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Old 12th December 2009, 04:36 AM   #41
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I was rugby-tackled by a Yowie, man claims (May 26, 2009)
we need to put a lot more resources into capturing this beast. The wallabies are looking for a couple of good loose forwards.
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Old 12th December 2009, 05:27 AM   #44
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I live near ormeau, south east queensland where a yowie likes jogging next to the gold coast highway during the morning rush hour!:
Back in the mid-80s my grandparents lived in Worongary. I remember not being able to sleep after scaring myself silly reading about the Yowies supposedly living in the bush around the Hinterland.

Its amazing that the stories keep circulating.
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In a brief fit of serious, do we seem to be narrowing the origins of Yowie stories down to SE Queensland and the Border Ranges?

I never heard of them as a kid in Sydney. Bunyips and drop-bears were all you had to worry about down there.
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Old 12th December 2009, 09:27 AM   #46
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we need to put a lot more resources into capturing this beast. The wallabies are looking for a couple of good loose forwards.
For years I thought the John Williams song "Number on my Back" was about actual wallabies. Having no interest in or knowledge of sweaty men touching each other (sports) it took a chick from Perth I was trying to impress to point it out to me.

The fauna of Australia is interesting enough without imaginary hairy giants running around.
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Old 12th December 2009, 03:18 PM   #47
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Hi Night Walker. Do you believe these reports have any validity?
Australia: Bigfoot spotted in bush near Sydney (15 April 2009) - a case of misidentification at best. Little information presented in the article makes you wonder why they bothered to run the story in the first place. Attempts to contact the witnesses have been unsuccessful. Could be a case of tourists having a laugh via a local Aussie legend.

This Yowie looks suspect (April 17, 2009) - a prank that someone took seriusly enough to report it to the local newspaper. Photo circulated was from a U.S. hoax.

Dog killed by Yowie (April 21st, 2009) - typical yowie speculation debunked by Tim the Yowieman.

I was rugby-tackled by a Yowie, man claims (May 26, 2009) - a hoax pulled off by a leading "yowie researcher". Multiple irregularities including injuries that do not match the witness' account of events (and photos of injuries most likely to have been taken a week before the alleged incident) and a footprint cast and presented as evidence is a match with the witness' own foot.

Yowie sighting near Mount George (Aug 07, 2009) - possibly authentic but contains some suspicious elements and is in need of further investigation. Report by Gilroy is full of speculation. Report by Healy & Cropper contains witnesses' illustrations but simply rehashes the newspaper articles.

Yowie sighting sparks continuing controversy (10th September, 2009) - a prank pulled on the school children. Sounds like a fun night though.

A typical argument used in "yowie research" circles is that there are simply too many reported sightings to ignore and that it would take a large coordinated conspiracy of hoaxers going back 2 hundred years to perpetrate. The examples of 2009 indicate many unconnected people hoaxed/pranked yowie encounters primarily because it is fun to do so. Such "encounters" spread and grow via word-of-mouth and take on a life of their own.

Anyone can fabricate a yowie encounter. Repeat it often enough - a feat assisted by the internet - and it becomes part of the Yowielore.

The Australian bush can provide a suitably ambiguous experience (especially at night) as the backdrop for scaring your mates after heightening the tension with a few dramatic campfire tales of the unknown. However, there does also seem to be a loosely connected network of yowie-hoaxers masquerading as "researchers".

It is largely a tangled web of deception.
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Old 12th December 2009, 05:59 PM   #48
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In a brief fit of serious, do we seem to be narrowing the origins of Yowie stories down to SE Queensland and the Border Ranges?
I'm not sure. As far as I can tell, the idea that the Yowie is some sort of Sasquatch seems to come from the Rex Gilroy in the 1970s. The only other people who seem to be pushing this idea are the Yowie Hunters.

Before then it seems the Yowie was just a type of Bunyip.

It sounds like people have merged the Sasquatch and Bunyip myths. This seems a shame to me.


