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Old 4th August 2018, 10:23 AM   #2241
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Without any connection to political or military goals it fails the primary test of the common understanding of terrorism.

So, just senseless slaughter.
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Old 4th August 2018, 11:12 AM   #2242
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Without any connection to political or military goals it fails the primary test of the common understanding of terrorism.

So, just senseless slaughter.
The secret plotting and planning can be fulfillment on its own. And then some actually execute those plans. I think the pilot of MH370 had similar motives.
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Old 4th August 2018, 11:23 AM   #2243
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
The secret plotting and planning can be fulfillment on its own. And then some actually execute those plans. I think the pilot of MH370 had similar motives.

Maybe so, but the word "terrorism" has meaning. Without the clear and public motivation of political or military goals that meaning is not fulfilled.

No such motive is known (yet, at least) for the Las Vegas slaughter or whatever may have happened to MH370.
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Old 4th August 2018, 11:30 AM   #2244
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Maybe so, but the word "terrorism" has meaning. Without the clear and public motivation of political or military goals that meaning is not fulfilled.

No such motive is known (yet, at least) for the Las Vegas slaughter or whatever may have happened to MH370.
I agree. I don't think either one is terrorism. They aren't doing it for anyone's goal but their own.
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Old 4th August 2018, 11:34 AM   #2245
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
I agree. I don't think either one is terrorism. They aren't doing it for anyone's goal but their own.

We don't know enough to ascribe a motive to either one.

If either was actually terrorism they missed an important step.
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Old 4th August 2018, 08:35 PM   #2246
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Could you two slightly reword it a couple more times, while agreeing with each other... I don't think I've caught the gist just yet.
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Old 6th August 2018, 12:23 PM   #2247
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
Could you two slightly reword it a couple more times, while agreeing with each other... I don't think I've caught the gist just yet.
I think you don't get what they are saying because it could be said in different ways but still mean the same thing. Maybe you could try to rewrite what they are vehemently agreeing about in your own words to clarify.
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Old 6th August 2018, 01:33 PM   #2248
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I think you don't get what they are saying because it could be said in different ways but still mean the same thing. Maybe you could try to rewrite what they are vehemently agreeing about in your own words to clarify.
What they are saying is essentially the same, but they are using different words.
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Old 6th August 2018, 01:38 PM   #2249
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
What they are saying is essentially the same, but they are using different words.
No, I think they are using some of the same words, but not in the same order, to say mainly the same thing.
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Old 29th January 2019, 01:06 PM   #2250
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FBI concludes investigation without identifying a motive.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/us/la...nds/index.html
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Old 29th January 2019, 01:13 PM   #2251
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
FBI concludes investigation without identifying a motive.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/us/la...nds/index.html
Might have to place this one in the "Often there is no real explaining insanity" department.
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Old 30th January 2019, 12:42 PM   #2252
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Destroy the guns or sell them to raise money?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/u...-donation.html

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In the aftermath of the 2017 shooting, loved ones of the 58 people who lost their lives in the rampage faced a difficult choice over what to do with the 50 guns and accessories that were owned by the gunman, Stephen Paddock. They could possibly sell the weapons to raise money or have the guns destroyed in a symbolic renunciation of violence.

Now the families don’t have to worry about making that decision — the donor, who wishes to remain anonymous, has stepped in to cover the funds. His only condition is that the guns are destroyed.
There is really nothing to be gained by destroying legal to possess guns. The bump stocks will have to be removed.

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The collection of firearms and equipment was valued at $62,340 in a recent inventory of Mr. Paddock’s nearly $1.4 million estate by a court-appointed special administrator. As Mr. Paddock died without a will, his mother, under Nevada law, became the heir to his assets, which she agreed to give to the families of the dead victims last March.
That is an ugly way to become an heir to an estate.

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If the gunman’s estate were to be divided up equally, each of the 58 families would receive about $24,000 — with the firearms accounting for close to $1,100 per family. The estate also includes an investment property worth a little more than $90,000 and bank and brokerage accounts totaling $455,758.
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One family, who intends to sue the manufacturers of the guns used in the shooting, would like to see those weapons kept in tact rather than destroyed.
I suspect that this family will be wasting their time and money like the shooting victims in Aurora did.
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Old 30th January 2019, 12:56 PM   #2253
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If those guns were sold as being from the "Stephen Paddock Collection" they would bring a premium. Much more so if the ones used in the shooting were identified. Memorabilia related to famous criminal killers is something that some people will pay a lot a money for.
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Old 31st January 2019, 05:00 AM   #2254
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Might have to place this one in the "Often there is no real explaining insanity" department.
He was just a school shooter with grey hair and an enlarged prostate.

A late-bloomer, if you will.

I sometimes have to remind myself that a subset of the population is really shallow and that a subset of that subset is misanthropic and sociopathic.
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Old 1st February 2019, 01:50 AM   #2255
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If those guns were sold as being from the "Stephen Paddock Collection" they would bring a premium. Much more so if the ones used in the shooting were identified. Memorabilia related to famous criminal killers is something that some people will pay a lot a money for.
Which is another argument to destroy them.
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Old 1st February 2019, 01:37 PM   #2256
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If those guns were sold as being from the "Stephen Paddock Collection" they would bring a premium. Much more so if the ones used in the shooting were identified. Memorabilia related to famous criminal killers is something that some people will pay a lot a money for.
I wonder if a firearm used in a crime and collected as evidence ever made it back into the public?
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Old 1st February 2019, 09:26 PM   #2257
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
I wonder if a firearm used in a crime and collected as evidence ever made it back into the public?
Police department policies differ. In WA the police are allowed to sell the guns to raise funds.
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Old 1st February 2019, 09:37 PM   #2258
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If those guns were sold as being from the "Stephen Paddock Collection" they would bring a premium. Much more so if the ones used in the shooting were identified. Memorabilia related to famous criminal killers is something that some people will pay a lot a money for.

This is a new one for me.

For some reason, which is purely vague memory, I thought I read somewhere weapons used in mass shootings in the US were destroyed after a while.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 02:43 PM   #2259
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There is no federal law that says crime weapons must be destroyed. For example Oswald's Carcano is still around as is the handgun Ruby used to kill Oswald.
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