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4th December 2017, 06:57 AM | #801 |
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Ziggi,
Below is an excerpt from the "Please Help Donate" (http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/...nate/index.htm).
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4th December 2017, 07:25 AM | #802 |
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Ziggi cannot keep from lying even on the small and irrelevant details. "A day or two"? Really? You could have said "a week or so", that would have been reasonably close to the facts, order of magnitude wise. But "1 or 2 days" is just FALSE by too much of a factor to be brushed aside as "rough guess" or "you get the point".
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4th December 2017, 08:03 AM | #803 |
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The lack of self-awareness is truly astounding. He's so many years into this laughable fraud that he probably can't even remember what Mark was supposed to do at the outset or the many, many lies he and Mark have told about what Mark has been doing all these years.
His feigned indignation is quite rich. |
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4th December 2017, 10:52 AM | #806 |
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https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/261532493
Gage has taken in millions, did he fail to donate to the study of fantasy thermite. Yes, you can't produce evidence steel on 9/11 was damaged by thermite. Which is proof the study by Mark Basile is fraud. No damage to steel means no thermite was used. No rational studies on WTC dust found thermite. 16 years of lies about thermite. Okay, Jones made up thermite four years after 9/11. Pathetic thermite lie by Jones fooled you and Mark Basile. |
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4th December 2017, 11:45 AM | #807 |
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7th January 2018, 04:01 AM | #809 |
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Here is a thought.
If Mark Basil didn't have any dust and I'm not talking about the type you could buy with a few thousand dollar. Would Jones or Harrit donate their dust and have it sent to an independent lab? Perhaps Ziggy could go down that route in order to make sure that people get what they paid for. |
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7th January 2018, 01:07 PM | #811 |
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Oh, he does have dust - in 2014, the last time we saw anything from him, he showed micrographs of red/gray chips - the same he already showed in 2010. It's 2018 now.
Perhaps he is waiting, hoping that the samples go bad such that he at least can get an "inconclusive" verdict, which would allow him to not declare Harrit&Jones the fraud that that they are (and thus admit that he was complete fool, believing in the fraud for so very long). But that won't work: The usual pigments - red hematite, titanium dioxide, along with the usual fillers such as kaolin and silica, are perfectly stable, inert, and will maintain their chemistry and morphology for decades, if not centuries to come. The organic binders, such as linseed-oil, epoxy or other resins, do age, but retain their essential properties, such as the defining organic groups, for a very long time, too: Think of oil paintings that are hundreds of years old. They turn dark over time, but the oil finish is still oil finish, and every bit of such old paint is still amenable to forensic identification. |
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8th January 2018, 12:23 AM | #812 |
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What a gyp.
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30th January 2018, 04:53 PM | #813 |
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The months just march by.................
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30th January 2018, 05:10 PM | #814 |
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It's almost February 2018, the latest deadline Ziggi announced. Surely the last two months of time have allowed Mark Basile the opportunity to do the weekend's worth of work he inexplicably failed to do in the prior 46 months... I suppose we should all brace ourselves for tremendous news! Right, Ziggi? You ready to blow us away with an incredible progress report? (LOL--just kidding; I don't expect an actual progress or even a response.)
Keep up the good work, Ziggi Zuggam and Mark Basile. Don't forget to set a new false deadline for progress once March comes; otherwise, I won't know when to check back in to laugh at you. |
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1st February 2018, 06:49 PM | #815 |
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If the red/gray chips are paint, it was a wild ride while it lasted.
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1st February 2018, 08:43 PM | #816 |
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MicahJava, are you coming around? I saw you actually posting against the grain on the 911Truth subreddit too. It’d be interesting to hear what made you redirect your skepticism. You will likely be accused of being a shill now, by the way. It’s only a matter of time till you join us. I can ask my superiors if they can start cutting you checks too.
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2nd February 2018, 02:15 AM | #817 |
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6th February 2018, 05:11 AM | #820 |
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Mark Basile the master Of Fake Science.
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6th February 2018, 07:45 AM | #822 |
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With the Eagles' victory on Sunday, it seems appropriate to note that *time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping, into the future...*
That is all. Carry on preparing your bombshell February report, Ziggi Zuggam and Mark Basile. |
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15th February 2018, 10:09 AM | #823 |
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Just two weeks left in February. Since Ziggi Zugam and Mark Basile are both completely reliable, competent and trustworthy individuals, it's now only a matter of days before Ziggi keeps his promise and provides us with a major update!
How's it coming, Ziggi? Did you and Mark Basile make better use of the last two months than you had the previous 46 months? I, for one, cannot wait for your major update this month. |
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24th February 2018, 01:53 PM | #825 |
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This post from December 2nd, 2017, quoting a Ziggi blog post from December 1st:
The "major" update in February is upon us: Mark Basile Update - Raman Spectroscopy It informs us that Basile has completely broken his promises to send specimens to independent labs to perform a suite of tests - and that the "major" update is again postponed, by another two months or so (oh, and it's no longer "major"):
Originally Posted by Ziggi Zugam
[1] Mark Basile is not a chemist. [2] No one ever hyped Millette's FTIR results. [3] Millette's report has not failed in any way, shape or form. I suspect Ziggi also lies about the following (directly, or by insinuation): 4) The "paint" Basile allegedly tested has no value towards examination of WTC primer 5) Basile likely is currently procrasttinating on the write-up 6) Basile will not publish any data "soon" 7) Basile has nothing worthy of a scientific journal 8) Raman spectroscopy has no objective absolute advantages over FTIR for the purposes of this study 9) Basile has not involved any independent lab yet I feel it's necessary top point out at this time that Zugam provides absolutely ZERO evidence that Basile is doing ANY work AT ALL, or has been doing any work at all at any point in time since August 2014. In fact, he might as well have been dead for three years - Zugam's body of work is consistent with that conclusion. It could all be a long train of nothing but lies, gone on over many years, judging from the totality of evidence provided (which is none whatsoever). These people have lost all sense of shame. |
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24th February 2018, 06:27 PM | #826 |
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Is a backfire that I heard?
