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Old 2nd January 2019, 09:56 PM   #1
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Stupid Parents + Stupid Zoo /= Dead Toddler, Luckily

Notwithstanding the former member who would probably argue that the parents were trying to murder their kid, this seems like a perfect storm of stupidity.

Who thought, "I know, we'll build a rhino enclosure for the Get Up Close to the Terrifying Beasts area and leave spaces in the fence that a toddler can get through" was a good idea?

I realize most people have never been out in the Umfolozi but the first thing Ranger Gary told us, and he repeated often, was "they're instinctively territorial and will charge anything or any creature that crosses their arbitrary boundaries". Those boundaries change depending on various factors, and I'd imagine that at a zoo "enclosure I go to often" is probably a line of demarcation.

Who let's their toddler out of their arms around great hulking mindless brutes (people or animals - I would neither let my toddler down in the All Blacks scrum nor in a crash of rhinos)?

Very fortunate that the tyke isn't dead.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/01/u...zoo/index.html
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Because we just know that some racists are gonna race, it should be pointed out that this was a white rhino.
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Old 2nd January 2019, 10:09 PM   #3
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Toddler should have had a gun.
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Old 2nd January 2019, 10:55 PM   #4
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There's something just very wrong about the whole concept of "popular rhino encounters."
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Old 2nd January 2019, 11:30 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Toddler should have had a gun.
A gun to stop a rhino would have to be bigger than the kid

Amazing animals

Fast as f'. Weigh about as much as a car, and are probably stronger and more protected. Get angry.

I think I read years ago (not sure if it's still current or whether I have it perfectly correct), that while people think the big cats are the biggest human killers, it is rhinos.

Mind you I would be angry too if I were them
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Somebody appears to have forgotten that a safe enclosure bars both the animals and the humans from each other's territory.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
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A gun to stop a rhino would have to be bigger than the kid

Amazing animals

Fast as f'. Weigh about as much as a car, and are probably stronger and more protected. Get angry.

I think I read years ago that while ago (not sure if it's still current or whether I have it perfectly correct), that while people think the big cats are the biggest human killers, it is rhinos.

Mind you I would be angry too if I were them
Actually I thought I heard the biggest human killers are hippos.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Actually I thought I heard the biggest human killers are hippos.
Could be true actually now I think

It was years ago

They aren't a fun thing to run into either I would imagine
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Old 2nd January 2019, 11:50 PM   #9
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Toddler should have had a gun.
Rhino too
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Actually I thought I heard the biggest human killers are hippos.
Yes, because they spend a lot of time in rivers and lakes where people might fish, for example.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Actually I thought I heard the biggest human killers are hippos.
Since they’re the 3rd largest land animal behind elephant and white rhino, I’d say that they are not the biggest killers.

And of course none of these are the most deadly. The deadliest is actually one of the smallest animal.
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This is journalism sensational hype. This is a two year old toddler who should have been held back by her parents. She had to wedge her way through the bars. The father kept hold of her the whole time. She got "bumped" by the snout of one rhino. She suffered a mild abrasion to her face.

A kid would suffer more injury and risk by tripping on a lego brick and faceplanting on the carpet.
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
Since they’re the 3rd largest land animal behind elephant and white rhino, I’d say that they are not the biggest killers.

And of course none of these are the most deadly. The deadliest is actually one of the smallest animal.
Every ones friend the mosquito

I was talking butch animals

Made a hash of that post all round really
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Every ones friend the mosquito

I was talking butch animals

Made a hash of that post all round really
I think I saw a recent ranking of all creatures.

1. Man
2. Mosquito
3. Tse Tse Fly
4. Saltwater Croc
and then a whole bunch of amphibians, fish and reptiles five through nine and the Cape Buffalo was #10. No hippos, no rhinos. I think the latter can be explained by there being so few rhinos left. I'd imagine that while there are plenty of hippos, their habitat is much more limited now, too.

Oh, and you have to split "dogs" into two categories.... rabid and not. It's not the dog that kills, it's the rabies, so they count them as "disease deaths". Dogs would be waaaay up there near mosquitos if you counted rabies deaths which are astonishingly high, like 50 x that of crocodiles.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
I think I saw a recent ranking of all creatures.

1. Man
2. Mosquito
3. Tse Tse Fly
4. Saltwater Croc
and then a whole bunch of amphibians, fish and reptiles five through nine and the Cape Buffalo was #10. No hippos, no rhinos. I think the latter can be explained by there being so few rhinos left. I'd imagine that while there are plenty of hippos, their habitat is much more limited now, too.