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I never heard of them as a kid in Sydney. Bunyips and drop-bears were all you had to worry about down there.
We had hoop snakes in SE Qld as well.
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Old 12th December 2009, 06:07 PM   #49
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I'm not sure. As far as I can tell, the idea that the Yowie is some sort of Sasquatch seems to come from the Rex Gilroy in the 1970s. The only other people who seem to be pushing this idea are the Yowie Hunters.
The same Rex Gilroy who found evidence for Dinosaurs in Australia, in fact. Did he want to become the new Ivan T Sanderson when he grew up (not that he ever did)?

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The same Rex Gilroy who found evidence for Dinosaurs in Australia, in fact. Did he want to become the new Ivan T Sanderson when he grew up (not that he ever did)?

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Old 13th December 2009, 01:14 AM   #51
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In a brief fit of serious, do we seem to be narrowing the origins of Yowie stories down to SE Queensland and the Border Ranges?

I never heard of them as a kid in Sydney. Bunyips and drop-bears were all you had to worry about down there.
Springbrook is where they are if they were real, i love how they move sideways like a crab.

http://www.yowiehunters.com/index.ph...=58&Itemid=131

2o high school students couldn't be wrong could they?
they wouldn't say it just to impress the girls?

http://www.yowiehunters.com/index.ph...185&Itemid=131


Why don't they deploy giant crab pots to catch it?
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Yabbie pots?
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Old 13th December 2009, 02:03 AM   #53
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Yabbie pots?
Nah, too small.


Proof truckdrivers don't take drugs!

"also witnessed one of these animals taking a roo from the back of a truck he was following .mind u the truck was doing 100kph at the time and it had just run over the roo which was being spat out the back of the rig and he says it came from one side of the road to the other and took the roo with it.. very strange"

lol!

http://www.yowiehunters.com/index.ph...260&Itemid=132
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Nah, too small.


Proof truckdrivers don't take drugs!

"also witnessed one of these animals taking a roo from the back of a truck he was following .mind u the truck was doing 100kph at the time and it had just run over the roo which was being spat out the back of the rig and he says it came from one side of the road to the other and took the roo with it.. very strange"

lol!

http://www.yowiehunters.com/index.ph...260&Itemid=132
"...it looked like it was covered in shaggy carpert."

Yowie researchers dont have spell check?!
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Now for the clear winner of aussie yowie stories.
Date: Mid to Late 1970's

Location: Unknown (of course it is)

Terrain: Bushland

This report has been passed word of mouth by several people, and may not be completely accurate in all aspects. The guide involved in the story told it to my father, and then he told me, when he felt I was old enough to understand.

There was a Canadian tour party, who had read articles about the Yowie, and came to Australia, fully equipped to bag/shoot one. There were four people in the party, and they shopped around for a guide, asking about Yowie sightings. Eventually they found a guide, who agreed to take them to an area known for Yowie activity.

They took five horses in a truck and float, and drove as far as they could by vehicle, then saddled up the horses, and carried on horseback further into the bush. They stopped at an area of previous sightings, and decided it would be a good area to set up camp. There were snapped off saplings in the bush around the area.

One of the horses was spooked by something, and reared up. It must have lost it's footing and it rolled over on top of the rider, and broke his leg. They were all feeling uncomfortable. They set up the tent, and placed the injured man inside a sleeping bag to keep him warm, and to avoid too much shock setting in. They built a fire, and had plenty of firewood to keep the fire burning.

The guide said he would go out to get help for the wounded man. The other tourists, still feeling uneasy, decided to go with the guide, as they were not comfortable staying there. They left the injured man, with food, and a 306 rifle with 5 rounds of ammunition. It was close to sundown when the party left the sight.

The next day, they came back by rescue helicopter, to lift the injured man off to hospital. When they landed, they met a gruesome scene. The man was dead, his arm had been ripped off, and his head was beaten in. There was blood all around the tent. The rifle was smashed and the butt broken. There were five spent cartridges. The fire was kicked everywhere. At the edge of the clearing there was also evidence of blood.