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25th February 2018, 08:21 AM | #827 |
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I look forward to hearing whether or not Mark Basile’s research supports the Harrit et al 2009 Bentham paper.
If his upcoming work proves lacking in scientific credibility his story will be finally over. |
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Mark Basile's delusion of thermite
There is no thermite damage to WTC steel. A study inspired by paranoid insanity of a fringe few Dr Jones Kool-Aid fanatics.
It does not matter what Mark Basile finds, it has nothing to do with the acts of 19 murderers. 19 terrorists, like 9/11 truth followers, fooled by old delusional men. |
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I am not sure what you mean by that. The Harrit et al 2009 Bentham paper (its data) does not support the Harrit et al 2009 Bentham paper (their conclusions), so what do you want to have supported? Can you spell that out?
By the way, Basile's own 2010 results proved conclusively that the chips' burning energetic cannot possibly be driven by "thermite" of any kind, for utter lack of metallic fuel. Strange that Basile missed this. Unexcusable that YOU missed it, it has been pointed out to you too many times. |
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We're all well aware of your criterion for "scientific credibility". There must be very few papers with such a blatant lack in scientific credibility as the Bentham paper, yet you accepted it. So I read that as "if it doesn't support my pre-conceived conclusions then it will prove lacking in scientific credibility, otherwise it will be fine".
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How do you keep the rubes in suspense..........
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Who cares about your heavily biased assumptions, suspicions, speculations etc etc.
Rather than waste all your time and effort carefully crafting text to appear more salient than it is, why don’t you address the science. If you feel Mark Basile’s choice of Raman Spectroscopy has no legitimacy than let’s hear your argument! |
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26th February 2018, 07:22 AM | #836 |
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Here's some science for you.
How about publish results comparing their supposed thermite chips to chips of both types of primer paint? I mean for Christ's sake! Oystein pointed out that Stephen Jones used a slide in one of his presentations that the XEDS spectrum of primer paint. Lo and behold, it matches the XEDS spectrum of an MEK sample in Harrit's paper that Harrit claims is thermite. http://oystein-debate.blogspot.com/2...paint-not.html It will be interesting to see Basile's comparisons between actual primer paint chips (both types used) from the WTC dust (this is key here) and the suspected thermite chips. A side by side comparison. I wonder why this hasn't been done yet. It's interesting that Harrit used external sources for the data he used to represent primer paint paint in his paper instead of actually testing chips he had in his hands and publishing those results. |
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As you certainly know, we here at JREF/ISF started addressing, and refuting, the "science" of Harrit et al the day after it was published. Sunstealer was the first to point out, in April 2009, that all the aluminium in those chips a-d is bound as inert aluminium silicate - a mineral called "kaolin". It's where all of the Harrit/Jones points to.
This has been confirmed by Millette in early 2012 - FTIR and TEM-SAED did the trick. I myself have been addressing, and debunking, the "science" of Harrit, Jones and Basile mainly in 2011 and 2012, helped a great deal by the late Ivan Kminek, and by Chris Mohr's work. Kudos to Sunstealer and The Almond for teaching me how to assess the methods these dorks (Jones, Ryan, Farnsworth, Farrer) employed and how to read their data. Lots of thanks to the late leftysergeant, beachnut, Dave Rogers, and plenty of others chiming in. Truthers have not recuperated from the deadly blows we delivered - none of you has been able to resurrect the silly, stupid "nano-thermite" claim from the ashes. So don't give me the "address the science" perfidy - done and sealed YEARS ago. As you must very certainly be painfully aware of. And here is the totality of your response to my claims: A Strawman. Why do Truthers fail and get entangled in Fallacies every single time they attempt to argue? Hopeless! |
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You seem to be reading this thread.
I'd like to know your take on why he's doing this test at all? He was tasked to separate out candidate chips for independent testing. Separation criteria is well defined in the supposed peer reviewed original paper. My question to you would be, as Basile is connected to the original study, what happened to the "independent"? Care to address this question or will you post up another strawman? You know my vote........ |
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My best guess...
The tests were done, and the results were negative. The money is all gone. Mark Basile is just hoping the whole thing goes away... |
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You all are so terribly pessimistic. Ziggi Zugam and Mark Basile are incredibly competent, trustworthy, diligent, and intelligent individuals. Of course they couldn't send the chips to an independent lab in 46 months or even 47 months. But we're now in month 48 and Ziggi has promised us an important update that will doubtlessly present real progress and offer a reasonable explanation for the four years of delays. (Perhaps, for example, Mark Basile's chips were stolen by insiders jobbers at the FBI and, after a series of daring escapades across the globe, Mark finally managed to trace them all the way back to the FBI's secret lair in Mt. Rushmore, only to arrive just in time to watch them be destroyed in a satanic ritual involving pizza, at which point Mark had to go back to square one and invent a time machine to gather new samples from ground zero that he could personally assure were not contaminated.)
Just wait and see--Ziggi Zugam and Mark Basile will surely come through due to their unwavering competence, trustworthiness, diligence, and intelligence. Right, Ziggi? You're about to drop that huge update on all of these doubters, aren't ya? Month 48 is the one! Just two days left, so the announcement must be coming! |
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