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Old 28th April 2016, 05:57 PM   #401
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
To my point, why do many truthers make a fuss about Millette not igniting chips in a DSC. According to the interview done by Adrian Charters some years ago with Harrit, Harrit states that he had both dead and inactive thermitic chips. If ignition of the chips was so important in determining if a chip was thermitic or not, how in the world can Harrit claim he had DEAD THERMITIC chips? That means they didn't ignite. Wouldn't that make them paint or some other substance? Harrit even went on to speculate that exposure to water may have caused them to become non-igniting.

Like I have always said, Harrit had a preconceived notion that ALL the red/gray chips attracted to a magnet were thermitic, which is why all his tests were not done on every chip. For example, they tested one chip for resitivity and applied that result to ALL the red/gray, magnetically attracted chips. You can only do that if you assume all the chips are the same and just want to prove WHAT they are.

Harrit was not trying to discover WHAT the chips were, he was out to prove they were some form of thermite. HE ASSUMED from the very beginning that the red/gray, magnetically attracted chips were some form of thermite and that he just needed to try and show that SOME of the chips had the same properties as thermite. They could then take those results and slap them on ALL the chips, which is exactly what they did.

Harrit is of the belief, after publishing his paper, that all red/gray, magnetically attracted chips are thermitic. That is why he passed around a bag of dust at one of his conferences along with a magnet and told the folks there to drag the magnet across the bag and you'll collect the red/gray, thermitic chips that they were going to talk about. I have not heard Harrit say anything (if I am wrong, someone please point it out) about finding non-thermitic red/gray, magnetically attracted chips. I have never heard him say that any of the chips, after selection with a magnet, tested NEGATIVE for any of the tests that he used to show the chips were thermitic.

Again, the interview with Adrian Charters and Harrit proves that the DSC ignition test is NOT needed for determining if a chip is thermtic or not as Harrit claimed to have both dead (non-igniting) and active (igniting) thermitic chips.

Just my thoughts on this matter.
Truthers are not very smart, if the chips are deactivated by water, that would mean the reaction is triggered by reduced Iron not a thermite reaction at all.
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Old 28th April 2016, 06:11 PM   #402
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
To my point, why do many truthers make a fuss about Millette not igniting chips in a DSC. According to the interview done by Adrian Charters some years ago with Harrit, Harrit states that he had both dead and inactive thermitic chips. If ignition of the chips was so important in determining if a chip was thermitic or not, how in the world can Harrit claim he had DEAD THERMITIC chips? That means they didn't ignite. Wouldn't that make them paint or some other substance? Harrit even went on to speculate that exposure to water may have caused them to become non-igniting.
Funny. You'd think that the Vast Conspiracy would be smart enough to use just plain thermite, which as Sunstealer notes, burns underwater. But apparently they devised a form that is deactivated by water! Shouldn't they have known that it would be used where automatic sprinklers would be activated?
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Old 29th April 2016, 03:39 AM   #403
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Funny. You'd think that the Vast Conspiracy would be smart enough to use just plain thermite, which as Sunstealer notes, burns underwater. But apparently they devised a form that is deactivated by water! Shouldn't they have known that it would be used where automatic sprinklers would be activated?

They must have counted on the impact knocking out the water supply to the sprinklers, and on the floors where sprinklers were active, they must have given the thermite rain coats.
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****Bump****

Just to keep it on the first page.

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Old 23rd May 2016, 10:59 PM   #405
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Apparently the latest update is that Richard Gage is aware that money has been raised and no independent study has taken place.

I wonder if the paid spokesperson will take charge and get the study carried out ?
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Old 24th May 2016, 11:44 AM   #406
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
Apparently the latest update is that Richard Gage is aware that money has been raised and no independent study has taken place.

