer other than issue in which I could offer an opinion and not fact. I was also very busy coaching my grandson's baseball and didn't have time to reply as often as he wanted me to. A loyal member here advised me I was wasting my time over there and that coaching my grandsons team would be far more rewarding, I would have to agree with him. I'm still involved in my grandsons torunaments so I am still busy doing that, and will probably shy away from the other sight. One individual contacted me from the P4t site and has been very professional in his questions, and I will probably continue to dialog with him. I felt like everytime we had a discussion I came away with a headache. Not really worth it. I still respond to most people who contact me regarding 9-11, if it is a question I can answer, or I will try to point them in the right direction. Thanks to all of those who have supported me on this site. I enjoy talking about 9-11 and trying to just set the record straight on what I dealt with that day. There were mistakes made, but I never saw an ounce of evidence with the people I worked with that day that indicated to me that there was a military standown, or that the FAA was some how involved in a cover up. For those interested I was interviewed by Michael Rudin of the BBC about a month ago for a documentary that the BBC is putting on, on the tenth anniversary. Don't know if it will be shown state side or not. |
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8th July 2011, 11:39 AM | #19 |
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Would that be the one discussed here? http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=213238 ...where they actually convinced a CTer that it wasn't an inside job? Because that would be cool! |
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8th July 2011, 12:18 PM | #20 |
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8th July 2011, 02:10 PM | #21 |
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Why wouldn't Pilots for Truth use their mailing list to trash opponents?
They're certainly not using it to coordinate the authoring of peer-review-worthy technical papers presenting their position. And if all you use a mailing list for is fund raising, the recipients will eventually stop reading your emails. So it's trash your opponent, or kitten pictures, forwarded jokes, and links to Cracked articles. Under the circumstances they probably made the best decision possible. Respectfully, Myriad |
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8th July 2011, 02:40 PM | #22 |
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To anyone who has first hand information about 911.
You would probably be treated the same way as Cheap Shot was if interviewed by Pilots for truth. So what is the point of having anything to do with them? They are not after facts, as facts do not support their case. |
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When I first 'met' CPt'n Bob he lived in Knoxville. When he and CIT first put me on their 'enemies list', I extended an invitation for him to visit Memphis so we could meet face-to-face and buy the guy a cup of coffee (or beer). My home address and telephone number are not state secrets. I post them regularly on the web. I even drove through Knoxville on numerous occasions on the way to DC and would have been happy to meet up with him.
To date, none of them are man enough to meet me in person. So, coward pretty much sums it up |
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10th July 2011, 04:40 PM | #26 |
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Who's basement is the scumbag living in now?
Originally Posted by Douche Bag Bob
Then he does this:
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10th July 2011, 06:02 PM | #27 |
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How is it that these sad people call themselves 'truthers' when they are so obviously not looking at the truth? So full of fail.
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13th July 2011, 11:09 AM | #28 |
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I loved this quote from Balsamo-
Originally Posted by Rob Balsamo
BTW, I'm sure that Cheap Shot is genuinely touched by Rob's concern that the NWO doesn't eliminate him like they did Barry Jennings. |
13th July 2011, 11:15 AM | #29 |
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Apparently not. By Robby's words above it would appear that they believe that Gallop's problem lies not with her legal representation but with a system that is unfairly stacked against her. |
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This is true. I think this link needs to be re-posted of "Cheap Shot" not talking about 9/11
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13th July 2011, 12:43 PM | #31 |
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Balsamo is a scumbag.
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Originally Posted by AssHat Bob
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13th July 2011, 07:40 PM | #33 |
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The NWO had to find more uses for the Space Platform *Thingie that the "Dustification death ray" sits on (ironically enough it was just sitting there collecting dust). Just a few software tweaks turned it into a leukemia ray. Then Agent Dick (redacted) got the idea of an earthquake ray into his head and now they can't seem to tear him away from the damned thing.
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13th July 2011, 09:37 PM | #34 |
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Balsamo is nuts.
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Rob tired to get hitch his wagon to the April Gallop lawsuit by saying he took his claims to court. Of course he did nothing of the sort. With this mountain of evidence he supposedly has you can only come to two conclusions. He either is not that confident that it would stand up in court or he rather try to make a quick buck off it.
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I had a look at the so-called *intercept* and it looks simply as though it's a consequence of the re-routing going on due to the events in NY.
I'm generating a view to show behaviour of the other aircraft, but I suggest cheapshot has a look at the rades data to see if he can shed any light on what aircraft were using the relevant transponder ID's. I tried to have a discussion with johndoeXLC on YT (who uploaded the video) but as I was not agreeing with him, I'm now blocked If cheapshot wants to use the resources to follow (soon-ish) no problem. |
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