The helicopter pilot radioed for the police, and the State Police arrived shortly after, also by helicopter. The area where the incident occurred, was actually under Federal jurisdiction, so the State Police could do nothing, they just secured the site until the Federal Police arrived.

They took samples of the blood at the edge of the clearing. The body was placed in a body bag, and the rest of the party, were taken into custody. All their belongings were confiscated. They were escorted to the airport, where they were told, that they would never be able to come back to Australia. They were told that there had been a shooting accident, and that they should not discuss any of the details with anyone. The body was enclosed in a lead-lined coffin, and sent back to Canada on the same plane


LMAO!
can you even begin to imagine abandoning a wounded friend in the bush?

if it were me, i would have shot those cowards! wouldn't you?

"The man was dead, his arm had been ripped off, and his head was beaten in"
used his arm to beat his head in?

"The fire was kicked everywhere" wow, a firefighting yowie!

"The body was enclosed in a lead-lined coffin, and sent back to Canada on the same plane"

Sure, commercial jets always carry LEAD-LINED COFFINS!

http://www.yowiehunters.com/index.ph...255&Itemid=132


Yowiehunters.com must do their research in pubs they havn't been barred from yet.
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Now for the clear winner of aussie yowie stories.

The man was dead, his arm had been ripped off...
That wasn't a Yowie. That was Auntie Jack.

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There are few reliable sources of information regarding the yowie. Rex Gilroy has published several books but... well, you know about Rex. Healy and Cropper's (2006) "The Yowie: In Search of Australia's Bigfoot" is generally well regarded - they, too, criticise Gilroy's approach yet most of the sightings in their book come from YowieHunters.

Take a look at the "Dean Vs Yowie" and "Dean Yowie Confrontation" threads on their forum and let me know what you think...
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Sorry NW

The Yowie is a myth.
A bigger myth than Bigfoot or the Yeti or a Frankston Virgin.

I wont be wasting my time checking out the wool gatherings of a bunch of whackjobs.

No offense.
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I'm with Professor Alfie 100% on this.

Yowies have been a prank to play on children and other gullible souls since long before any of us were born, and hopefully will continue to be just that for many years to come.

In fact, I do what I can to spread the joke myself, from time to time.

There could not possibly be any such thing as Yowie Research. Just as there's no such thing as Godzilla or Pokemon research.

I don't think I want to read anything written by folks who can't see that simple truth.
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I'm with Professor Alfie 100% on this.
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There are few reliable sources of information regarding the yowie. Rex Gilroy has published several books but... well, you know about Rex. Healy and Cropper's (2006) "The Yowie: In Search of Australia's Bigfoot" is generally well regarded - they, too, criticise Gilroy's approach yet most of the sightings in their book come from YowieHunters.

Take a look at the "Dean Vs Yowie" and "Dean Yowie Confrontation" threads on their forum and let me know what you think...
I'm reading through a thread called “Hatred of Sceptics” discussing the ban of a sceptic in the “Dean’s” thread. Interesting, someone even thinks that poster was Randi himself.

http://www.yowiehunters.net/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=1492

The existence of Yowies seems unjustified and absurd to me too but that fact that some people firmly believe in their existence makes it interesting to me. It’s also why I keep coming back to JREF. I enjoy trying to understand how people justify their beliefs in the face of contrary evidence and/or a lack of supporting evidence.
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Just as there's no such thing as Godzilla or Pokemon research.
I take your point but if you google serebii or pokemon marriland you will find more than you ever needed to know about pokemon research.
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I was going to point out to somebody the other day what a Yowie was, and looked up some web sites. This was the top one I came across;

http://www.yowiehunters.com/

The forum is full of people who fully believe in the elusive Yowie. There are one or two reports of recent Yowie attacks, with much discussion on the issue.

Might be interesting for a browse for those who like this sort of thing.

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People from the old world brought their beliefs and superstitions with them. Hence bigfoot, hence yowie. The American Indian version of so called Sasquatch is much different than the european ancestried Americans. Its my guess that if you sat down and discussed the Yowie with an aborigine and then a european youd get two very different versions of of the same mythical creature.