I wonder if the paid spokesperson will take charge and get the study carried out ?
Rumor has it that Ziggi is spokesman for Basile, Rick Shaddock/ANETA has done the fundraising, and Richard Gage/AE911Truth is somehow the umbrella to it all, but Gage has fired Shaddock from AE911T, and Shaddock has fired Ziggi from ANETA.
This leaves Basile motion-and speechless in his basement somewhere in New Hampshire, with phone and data lines mostly disconnected.
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Old 26th June 2016, 03:49 AM   #407
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Another month gone by with no sign of life, and the money kept away from both donors and independent labs.

The fraud lives.
Basile I am not so sure.
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Old 26th June 2016, 03:58 AM   #408
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Another month gone by with no sign of life, and the money kept away from both donors and independent labs.

The fraud lives.
Basile I am not so sure.
Overdosed most likely on beer and weed.
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Old 29th June 2016, 07:20 PM   #409
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
Apparently the latest update is that Richard Gage is aware that money has been raised and no independent study has taken place.

I wonder if the paid spokesperson will take charge and get the study carried out ?
Where does Gage say that?
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Old 29th June 2016, 09:47 PM   #410
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Avery scamming money from truthers
Basile scamming money from truthers
Gage scamming money from truthers

Scumbags each and every one of them.
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Old 30th June 2016, 05:45 AM   #411
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Avery scamming money from truthers
Basile scamming money from truthers
Gage scamming money from truthers

Scumbags each and every one of them.
Now now, every dime that they take from the truthers is one dime that could have went into
a truther, breeding and having more defendants, or a life.
IF you think about it, they are doing a public service by suppressing the damage that inferior truther DNA would be causing to the Human Gene pool.
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Old 30th June 2016, 08:35 AM   #412
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
Now now, every dime that they take from the truthers is one dime that could have went into
a truther, breeding and having more defendants, or a life.
IF you think about it, they are doing a public service by suppressing the damage that inferior truther DNA would be causing to the Human Gene pool.
LOL Good point!
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Old 30th June 2016, 06:13 PM   #413
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
LOL Good point!
Just think if not for Gage, Basile, and the other frauds, your great great great, grand daughter or grand son might marry a truther. With Gage picking truther pocket that has less of a chance of occurring.
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Bump for Ziggi. This question was put to him in another thread where it was off-topic.

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I'll answer your question as soon as you address the concerns about the Basile study. You are the spokes person, right?

What happened to the study and money?
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Old 23rd July 2016, 01:22 PM   #415
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Avery scamming money from truthers
Basile scamming money from truthers
Gage scamming money from truthers

Scumbags each and every one of them.
Attacking the integrity of those individuals without providing supporting evidence, only reveals the level of your desperation.
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Old 23rd July 2016, 01:46 PM   #416
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Attacking the integrity of those individuals without providing supporting evidence, only reveals the level of your desperation.
There's tons of evidence.

How about you stop being so lazy and use the search function provided by this forum?

You might want to try that before embarrassing yourself any further.
Oh wait, you're a twoofer that bridge was crossed long ago.

How's that new investigation coming champ? 15 years of failure coming up!!!

Now I notice you took the time to reply to my post, yet strangely missed this one:

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I'll answer your question as soon as you address the concerns about the Basile study. You are the spokes person, right?

What happened to the study and money?
You do know everyone can see you dodging this right???

Why don't you contact that moron Miragememories, maybe he has an answer.

Let us know

We'll be here waiting.
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
There's tons of evidence.
Was it Gage that slammed a cardboard box onto a longer cardboard box and claimed it represented something to do with the WTC collapses?

It might have been in a debate with Gravy. Anyway, if that's correct then, yes, right there there's evidence that Gage is a total con artist. Or incorrigibly ignorant. One or the other.
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Old 23rd July 2016, 02:35 PM   #418
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
There's tons of evidence.
Was it Gage that slammed a cardboard box onto a longer cardboard box and claimed it represented something to do with the WTC collapses?

It might have been in a debate with Gravy. Anyway, if that's correct then, yes, right there there's evidence that Gage is a total con artist. Or incorrigibly ignorant. One or the other.

