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29th July 2011, 08:27 AM | #41 |
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You are the one spreading moronic lies, so calling rational people liars is another lie. Do you get extra credit from your 911 truth handlers for calling people who understand 911 liars while you spread lies?
Indicative of your grasp of physics, you have no clue what quote-mining is. You were shown what quote-mining is, and you still have no idea what it is, as you do it. Then you have no clue why it is not quote-mining when someone included the whole quote for meaning. Why don' you understand? Then you post this... A guide on how to quote-mine. You posted a guide on how to quote-mine. You messed up, in your explosives quote-mining video, they actually presented rational explanations for why you hear explosions in fires. You must of missed it in your hast to make up idiotic inside job claims. |
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The only "explosions" for which this provides evidence is cars cooking off. We have numenrous accounts of that, including Karen Deshore's oral history, which punk boy MacQueen somehow thinks is evidence of bombs.
The fire fighters covered in dust and blood were caught in the collapse of one of the towers and could not have seen the video of what happened before they were interviewed. Find them and ask them now if they still think the same thing. |
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And EXPLOSIONS does NOT mean BOMBS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhExznMuME http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCpBQ...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeH1W...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4XPx...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiNdu...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEnNx...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V3OZ...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy6UXxhzYlk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQGMUR_bwaQ ^^power transformers exploding, I wonder how many electronics were in all those buildings....man... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjrR_SX4aBg ^^ compressed AIR explosion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycetd...eature=related ^^ capacitors exploding Fires cause explosions. Explosions, again, does NOT mean there had to be bombs. |
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Yes, I thought so too.
Especially the testimony from both firefighters and police that there were concerns about bombs, including two or three reports describing a below-ground explosion. 9/11 fakers always try to claim that there were no concerns among first responders about bombs. That's simply false, as several of the oral histories also confirm. One wonders how 9/11 fakers have the audacity to outright lie about testimony from the people who were actually there. I can't think of a more offensive disregard for those who lived through those events. |
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Ergo,
If there was such a concern among FDNY, why did not one firefighter get on a radio and order any kind of exculsion zone? Not one. Not. One. Listen to the radio recordings. Not one. |
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So why do you lie, Ergo? Why do you have such offensive disregard for those who lived through these events.
I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run.Why do you accuse these men of lying Ergo? They were there, you were not. |
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Did I just wake up in 2006 again? Holy crap...
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Again, the problem is not with what we say abvout the oral histories, since many of those of us laughing at you are veteran fire fighters, but instead, with the wierd way in which you have misread what the fire fighters on the scene said or the circumstances under which they observed certain phenomena.
You're basicly acting like a Neanderthaler explaining laurel leaf blades to a Roman. |
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Where have I accused them of lying? And why are you talking about Building 7 fires here? We are talking about explosions.
Why are half of these quotes not verifiable because they're defunct web pages? Why are you simply copying and pasting from the wtc7lies quote mining site? Do you have any clue what point you're trying to make? |
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No, I think most can see the problem here is that you only acknowledge testimony that supports, however sketchily, your own arguments and you ignore or try to obscure the abundance of other testimony that contradicts that.
This is actually the whole problem with 9/11 "debunking" in general. Most of it is lying. |
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Fixed that for you.
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Why don't you do the research and check the sources I've provided first and see if I really left out anything relevant. It's amazing how people in your movement see this as proof of explosives but reject the witnesses who saw that plane hit the Pentagon. You only believe the witnesses who benefit your agenda while conviniently ignore the ones that dont.
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A few statistics I'd like to share as I'm sure you must be proud to support honest, genuine, unaltered, full testimony. A truth seeker would never try to intentionally leave out important context at all as you, the honorable truth seeker must know. Out of 11 firefighter statements you used to "prove the existence of explosions" it seems 7 statements, or roughly 63.63% of the statements you provided were missing context which when left out, completely changes the meaning of said witness statements. Surely, being the truth seeker you are, you would be interested in clearing up any misunderstanding such an error has undoubtably caused. Afterall, it's not like you took any of this from some... kook site, that would rather readers not see the complete statements in their unaltered form. Don't mind good old me... I'm simply being a good semaratan... finding all of the complete quotes and clarifying the things you
I mean afterall only idiots would ever post a series of quotations and not expect someone to be able to find full quotations and context in a few quick google searches... Oh! Not that this applies to anyone here in this page of course! |
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I suppose this is worth mentioning as well.
Waybackwhen Archive is useful for dredging some of the sources which no longer work, as was the case for Visconti's testimony for example: Visconti: http://web.archive.org/web/200210250.../visconti.html While not perfect, it does allow you to gain access and verify the content and compare it with what's been posted on the other site. For example, The full paragraph pulled from the archive can be compared with what's currently on wtclies: From the archive: "I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run." From WTC lies: I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. hmm, it seems nothing was altered except for the name in "[]" to add clarity. Unlike bill smith's excerpts which are missing anywhere between a few words, to entire paragraphs of content in more than half of the quotations he cited. Of course, if you still think wtclies is a quote mining website, you're more than free to use the waybackwhen archive to verify content and compare it for at least some of the links which are now defunct. Of course, indications are, you'll have a difficult time matching wtclies's stats with bill smiths whopping 63% of quotes missing material to the extent that their entire meaning changes as a result. I can care less about the into vs onto semantics you keep getting side swiped with, but one thing that bears noting is that while such an argument may be trivially boring and something I can't (at least in my opinion) see the point of engaging in; it seems you don't know the meaning of quote-mining; or par for the course, maybe you know what it is, but you'd rather make unsupported accusations to accompany the typical "beetard or "beedunker" insults under the guise that finding the source quotes is impossible, despite that not being the case. |
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I will give you an example of how it is, in fact your camp that is doing that. Take idiot boy MacQueen's analysis of statements regarding "explosions" to fit his own batcrap crazy theory about bombs. He quotes Karen Deshore about explosions on the street in front of the north tower and her first impression that there were bombs in the sewers. Deshore, of course follows that immediately to state that she realized almost at once that it was cars cooking off. Ondrovic left the building by the same route, saw the same thing happening, and also formed the impression that someone was pushing buttons and blowing stuff up around her. It is difficult to tell whether she ever grasped what was happening. But that dingy monk counts the statements of both women to mean that there were explosives detonating on the streets. The useless drongo should go back to the monastery and read the Tripitaka and stay out of political affairs. There is no place for jerks like him in forensic discussion. This is actually the whole problem with 9/11 twoofery in general. Most of it is garbage. |
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That is an absolutely stunning gesture bill smith! There is no need to be modest in admitting that you made a terrible mistake. It's only natural that you would be angered at your original source for completely changing the meaning of the quotes through omission. It was nothing short of dishonest of them to try and trick you into saying things you might otherwise have never supported.
I'm glad that from now on, you'll be more careful in your selection of sources. Afterall truth should never have to be revealed by omission, but you already know this. |
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Instead of posting the statements "as you have them" I would suggest copying them from their original sources in full and linking to them without relying on others to do that work for you. Not only is that more honest, but I suspect you'll have a difficult time finding anything you can claim is support for the explosive demolition theory.
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Twoofers lie through their teeth. News at 11.
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