I read somewhere that Bigfoot stared out as a legend of the Indians who told their children of a cannabilistic tribe of hugh Indians who lived near Mt. St. Helens in an effort to keep them away from the mountian.
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I take your point but if you google serebii or pokemon marriland you will find more than you ever needed to know about pokemon research.


Pokemon research makes me go all misty-eyed.


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Sorry NW

The Yowie is a myth.
A bigger myth than Bigfoot or the Yeti or a Frankston Virgin.

I wont be wasting my time checking out the wool gatherings of a bunch of whackjobs.

No offense.
I understand completely.

Personally, I am interested in the topic yet it is evident that many, if not most, yowie reports are bogus. Frankly, there is far more in need of debunking than needs researching and some "researchers" are the main culprits. If interested, take a look at the footprint cast presented as evidence in support of the "yowie attack" in those threads I mentioned - the impression of the toes matches that of the person who conveniently found them.

It seems in order to understand the yowie phenomenon one needs to understand those who supposedly search for them - they are quite an assortment of characters.

If anyone here is genuinely interested in the topic of yowies without dismissing all sightings out of hand then I would appreciate some unbiased input on the recent Mt. George sighting (google it for further information). This seems to be the best yowie sighting (ie possibly authentic, not an obvious hoax) reported via the media in 2009.

Q. Which would be more reliable - yowie sightings reported via the media or via "yowie researchers"? If you saw something out of the ordinary in the bush what would you do?
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Q. Which would be more reliable - yowie sightings reported via the media or via "yowie researchers"? If you saw something out of the ordinary in the bush what would you do?
When I do see something unusual in the bush. I do what I've aslways done: Speak to the locals, check out literature (e.g. what bird is that), the internet etc on the local fauna.
In the end I find out what the most logical explanation is, not the most illogical.
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If anyone here is genuinely interested in the topic of yowies without dismissing all sightings out of hand then I would appreciate some unbiased input on the recent Mt. George sighting (google it for further information). This seems to be the best yowie sighting (ie possibly authentic, not an obvious hoax) reported via the media in 2009.
http://www.manningrivertimes.com.au/...e/1589771.aspx

This sighting was on 7 August 2009.

If I was a cynic, I would note that on the same day, there was an announcement from the same source, that Rex Gilroy was visitng the area in the next few weeks

If I was a cynic I would then google "Faye Gilroy" + Yowie, and note that she sells Yowie sketches over the internet,m and has had at least one there which dates back to 2008 (whether or not she sketched it prior to August 2009 is not known). Since you appear to know Faye (are tou "Greg"?), could you asceretain whether or not she started skething Yowies before or after her close encounter?

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If yowies were real plenty of them would have been shot by now.
remember the pre-1970s bush motto?

IF IT MOVES SHOOT IT! IF IT DOESNT CHOP IT DOWN!


And don't give me that "i couldn't shoot it because it looked human" bulldust either.

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This sighting was on 7 August 2009.

If I was a cynic, I would note that on the same day, there was an announcement from the same source, that Rex Gilroy was visitng the area in the next few weeks

If I was a cynic I would then google "Faye Gilroy" + Yowie, and note that she sells Yowie sketches over the internet,m and has had at least one there which dates back to 2008 (whether or not she sketched it prior to August 2009 is not known). Since you appear to know Faye (are tou "Greg"?), could you asceretain whether or not she started skething Yowies before or after her close encounter?
The sighting happened July 31. The paper reported it on August 7 along with Rex's impending visit to investigate. Nothing suss there.

The images seem to be a collection of witness sketches from Australia and the USA. How can you tell who is selling them? I am a bit of a technophobe in things like this...

Faye's sketch was collected by Healy & Cropper as part of their interview with her. I could only find the one sketch by Faye.

I am not Greg but I have corresponded with him previously.
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With a masters in public nuisance.
Elite company indeed.
To say nothing about being a God-Pharaoh.
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If yowies were real plenty of them would have been shot by now.
remember the pre-1970s bush motto?

