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1st August 2011, 06:52 AM | #81 |
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Where in Deshore's testimony does she say that after seeing the flashes and hearing the pops around the bldg that she realized it was cars cooking off? You're most likely confusing her report of arriving on the scene to see a "car" already on fire before the S. Tower collapses and before she sees the flashes around the N. Tower before the second collapse.
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I don't know what he's referencing either. I'm not familiar with the exact testimony or contents thereof, and just started reading it to get an idea of what thestimony covered. Apparently it's one of those witness statements used for proving explosives that isn't modified and requires a more comprehensive reading of the interview to get a better picture. Based on statements like these:
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If this is as compelling as you apparently must believe it is, then I have to question why more than half of Bill smith's quote offerings were altered so heavily to attain the same apparent effect; and why it has to be repeated by others in his group. As always the original content can be found here: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110192.PDF Some of the quotes on this post may noit be exact... the pdf content wasn't copying cleanly when I pasted it over for the quotes. |
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It's one thing to point out someone's mistake, it's another to berate and namecall as Lefty was doing and then commit the error he was accusing McQueen of. Lefty is confused. To whit:
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I looked for the statement Macqueen used that is most common and the one I posted came up. The name calling may be bad taste but as he correctly points out Macqueen analyzes the testimony to mean that bombs were present, when a complete reading of the oral history indicates otherwise. Regardless of whether he's "twoofer" or not that's disingenuous practice. If that were the only one he used and interpreted then that might be one thing; he does it with multiple statements however, not just Deshore
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MacQueen uses Ondrovic's statements that there were explosions coming up from the ground as though there were somebody pushing buttons to set off bombs to support a position that there was somebody pushing buttons. But Deshore and Ondrovic were in the same location and Deshore expalins the blasts at gorund level as cars cooking off. Deshore's position appears the more accurate to me for two reasons. Cars were burning, and they do cook off if nobody fights the fires. Deshore was in a more focused mental state than Ondrovic. Ondrovic FREAKED.
Bear in mind that when Deshore describes the collapse of the second tower, she had a lost of caustic, irritating foreign material in her eyes, so she wasn't seeing very clearly. As for lights popping around the collapse zone, bear in mind that the collapse of the north tower did express a great deal of flame on all sides. This is not in the slightest bit unusual or unexpected when numerous floors involved in a serious fire start collapsing on top of each other. Stating that it sounded like an explosion says bloody little. When we encounter an event or object or livin g organism of any sort for the first time, we all tend to place it is categories which we have already encountered. An "explosion" would seem to fit, if you do not know how big the fires were. |
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Ok, this is the second time I'm asking you to post the quote that makes you think that the blasts Deshore reports were from the cars cooking off. I already explained that you have the sequence wrong. Now, if you purposely misrepresent what Capt. Deshore says, you are intentionally lying.
Again, the car that Deshore sees burning occurs before either bldg collapses. The flashes and popping that she sees and hears around the N. Tower happen much after she sees the car burning, after the collapse of the S. Tower. When you do decide to provide a quote, make sure you use the page numbers from this document. http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...IC/9110192.PDF |
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Okay, idiot boy MacQueen uses Rivera's description of a sound "like bombs going off" to support the theory that there were bombs.
Rivera could not see what was happening outside, but it should be clear to anyone with a room temp IQ that he is describing what he heard when the south tower collapsed. It did not sound at all like demolitions charges outside. Those who only experienced it as sound and impact thought it was one singular blast. That is was not an HE blast is demonstrated in that they can mostly still hear. Stupid of the mind-numbed monk to present that as evidence. |
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