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Old 11th February 2019, 01:27 PM   #1
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Some Washington sheriffs refuse to enforce new gun laws

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...-laws-60985838


"Sheriffs in a dozen Washington counties say they won't enforce the state's sweeping new restrictions on semi-automatic rifles until the courts decide whether they are constitutional.

A statewide initiative approved by voters in November raised the minimum age for buying semi-automatic rifles from 18 to 21, required buyers to first pass a firearms safety course and added expanded background checks and gun storage requirements, among other things. It was among the most comprehensive of a string of state-level gun-control measures enacted in the U.S. after last year's shooting at a Florida high school.

Lincoln County Sheriff Wade Magers noted more than 75 percent of voters in his small county just west of Spokane voted against the initiative. He called the new rules unenforceable."

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Old 11th February 2019, 01:37 PM   #2
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That's what happens when you have politicians pretending to be cops.
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:48 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...-laws-60985838


"Sheriffs in a dozen Washington counties say they won't enforce the state's sweeping new restrictions on semi-automatic rifles until the courts decide whether they are constitutional.

A statewide initiative approved by voters in November raised the minimum age for buying semi-automatic rifles from 18 to 21, required buyers to first pass a firearms safety course and added expanded background checks and gun storage requirements, among other things. It was among the most comprehensive of a string of state-level gun-control measures enacted in the U.S. after last year's shooting at a Florida high school.

Lincoln County Sheriff Wade Magers noted more than 75 percent of voters in his small county just west of Spokane voted against the initiative. He called the new rules unenforceable."

The first three ARE enforceable.

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...Lincoln County Sheriff Wade Magers noted more than 75 percent of voters in his small county just west of Spokane voted against the initiative...

Do you also get to choose how your tax dollars are spent?
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:50 PM   #4
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And I hear the Sherrifs think we may have been a little hasty with the gay marriage thing, too. Their county residents don't like that one much, either. While they're at it, they're a-fixin to take a quick straw poll on the 13th amendment.
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:54 PM   #5
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I imagine that most licensed dealers are still going to be compliant. None of them are going to want to have the AG raining down legal hellfire for noncompliance.
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:57 PM   #6
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The court decides when to stay implementation. A good way to get that judgment to not go your way is to publicly usurp court powers in a brazen display.
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Old 11th February 2019, 02:11 PM   #7
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They are associated with this group:

Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. They also came out in support of the (Bundy) Malheur Wildlife Refuge takeover, and I think one or two members visited the Bunkerville/Bundy standoff as well.

Old hat, nothing new. This happens with most any new gun safety regulations or laws.

Let's just hope they don't blabber on about "law abiding gun owners", since they seem to want to be complicit in allowing gun owners to break laws with impunity.


ETA: Another link about the group The Renegade Sheriffs.

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Old 11th February 2019, 02:14 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...-laws-60985838


"Sheriffs in a dozen Washington counties say they won't enforce the state's sweeping new restrictions on semi-automatic rifles until the courts decide whether they are constitutional.

A statewide initiative approved by voters in November raised the minimum age for buying semi-automatic rifles from 18 to 21, required buyers to first pass a firearms safety course and added expanded background checks and gun storage requirements, among other things. It was among the most comprehensive of a string of state-level gun-control measures enacted in the U.S. after last year's shooting at a Florida high school.

Lincoln County Sheriff Wade Magers noted more than 75 percent of voters in his small county just west of Spokane voted against the initiative. He called the new rules unenforceable."

Thumbsup for illegal refusal to obey orders. Did the court issue a temporary order that allows for this decision?
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Old 11th February 2019, 02:21 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
The first three ARE enforceable.




Do you also get to choose how your tax dollars are spent?
To me they all look enforceable.
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Old 11th February 2019, 02:25 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
They are associated with this group:

Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. They also came out in support of the (Bundy) Malheur Wildlife Refuge takeover, and I think one or two members visited the Bunkerville/Bundy standoff as well.