IF IT MOVES SHOOT IT! IF IT DOESNT CHOP IT DOWN!


And don't give me that "i couldn't shoot it because it looked human" bulldust either.
If that worked there would be a lot less murders.
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To say nothing about being a God-Pharaoh.
Akenhaten is the God Pharoa, I am but a humble servant to the master
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Akenhaten is the God Pharoa, I am but a humble servant to the master
As are we all. For someone who's been dead that long, he's awfully good with Photoshop, isn't he? This proves his divinity.
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People from the old world brought their beliefs and superstitions with them. Hence bigfoot, hence yowie. The American Indian version of so called Sasquatch is much different than the european ancestried Americans. Its my guess that if you sat down and discussed the Yowie with an aborigine and then a european youd get two very different versions of of the same mythical creature.


I agree with you in general about folks bringing their favourite superstitions with them from the Old Country, but the Yowie is something else again, and seems to be more typical of home-grown Aussie BS than anything.

You can't discuss Yowie legends with Native Australians any better than you can with Professors Norm and Alfie, because it's not a native legend at all. They'll make as much of a joke about it as we're doing in this thread.

Another consideration is that modern Australia was founded and populated by Britain, and England, particularly the Home Counties, isn't exactly rife with Yowie traditions.


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I read somewhere that Bigfoot stared out as a legend of the Indians who told their children of a cannabilistic tribe of hugh Indians who lived near Mt. St. Helens in an effort to keep them away from the mountian.


I'd go along with a story like that for Yowies, only it was started by the white settlers and not by the original inhabitants.
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I understand completely.

Personally, I am interested in the topic yet it is evident that many, if not most, yowie reports are bogus. Frankly, there is far more in need of debunking than needs researching and some "researchers" are the main culprits. If interested, take a look at the footprint cast presented as evidence in support of the "yowie attack" in those threads I mentioned - the impression of the toes matches that of the person who conveniently found them.

It seems in order to understand the yowie phenomenon one needs to understand those who supposedly search for them - they are quite an assortment of characters.


I hope I'm starting to see where you're coming from with this.

You seem to have an interest in researching the 'researchers', and that's quite a legitimate thing to do. I'm sure it's pretty much what William, Kitz and the others do in the BF threads.

They're an odd bunch alright, and you're going to have to try and forgive us BS professors for pointing at them and laughing.



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If anyone here is genuinely interested in the topic of yowies without dismissing all sightings out of hand then I would appreciate some unbiased input on the recent Mt. George sighting (google it for further information). This seems to be the best yowie sighting (ie possibly authentic, not an obvious hoax) reported via the media in 2009.


I'll look into that story further, but since I'm an unaccredited sceptic, I can get away with already having an answer. Sorry.


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Q. Which would be more reliable - yowie sightings reported via the media or via "yowie researchers"?


I don't see any difference. The stories themselves have no credibility, so the sources are irrelevant.


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If you saw something out of the ordinary in the bush what would you do?


Fight or flee. I usually decide these things on the spot.

Nicole Kidman swimming naked in a billabong would be out of the ordinary, as would a T. rex, but I think different approaches would be called for.
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If that worked there would be a lot less murders.
It did work there were a lot less murders back then, unfortunately 'the big scrub' rainforest in northern new south wales was reduced from 75000 hectares to a measly 700 hectares by land hungry settelers.
and guess what? no yowies were shot or captured, ever......
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When I do see something unusual in the bush. I do what I've always done: Speak to the locals, check out literature (e.g. what bird is that), the internet etc on the local fauna.
In the end I find out what the most logical explanation is, not the most illogical.


Oh. A sensible, professorial answer!

Yeah, I'd much do the same. I'm insatiably curious, and love learning about little-known local stuff.

I took NW's question to refer to something big and horrible leaping out from behind a tree at you, which doesn't usually call for a full appreciation before taking the appropriate havingsex big steps in the direction of off.
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