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It's yesterday's mass shooting now. Move on.
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I watched a documentary about the Aurora mass shooting. What was particularly depressing was that in the USA, only those most closely linked to that shooting were bothered by it. Whereas in Scotland , with Dunblane, the entire country felt the affects. It was as if we had all be shot at.
With no possibility of a national consensus that mass shootings are a problem for the whole country and a far more selfish attitude of, well I am OK, it was only some people in Aurora who were shot, the USA will never be able to deal with this situation. |
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The point was made by me, not specifically by the documentary. I doubt the documentary makers realised they were revealing how quickly Aurora was yesterdays news and the victims forgotten.
That point of how quickly people put a mass shooting behind them is also being expressed in this thread, from its title to comments like "It's yesterday's mass shooting now. Move on." |
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That's kinda ridiculous if that documentary said that only those close to the Aurora shooting were bothered by it. I was extremely bothered by it having attended a midnight screening of TDKR myself replete with people in costume, masks and fake guns. It changed the way some theater chains operated -disallowing those costumes, masks and fake guns.
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That is mostly frustration, and the knowledge that these things will always happen regularly and there is simply nothing that we can do about it. Hell there have been 11 school shootings this year. So more than 1 every 2 schooldays.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3775723 It frankly is normal in the US. |
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Aurora was in the news for.... such.... a.... long.... time....
Special report programs about it on TV for like forever it seemed. But you can go ahead and jump the shark on this. |
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The first month of the year isn't even over yet, and someone has already died from a mass shooting?
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Should we make this a sticky thread?
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I accept that, the problem for you is that many more do not care, or see mass shootings as the reason why they want a gun (so perpetuating the problem).
Meanwhile, a mass shooting in the UK, or Australia or elsewhere, units an entire country to act. It is horrible and sad, but you are better to develop a coping strategy and normalising it, so you are not that bothered, is one way of coping. |
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The same was true during The Troubles. Army doctors would go to Northern Ireland for training on dealing with gun shot and wounds from explosives.
The shootings and bombings were normalised during The Troubles. I know and am related to plenty of people who lived through The Troubles. They all remark how they could just get on with their lives and ignore what was going on around them. Like gun violence in the USA, it was pretty easy to avoid certain places and so greatly reduce your chances of being shot at. That NI was able to solve its problems (mostly) is the most remarkable thing I have seen in my life. Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley best buddies! How did that happen! But it meant the entire of NI had come together to solve the problem. The estimate is that about 10-5% of the population were involved in and responsible for The Troubles. They also had fewer weapons than the average American town! With 88.8 guns per 100 people in the USA and around 30% of adults owning a gun, the scale of the problem is far greater in the USA, plus there is not the universal will to change. Hence NI could change, but the USA cannot. |
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The rate of mass shootings for 2018 compared to last is unlikely to change significantly, there is no reason for it to do so, any change is going to just a statistical variation.
On possible significant cause of change is not going to happen. Trump suggested he would make changes, but he has done nothing. I remember it being said Trump is used to getting people round a table and battering out an agreement. But that was to get a contract to build a new casino or golf club. Getting the NRA to agree with the anti-gun lobby is even more improbable than getting the two sides in the Northern Irish Troubles to agree. |
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If it's still online, you can find me in the online condolences for the Dunblane killing.
I'm bothered by every shooting. I'm especially bothered that I have less time to process each one before the next one takes place. In 2006 when the "Capitol Hill Massacre" took place, I joined some local online raver boards, and commiserated with them, and offered them some advice on how to cope with being the current hated subculture (being a goth, I know too well). I have several friends who simply refuse to go into public places anymore because of the anxiety it causes. But as the economy has become so much worse for anyone but the richest, as people try to juggle 2-3 jobs and hope they won't get sick and lose everything, there's less and less energy left for empathy, support, or caring for anyone outside your social circle. This is why health care is turning into a popularity contest. You start a donation page, and you hope you have a lot of friends with a little extra money. But I'm getting distracted from my point. When you're treading water in a flood, you're too busy trying to keep from drowning to help other people, and that's what it's becoming here. |
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As a postscript, circumstantial evidence would suggest the government encourages this, keeping the general public overwhelmed and off-balance.
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