Old hat, nothing new. This happens with most any new gun safety regulations or laws.

Let's just hope they don't blabber on about "law abiding gun owners", since they seem to want to be complicit in allowing gun owners to break laws with impunity.


ETA: Another link about the group The Renegade Sheriffs.
No real Sherrif would take issue with arson or poaching
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Old 11th February 2019, 06:35 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
The first three ARE enforceable.
All of them have to do with buying. Sheriffs are not even involved with that. So, while I commend their attitude, it is just another posture.

So far as constitutionality, which part of " shall not infringe the right to keep and bear" is NOT in the constitution?

Age discrimination anybody? That will need the courts to decide.

So I can see the sheriffs have a point in waiting for the courts to drop a gavel. I assume that is a case in court?
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Old 11th February 2019, 06:38 PM   #12
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Fire them (the sheriffs, not the guns) and recruit people who WILL enforce the Laws.
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Old 11th February 2019, 06:47 PM   #13
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They just want to be famous like that woman who refused to give marriage licenses to gay couples because "she didn't like it".
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Old 11th February 2019, 06:58 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
All of them have to do with buying. Sheriffs are not even involved with that. So, while I commend their attitude, it is just another posture.

So far as constitutionality, which part of " shall not infringe the right to keep and bear" is NOT in the constitution?

Age discrimination anybody? That will need the courts to decide.

So I can see the sheriffs have a point in waiting for the courts to drop a gavel. I assume that is a case in court?
All parts of the act are things that have been previously challenged in court and found to be constitutional. To quote Justice Scalia:

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The right to keep and bear arms, according to Scalia, “was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” Indeed, he adds, “nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt” on a wide range of gun restrictions, including such categories as “laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of firearms,” “prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons,” and prohibitions on “dangerous and unusual weapons,” a listing of “presumptively lawful regulatory measures” that “does not purport to be exhaustive.”
The age discrimination may be a thing though. That may run afoul of the Constitution of the State of Washington - but that's not a federal issue.
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Old 11th February 2019, 07:11 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
All of them have to do with buying. Sheriffs are not even involved with that. So, while I commend their attitude, it is just another posture.
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So I can see the sheriffs have a point in waiting for the courts to drop a gavel. I assume that is a case in court?
I don't.

Police are there to enforce the laws, not to decide what is constitutional or unconstitutional; that latter part is for Congress and the Courts to decide, not beat cops. They should do their job and leave constitutionality in the purview of the lawmakers.

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So far as constitutionality, which part of " shall not infringe the right to keep and bear" is NOT in the constitution?
The Constitution does not specify what particular arms you have a right to bear, only that you have the right to bear them.

If you take the widest possible interpretation, you will have the right to keep and bear Abrams tanks, anti-aircraft guns, field howitzers, missiles and nuclear weapons... they are all "arms".

If you take the narrowest possible interpretation, your right to bear arms applies only the those types of arms that The Founders would have known about and would have had in mind, so, muzzle-loading flintlocks would be your limit.

Commonsense holds that it is reasonable to look for a fair compromise between those two limits.

I live in a society that bans ownership of firearms which are designed for the sole purpose of allowing the user to kill as many people as possible in the shortest possible time.... and even as a keen gun user myself, I am very happy about that.

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Age discrimination anybody? That will need the courts to decide.
Rubbish. All sorts of things have age limits and restrictions; driver licensing, voting in elections, joining the military, consuming alcohol. You even have an age limit on who can be POTUS (35 years IIRC)

Where to do draw the line? 18? 17? 16? 15? 14? 13? 12? 11? 10?

Do you really want eight and nine year-olds being legally allowed to tote an AR15?
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They should all resign or be sacked
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So far as constitutionality, which part of " shall not infringe the right to keep and bear" is NOT in the constitution?
It's already infringed. The only thing under contention is where to draw the line.
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What's hilarious about the "Constitutional Sheriffs" organization is I'm pretty sure the word "Sheriff" appears nowhere in the document.
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