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Old 9th February 2019, 03:22 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
People are oversensitive, you were right the first time.

Vaudeville performers didn't paint on red lips when doing blackface. Do black people have very red lips or something? Didn't think so.

The design is pretty stupid, but it's only offensive if you really want it to be, or if your friends think it is.

The racist reaction is really stupid.
Being stupid about racial stereotypes is offensive.

If you feel offended or demoralized by the way the dickbag progressives on this forum stereotype you on the regular, then you should have some empathy for black people who have to face stereotyping from society on a daily basis, and from all directions.
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Old 9th February 2019, 03:40 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
I haven't worn a balaclava since I was about ten. Who wears that ******
Norwegian soldier reporting in....

The balaclava is part of standard infantry equiptment here.
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Old 9th February 2019, 03:53 PM   #43
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Er, why for gay men? Why not for straight men?
Other than LGBTQ, I'm having a hard time imagining men wearing it. I'm open to the idea though. My point was it wasn't offensive.
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Old 9th February 2019, 04:28 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
I haven't worn a balaclava since I was about ten. Who wears that ******

I had a job as traffic control for an oil field site for a while. Believe me, when you're outside 12 hours a shift in subzero weather, you wear whatever you can. Thankfully, in West Virginia, you don't need gear like that for very long every year, but when you need it, you really need it.
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Old 9th February 2019, 05:10 PM   #45
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I haven't worn a balaclava since I was about ten. Who wears that ******
I used to wear a scarf wrapped around my face, along with a wool cap. I only discovered that wonderful piece of clothing a few years ago when my youngest son came home with one.
I love the things. Massively comfortable in seriously cold weather.

This sweater is not, to my understanding, a balaclava however.
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Old 9th February 2019, 05:15 PM   #46
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IMO Gucci knew full well what they were doing. Smacks of a publicity stunt.
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Old 9th February 2019, 05:30 PM   #47
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IMO Gucci knew full well what they were doing. Smacks of a publicity stunt.
I think you may be giving the fashion industry and large companies way too much credit. Most of it and them seem to be filled with morons.
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Old 9th February 2019, 06:51 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Probably. Still stupid, but not grossly offensive.
Maybe pink lips would have been better?
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Old 9th February 2019, 10:22 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Maybe pink lips would have been better?
White. I mean thatís what they were really aiming for, surely?
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Old 10th February 2019, 02:13 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
I used to wear a scarf wrapped around my face, along with a wool cap. I only discovered that wonderful piece of clothing a few years ago when my youngest son came home with one.
I love the things. Massively comfortable in seriously cold weather.
My wife bought me one a few years ago to use when observing the skies in winter. Also keeps the exhalation through the nose from fogging up the eyepiece.
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Old 10th February 2019, 06:48 PM   #51
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TBF Balaclavas can be way too hot in some countries, but in I wouldn't rob another bank without one.
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Old 11th February 2019, 06:10 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
Norwegian soldier reporting in....

The balaclava is part of standard infantry equiptment here.
I can definitely see them serving a good purpose for a soldier, but for a random bloke in the UK, I just don't see it.

They were a thing of childhood for me, when it was cold and you were going round the shops for sweets, lol.

The Mexican cartels seem to get a lot of use out of them.
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Old 11th February 2019, 06:14 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
I used to wear a scarf wrapped around my face, along with a wool cap. I only discovered that wonderful piece of clothing a few years ago when my youngest son came home with one.
I love the things. Massively comfortable in seriously cold weather.

This sweater is not, to my understanding, a balaclava however.
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I had a job as traffic control for an oil field site for a while. Believe me, when you're outside 12 hours a shift in subzero weather, you wear whatever you can. Thankfully, in West Virginia, you don't need gear like that for very long every year, but when you need it, you really need it.

Yeah, they can have a purpose, if you work a certain job or spend a lot of time outdoors in the low temperatures.

But I don't know if this Gucci one is intended for such things, though it can certainly be used for such.

I just envision man-bun having, tight-jeans wearing, stylish beard-owning men wearing them to go to their local craft beer bar in slightly cold weather to discuss how Brexit will affect them being able to buy German whey protein.
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Old 11th February 2019, 07:15 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Vaudeville performers didn't paint on red lips when doing blackface. Do black people have very red lips or something? Didn't think so.
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The stereotype isn't really red lips, it is excessively large lips (although I take issue with your point anyway, there are plenty of examples of at least the advertisements for minstrel shows showing large red lips, I have no idea if they were actually red in the shows as every picture I've seen in black-and-white).

This actually brings to mind minor childhood psychological trauma. In early grade school, I was the only white kid in my school. Kids, being the *bleep*s that they are, would often tease me about wearing lipstick. Because of course, black people's lips often don't look very red, my lips were much redder than any other kid, reminding them of lipstick.

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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
I can definitely see them serving a good purpose for a soldier, but for a random bloke in the UK, I just don't see it.

They were a thing of childhood for me, when it was cold and you were going round the shops for sweets, lol.

The Mexican cartels seem to get a lot of use out of them.
"Balaclava helmets" were very much part of my 70s childhood in Hull.
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"Balaclava helmets" were very much part of my 70s childhood in Hull.
And a gay bar in Sebastopol?
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The stereotype isn't really red lips, it is excessively large lips (although I take issue with your point anyway, there are plenty of examples of at least the advertisements for minstrel shows showing large red lips, I have no idea if they were actually red in the shows as every picture I've seen in black-and-white).

This actually brings to mind minor childhood psychological trauma. In early grade school, I was the only white kid in my school. Kids, being the *bleep*s that they are, would often tease me about wearing lipstick. Because of course, black people's lips often don't look very red, my lips were much redder than any other kid, reminding them of lipstick.


These were ubiquitous when I was a small child.
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Katy Perry faces criticism over shoe design resembling blackface
CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/enter...oes/index.html
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Katy Perry faces criticism over shoe design resembling blackface
CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/enter...oes/index.html
A shoe with eyes and lips on it is kind of fun. But that colorway is certainly problematic at this point in human history.
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So high profile democrat and democrat convention free concert giver, is actually an alt-right, nazi, white nationalists thug.

Wouldn't surprise me is she wears confederate flag patterned under pants

Horrifying

Quick - Everyone boycott her music and tweet about how shocked we are at her racist attitudes.
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For what it is worth, I used to wear a balaclava, rolled up, as a beanie, when walking in the high country.

When the weather rolled in, as it often does, I'd just roll it down to cover my face and neck.

You can do that very quickly, and to your walking companions, it presents like a scary magic trick.

No way I'd wear one decorated like the jumper in the OP though.
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