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30th December 2016, 01:11 PM | #641 |
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Niels Harrit: "I do not actually understand why they fire insulates steel structures. It just slows the heating of the steel by one hour. There must be money in it." |
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30th December 2016, 01:27 PM | #643 |
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Hehe Josarhus, well spotted!
I had the exact same thought - to check the 2015+16 proposals - 20 minutes ago, and just posted a first result (links to the proposals, and to our 2015+16 threads) in the AIA 2017 thread. |
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31st December 2016, 04:39 PM | #644 |
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So this thread was created in March 2014 and we're about to enter a the brand new year of 2017, still no study after all this time.
I wonder if anyone who was dumb enough to donate money to this scam has considered calling the relevant authorities to see about getting their money back and having Mark Basile, along with Ziggi, charged with theft and/or fraud. |
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20th January 2017, 09:12 AM | #648 |
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Ziggi, two weeks ago:
http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2017...continues.html "On December 27, 2016, I had a short phone conversation with Mr. Mark Basile. He continues to work on his red/gray chip study in his spare time and he will contact us as soon as he is ready to write up some results - which he hopes to do in a few months time. We apologize for the delays and thank our supporters for their patience. The results will be worth the wait. Finally, we would like to remind readers that new WTC dust samples are welcome in case anyone knows about a possible supply."This documents three facts:
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4. Mark Basile "continues to work on his red/gray chip study in his spare time and he will contact us as soon as he is ready to write up some results - which he hopes to do in a few months time".
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20th January 2017, 09:36 AM | #652 |
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Is there any reason to believe an "update" from Ziggi is reliable?
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This is getting a bit like the Brilliant Light and Power thread - there are some impressive results due in a couple of months, and they've been due in a couple of months for the last few years. Definitely not a scam to fleece the gullible, no way.
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The question from his supporters should be, what are you testing for?
Mark only had to separate out candidate chips, the independent lab would do all the tests. The criterion for separation is defined in the original paper. |
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Jam tomorrow.
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It's now January 2017, and still no evidence from Mark Basile.
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21st January 2017, 12:51 AM | #665 |
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You are forgetting the deal: People have sent him $5000 so he would NOT do the work himself. The deal was, he would separate candidate red-gray chips and send them to an independent lab!
Please acknowledge a) That $5000 were solicited on the premise that it be spent on independent labs b) That Ziggi doesn't mentioned independent labs any longer. Please explain how b) squares with a)! |
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21st January 2017, 06:10 AM | #666 |
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Well, doing some amateur tests by himself would allow him to keep the money... just an idea.
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He might just want to buy some red chips and send them to a lab and confirm thermite.
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March 2014
In a post moved to AAH for other reasons, Ziggi stated
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At some point between originally stating the intention to produce an independent report, and the present (January 2017), Basile noticed it would take as long as it has. We can narrow it down a bit more since Ziggi did not mention this in 2014 or 2015, that the difficulties were not noticed until sometime in 2016 or very early in 2017. OR, maybe it was noticed but not stated until this month. If there is a third choice I will stand corrected. On the assumption that this is a proper dichotomy they beg further questions. If no one realized it would take at least three years then an explanation as to why this does not indicate incompetance is required. AND If it was understood at an earlier than the past year but not voiced, then it begs the question as to why it wasn't. Surely Ziggi will be addressing this soon (my word so let me define "soon". "Within the next two weeks" seems to me a very generous definition of soon in this case) |
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In April 2014 Basile claimed test were already being done by "independent lab technicians".
No update on what tests or results. No progress at all reported since then. |
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The April post also shows the first departure from the original study plan. A departure that did not go unnoticed on this site. (see post #8)
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http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...ate=2017-01-21
I don't have a capture from 2014. Rick is very afraid of the wayback machine and has it blocked. https://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/...nate/index.htm |
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Has there ever been a public accounting of the moneys raised? It occurs to me that the "project" may have oversubscribed a la The Producers. They may have collected many times more that $5,000. There are more than enough
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See the first link in my previous post.
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Thanks pgimeno, DGM, benthamitemetric for the citations.
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22nd January 2017, 07:11 AM | #679 |
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In a post that was moved to AAH from another thread, where it was off-topic, Ziggi (who was just suspended for a week) made the following claim:
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I certainly never promised a "published reviewed paper", for I never was in direct contact with Millette and had no control over this. To the best of my recollection, Chris Mohr never "promised" a reviewed paper, only a lab report. He did relay the information that Millette wanted to publish a paper on WTC dust, but that was not part of the deal and not promised when soliciting the funds. (I know of course that Ziggi, being mortally afraid to touch any of my questions, knowing each honest and straight answer would once more reveal as a fraud, will not reply. I'll score his non-reply as tacitly admitting that, once again, he boldly lied to us) |
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On the 4th of January, 2012, Chris Mohr posted an email quote from his correspondence with Dr. Millette: It certainly appears that Chris Mohr interpreted Dr. Millette’s words as a promise of more than a “lab report”. |
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