Yep, as seen here in the trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM

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The full show in 2 parts (The Gage box stuff is at the end of part 2)

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And of course one of my favorite Dick Gage audio clips on threm*te and demo charges:

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Attacking the integrity of those individuals without providing supporting evidence, only reveals the level of your desperation.
The lies they spread are the evidence; the massive failure to prove CD, thermite and the inside job; that leaves 9/11 truth, and you as a follower, at a level of complete desperation and failure. The claims you support are evidence free fantasy.

911 Truth has no integrity, 911 truth has lies.
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Attacking the integrity of those individuals without providing supporting evidence, only reveals the level of your desperation.

It is a well-known fact that Truthers have been taken for a ride to the cleaners by 9/11 conspiracy websites. Let's take AE911Truth as an example.


The Shaky Moral Foundation that AE911Truth is Built Upon

We reported about Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (ae911truth.org) in episode 16 of our audio reports. We worked for them as their systems administrators for almost two years. As a high-level administrator inside the organization, I witnessed a stunning degree of mismanagement and I was privy to everything.

In a sense, this aspect of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth may be the most troubling one for some individuals, because a non-profit organization (501c3) is not supposed to have secret agendas or spend its money in a manner that is not disclosed to outsiders, including the very people who are donating to the "charity".

* Richard Gage has an average $60,000 salary for his charity work at the supposed non-profit organization.

http://healthwyze.org/tidbits/590-th...-is-built-upon
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Was it Gage that slammed a cardboard box onto a longer cardboard box and claimed it represented something to do with the WTC collapses?
Twice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVi4qbN2jM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
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In fairness, I don't believe he thinks this represents reality. He is simply playing to what he thinks is the mental capacity of his followers.


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In fairness, I don't believe he thinks this represents reality. He is simply playing to what he thinks is the mental capacity of his followers.


I think you just described AE911T'S entire platform.
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. He is simply playing to what he thinks is the mental capacity of his followers.




He is not alone. "Stick in the comfort zone" is the catch cry of the year.

Let's all play "Whack-a-Mole" ESPECIALLY when trolling provides a constant source of long dead moles.

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Attacking the integrity of those individuals without providing supporting evidence, only reveals the level of your desperation.
You don't have to attack something they never had.
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I have talked to at least one person recently who has been in direct contact with Mark Basile. It is not likely that Mark has sufficient respect for your work (play?) that he would dare trust you with a private update.
It has been a full two (2) YEARS now since Mark Basile informed the public that he was in the process of finishing chip separation and would, within few months, select the most suitable chips and send them to independent labs. He promised to make all expenses public once money is being spent.


So Criteria, what did you hear about this from at least one person recently?
Has Basile found no suitable specimens?
Or has he broken his promise to do an independent study by sending them to independent labs?
Or has he broken his promise to do public accounting?

Or did at least one person fail to remind Basile that he is more than 1.5 years behind, and appears to be defrauding his donors?

Please give us an update!
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Please give us an update!
In fairness, it takes up a lot of time herding the crickets over at "Do Over Dylan Avery's ghost town forums"!

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Here's an even better idea.

How about taking those dust samples and separating out both red primer paint chips AND red thermitic chips.

Anyone ever done that yet? Should be easy to do right?
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I have talked to at least one person recently who has been in direct contact with Mark Basile. [...]
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So Criteria, what did you hear about this from at least one person recently?
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My reading of Criteria's words is that he has talked to at least one person who claims to have been in direct contact with Mark Basile, and Criteria has believed that person. By my reading, that person might be Ziggi. A number of people in this forum have also talked to Ziggi so that's not really saying much, unless Criteria specifies what he means exactly.
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Here's an even better idea.

How about taking those dust samples and separating out both red primer paint chips AND red thermitic chips.

Anyone ever done that yet? Should be easy to do right?

Yes indeed, it was easy and I might add that is not the way thermite is used.