Oh, and you have to split "dogs" into two categories.... rabid and not. It's not the dog that kills, it's the rabies, so they count them as "disease deaths". Dogs would be waaaay up there near mosquitos if you counted rabies deaths which are astonishingly high, like 50 x that of crocodiles.
Bit of a nitpick, but why count mosquitoes if we're going to leave out dogs? It's mosquito-borne disease that kills, not the loss of blood
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A 2-year-old girl remains in the hospital a day after she was injured at a Florida zoo during a private rhino encounter experience
In the final analysis, all rhino encounters are private, and very personal.
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
Bit of a nitpick, but why count mosquitoes if we're going to leave out dogs? It's mosquito-borne disease that kills, not the loss of blood
Perhaps because you can't vaccinate mosquitos? Alternately, the mosquito borne killers are pretty exclusive to that critter but rabies can come from various mammals, so the dog bit is significant.
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Bit of a nitpick, but why count mosquitoes if we're going to leave out dogs? It's mosquito-borne disease that kills, not the loss of blood
It would be more logical to discount mosquitoes. It's a bit like saying water is the most deadly liquid on earth on account of five million people dying from waterborne diseases each year. The only conceivable purpose of these 'most deadly' lists is a fun point of interest, and in which case it should relate to the character, behaviour and inherent danger of the animal itself.
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Actually I thought I heard the biggest human killers are hippos.
Mosquitoes, tsetse flies...
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I wiki'd it, 55,000 rabies deaths per year worldwide.

Likje oine case/year in California, either in an international traveler or from a raccoon.
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The dog bite problem is created entirely by humans. Dogs are domesticated animals. When people fail to live up to their responsibilities dogs run wild and become diseased, and some of those diseases come back to literally bite people in the ass. You reap what you sow.
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Correcting the topic title to "does not equal" instead of "slash equal sign" would be helpful in this instance. I was surprised to read that the toddler died, after having read that she was only injured yesterday.
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An 11" gap? That wouldn't even cut it for a stair railing, how did they get away with that here?
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....while people think the big cats are the biggest human killers, it is rhinos.......
No, you're confusing rhinos with hippos. And that's wrong too (rhinos, the few remaining ones, run away from humans). The biggest killers in the wild in Africa are 1/ mosquitoes, 2/ snakes, 3/ feral dogs. Hippos, in some sources, are said to kill around 3000 people a year (compared with 20,000+ each for dogs and snakes), and lions, leopards etc just a handful. Rhino kills of humans could likely be counted on one hand........per decade, and they'll all be captive animals.
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I think we all know the difference between an animal attack and disease transmission.
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Correcting the topic title to "does not equal" instead of "slash equal sign" would be helpful in this instance. I was surprised to read that the toddler died, after having read that she was only injured yesterday.
Does /= = ≠? (genuine question).
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I think we all know the difference between an animal attack and disease transmission.
What does it count as if a chimp stabs you with a hepatitis-infected needle? Worst New Year's party ever.
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Because we just know that some racists are gonna race, it should be pointed out that this was a white rhino.
male? that would explain it.
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Does /= = ≠? (genuine question).
I have seen it as " =/= " but never " /= "
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
I think I saw a recent ranking of all creatures.

1. Man
2. Mosquito
3. Tse Tse Fly
4. Saltwater Croc
and then a whole bunch of amphibians, fish and reptiles five through nine and the Cape Buffalo was #10. No hippos, no rhinos.
I've seen various different reports in this regard. "Man" is frequently left out of the rankings as being in a separate category, mosquitos and tse tse flies may be left out since it's the diseases they spread which does the actual killing. For the rest, it seems to depend a bit on who you ask and how you count. This place claims hippos are number one in Africa:
https://www.reference.com/science/de...290af1b2ef5da3
This place lists top ten in Africa:
https://www.planetdeadly.com/animals...animals-africa
Rhinos are number 9, Nile croc is number 4, hippos are number 3. The number 2 and number 1 slots are really categories and not species: parasites and snakes, respectively.
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I have seen it as " =/= " but never " /= "
I've also seen it written as " != ", since that's frequently how it's written for computer programming.
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In the final analysis, all rhino encounters are private, and very personal.
Swipe charge right.
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male? that would explain it.
Male rhinos are notoriously horny.
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I have seen it as " =/= " but never " /= "
ALGOL 68? Fortran 90? Haskell?

At least according to Wikipedia
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Male rhinos are notoriously horny.
but 'white males' are the devil. well, at least that's the latest rage.
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A gun to stop a rhino would have to be bigger than the kid
....

Let's note that she was barely brushed by the rhino. It would have been a tragedy -- and obviously unnecessary -- to kill it.
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The girl's father had been holding onto her at the time she fell and was able to pull her back almost as soon as she went into the enclosure, Winsten said.

When that happened, one of the female white rhinos turned her head and her snout made contact with the little girl. Winsten said zoo officials do not believe the rhino's horn hit the little girl.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Every ones friend the mosquito

I was talking butch animals

Made a hash of that post all round really
Yeah well my pedants joke about hippos only being the 3rd biggest killer vs the the most deadly was lost as well.

Even my point about mosquitoes seems to have not been read either, as there were a number of subsequent posts to mine that were basically “mosquitoes, Gotcha!”.
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Up close petting a rhino. What could possibly go wrong.
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Originally Posted by Whip View Post
but 'white males' are the devil. well, at least that's the latest rage.
Yeah, the latest rage for white males with a crippling persecution complex.

"I'm being oppressed, woe is me!"

Lol
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Originally Posted by TheGnome View Post
ALGOL 68? Fortran 90? Haskell?

At least according to Wikipedia
Thanks - I did not know that.
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