No Thermite Found

The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn't find thermitic material. Other sampling of the pulverized dust by United States Geological Survey and RJ Lee did not report any evidence of thermite or explosives. It has been theorized the "thermite material" found was primer paint.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-14665953


LaClede Standard Primer

“Iron oxide” is hematite, chemical formula Fe2O3, a red pigment. Hematite pigments are bright red at particle sizes between 100 and 300 nanometers, and in that size it is universally used in all kinds of paints.

“Aluminium Silicate” is kaolin, chemical formula Al2Si2O5(OH)4, a clay mineral very commonly used in paints to control gloss consistence. Kaolin appears naturally in platetelets some micrometers across and some tens of nanometers thick, which tend to stack.

composition

* Pigment: 28.5% by weight

* Iron Oxide: 55%

* Aluminium Silicate: 41%

* Strontium Chromate: 4%

* Vehicle: 71.5%

* Epoxy Amine and other: 100%

http://oystein-debate.blogspot.com/2...-standard.html


Red-Gray Chips Tested and Determined Not to Be Thermite


The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.

There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.

http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/...aper/index.htm

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Bump for Ziggi. This question was put to him in another thread where it was off-topic.
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I'll answer your question as soon as you address the concerns about the Basile study. You are the spokes person, right?

What happened to the study and money?
Dear Georgio, I hardly ever check out this sad forum these days and apparently neither do the people that used to do it for me and send me updates, so leaving a question for me on the forum is not likely to get a response - if you have serious questions for me then email me at ziggizugam@gmail.com

For the record, JM Talboo and I of "debunkingthedebunkers" have taken care of the fundraising for and promotion of Mark Basile´s independent study, and as such we have been the spokespersons for that effort. I presume that Mr. Basile will be his own spokesperson once the study is ready for the public.

Mr. Basile received a new dust sample several months ago and his study of WTC dust and specific chips therein has been on-going in his spare time all this time - and some of this inquiry has included the use of new equipment.

An independent lab will receive samples for independent testing at some point but the money will most likely not be accounted for until it has all been spent. Some of it may have been spent already.

We do realize that this has taken a lot longer than initial plans but our money donors have all remained patient, and we do know that the wait will be well worth it.
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We do realize that this has taken a lot longer than initial plans but our money donors have all remained patient, and we do know that the wait will be well worth it.
Gee, does that mean that truthers will never again kvetch about the length of time it took for NIST to complete the WTC7 final report?
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Old 24th August 2016, 10:10 PM   #433
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Dear Georgio, I hardly ever check out this sad forum these days and apparently neither do the people that used to do it for me and send me updates, so leaving a question for me on the forum is not likely to get a response - if you have serious questions for me then email me at ziggizugam@gmail.com

For the record, JM Talboo and I of "debunkingthedebunkers" have taken care of the fundraising for and promotion of Mark Basile´s independent study, and as such we have been the spokespersons for that effort. I presume that Mr. Basile will be his own spokesperson once the study is ready for the public.

Mr. Basile received a new dust sample several months ago and his study of WTC dust and specific chips therein has been on-going in his spare time all this time - and some of this inquiry has included the use of new equipment.

An independent lab will receive samples for independent testing at some point but the money will most likely not be accounted for until it has all been spent. Some of it may have been spent already.

We do realize that this has taken a lot longer than initial plans but our money donors have all remained patient, and we do know that the wait will be well worth it.
Thank you for the update, but I hope that the people responsible for the delay knows that they are not acting like humans on planet Earth. After ingesting some strange fungi a couple of months ago, I pondered how obvious it seems that Mark could have simply given up on the project and accepted the paint theory. The demolition advocates should want to be the scientists they wished the government scientists could be. It really doesn't come across that Mark and friends believe they may be sitting on one of the biggest scientific discoveries of all time.
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Old 25th August 2016, 12:19 AM   #434
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Originally Posted by Ziggi View Post
Dear Georgio, I hardly ever check out this sad forum these days and apparently neither do the people that used to do it for me and send me updates, so leaving a question for me on the forum is not likely to get a response - if you have serious questions for me then email me at ziggizugam@gmail.com

For the record, JM Talboo and I of "debunkingthedebunkers" have taken care of the fundraising for and promotion of Mark Basile´s independent study, and as such we have been the spokespersons for that effort. I presume that Mr. Basile will be his own spokesperson once the study is ready for the public.

Mr. Basile received a new dust sample several months ago and his study of WTC dust and specific chips therein has been on-going in his spare time all this time - and some of this inquiry has included the use of new equipment.

An independent lab will receive samples for independent testing at some point but the money will most likely not be accounted for until it has all been spent. Some of it may have been spent already.

We do realize that this has taken a lot longer than initial plans but our money donors have all remained patient, and we do know that the wait will be well worth it.
So he still intends to send the thermite to a lab, just a soon as he can find some, huh.
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Old 25th August 2016, 03:05 AM   #435
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So he still intends to send the thermite to a lab, just a soon as he can find some, huh.
Or make some, at this point it is irrelevant, if there had been any unnatural material in the
Dust samples it should have been easy to spot if it was significant.
Basile's Credibility is shot, as is Ziggi's.

Nothing can now ever come of this.
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Old 25th August 2016, 03:47 AM   #436
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Why does this take so long? and cost so much?
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Why does this take so long? and cost so much?
Because truthers got their buts kicked in the microspheres debate, tried paint chip trickery and failed.
The first thing that needs to be done if the study comes back positive, for thermite is lock upmJones and the rest for withholding evidence, the studies he refused to release.
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Is there a robust chain of custody for the dust sample?
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Old 25th August 2016, 08:42 AM   #439
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"It really doesn't come across that Mark and friends believe they may be sitting on one of the biggest scientific discoveries of all time."
History shows a lot of resistance to controversial scientific discoveries.

Because his findings supported Copernican science and conflicted with Aristotelian science, Galileo was convicted of suspicion of heresy and sentenced to a lifetime house arrest.

Today the state has so much power under the guise of National Security, there is very little protection from the whims of those in charge of threat assessment and response.

Today the Internet makes easy targets of those who, without the crutch of anonymity, publicly express controversial research.

When mild-mannered chemist Mark Basile got involved in researching nano-thermite, he, like other researchers, was not prepared for the personal cost.

If the mainstream media was not such a slave to job security and greed, they would have smitten questions like nano-thermite years ago.

How hard do you believe it would be for CBS to have obtained 9/11 WTC Ground Zero dust for a 60 MINUTES segment.

The lab costs would be a minor entry in the budget.

If the nano-thermite findings by Dr.Harrit et al cannot be reproduced independently, than that finding loses its legitimacy.

One of the two big smoking guns of 9/11 could be laid to rest.

Thanks to growing organizations like AE911Truth, few people are unaware of the continuing controversy surrounding 9/11.

My point is, the ratings for such News stories would be expected to be quite good, read profitable.

Stories like nano-thermite and the high speed collapse of WTC7 remain ignored or are scripted using pre-determined, unproven conclusions.

Oddly, profit and fame-motivated TV News producers avoid quality investigations into 9/11 truth claims.

Most certainly chemist Mark Basile never sought the suffocating attention that comes from being in the public eye.

It should be no cause for wonder that sincere individuals like Mark Basile, now avoid additional publicity about their works-in-progress.

At the end of the day, I expect that Mark Basile will either finish what he started or bow under the pressure and return all the money to his supporters.

It certainly is not enough money to tempt him, or any other working professional into ruining their professional and personal reputations.
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History shows a lot of resistance to controversial scientific discoveries.

Because his findings supported Copernican science and conflicted with Aristotelian science, Galileo was convicted of suspicion of heresy and sentenced to a lifetime house arrest.
No evidence that any "truther" scientist is close to Galileo in term s of ability.

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Today the Internet makes easy targets of those who, without the crutch of anonymity, publicly express controversial research.
Kind of like "truthers" with Bazant, NIST scientists, etc...
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