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Old 15th January 2019, 07:12 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Here's a working link to the BBC story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-46874617
Thanks.
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Old 15th January 2019, 07:19 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
I mean Gillette did come up with the disposable razor, and then an ad campaign in the early 20th century that was basically underarm hair is gross.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/1370...airless-photos
Fascinating link.
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Old 15th January 2019, 07:56 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
I like the ad and I've spent the last 24 hours screaming at anyone I find on social media that has issues with it. I unapologetically call them rapists until they block me. Because, seriously, if you have an issue with this advert you are a freaking rapist and no one will ever talk me out of that stance.
I think it is tedious, pointless and preachy.

I must be a rapist
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Old 15th January 2019, 08:05 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I'm so manly I just have to look at my stubble in the mirror and it just falls off in awe and fear.
Sure Chuck. Sure!
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I think it is tedious, pointless and preachy.

I must be a rapist
No, but it makes you surprisingly sensitive for such a masculine guy.
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Old 15th January 2019, 09:16 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Gillette's women's razors are not only sexist but they're also more expensive than the male versions. Nice going Gillette!
Women can always buy the "men's" razors. And, as I said, it's still an ad in the end. Nice sentiment in it, but it's made to sell products.

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The push toward "manliness" is cutting directly into their bottom line. If guys grow and keep beards, they won't use razors as much. Oh, and if they can convince guys to shave other body parts, more sales!!!
You're off. It's as much companies like Harry's, which are very much advertised to...men. This ad is...more woman-friendly than just watching Captain Jawbone shaving, anyway.
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Old 15th January 2019, 09:21 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by The Norseman View Post
This is a bullseye. I was just watching yesterday a Many Peters Youtube video with his wife on just this topic; this is all engineered precisely to generate some real or imagined controversy all including a phony non-apology simply to get more money.

It's all about the bucks, after all.
I haven't watched him in a good long while, and I'm not quite as cynical as he is - but I do remember him discussing this with that absurd Pepsi ad where people are protesting...nothing at all, and then one of the Jenners gives a soda to a cop and everyone cheers for...no reason. The point about women likely buying more shaving products than men is just intuition - seems to me women are more likely to buy for the men than vice versa, just based on what I know about division of labor.

Really, the people getting angry at the ad are absurd - saw a picture where some fool had thrown his razor (handle and all) into the toilet and posted it online - and the first reply pointed out that it wouldn't flush, so he'd have to get it out of the toilet water somehow.

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Old 15th January 2019, 09:35 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
The point about women likely buying more shaving products than men is just intuition - seems to me women are more likely to buy for the men than vice versa, just based on what I know about division of labor.

But its logical

Men (generally) only shave their faces.
Women (generally) only shave their legs. (yes, I know about other parts they might shave! - let's not go there)

The surface area of two legs is a LOT larger than the surface area of a man's face, so it leads me to the conclusion that women probably wear out shavers considerably quicker than men, ergo, they would buy more for their personal use
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Old 15th January 2019, 10:23 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
But its logical

Men (generally) only shave their faces.
Women (generally) only shave their legs. (yes, I know about other parts they might shave! - let's not go there)

The surface area of two legs is a LOT larger than the surface area of a man's face, so it leads me to the conclusion that women probably wear out shavers considerably quicker than men, ergo, they would buy more for their personal use
Except women don't shave their legs every/every other day, and unless they are Robin Williamsette, she is thinner, less hair on the surface error
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
No, but it makes you surprisingly sensitive for such a masculine guy.
Travis just talked about screaming at random people because of an ad, and cullennz is the sensitive one?
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Old 16th January 2019, 01:20 AM   #51
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Why does anyone still buy this overpriced crap? Get a double-edged razor. The blades are about 20 times cheaper.
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Old 16th January 2019, 02:04 AM   #52
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I like the ad and I've spent the last 24 hours screaming at anyone I find on social media that has issues with it. I unapologetically call them rapists until they block me. Because, seriously, if you have an issue with this advert you are a freaking rapist and no one will ever talk me out of that stance.

I think that you should tell them how Tom-of-Finland-like their preferred razor commercials are!

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Typical razor commercials have a guy who is 90% jaw, an insanely muscular physique (with nipples that can cut glass). I have no idea what the **** that has to do with shaving (unless they're trying to get you to shave your chest).
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I find this stuff annoyingly patronising.

If a young man's upbringing has turned him into a cock, the marketing department of the people he buys his razors from isn't going to help.

If, however, the person watching it is not a cock and has had a reasonable upbringing, then it's like having stumbled into a remedial class somewhere. Seriously, I'm getting really, really fed up of having to go over this material again cos the ******** haven't got it. Can we separate out the idiots and preach to them separately, because a lot of the rest of us are fed up with the repeated exhortations to not be somebody we're already not.
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Old 16th January 2019, 02:22 AM   #54
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I guess while everyone else is playing hurt moron, that means Gillette razors and cream will be going on special and I'll be able to stock up. Go Gillette! I'm 100% behind them and I totally agree. There are a lot of men with sexist attitudes, violence issues, and who have no issues with forcing themselves on women, be it a grope at a bar or club, to demanding sexual favours to remain employed, and the majority of men that aren't doing that sort of thing need to stop standing by when they see it happening, and treating it as a joke.

It's not a joke to talk and laugh about how you'd like to have your female boss under your desk, or to discuss how "tight" a teenage colleague might be, even if you wouldn't actually act on it. I know what guys are like when they are in groups without women around. I have seen it in the workplace, and the sports clubs and the bars, it's not pleasant, and it's up to other men to say no. Turning a blind eye and letting it carry on makes you no better than those doing it, and yes it's hard, I know, I have been there, but even if they turn on you, it's still the right thing to do and telling others no makes you more a man and far stronger then they are for denigrating women.

And yes I understand that there is some stuff that women say and do to guys that isn't right either, but two wrongs don't make a right, and if your best excuse is no better than a 2-year old's come back of "But she did it too!" then you are a pathetic excuse for a man and need to grow up.
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Old 16th January 2019, 02:28 AM   #56
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I find this stuff annoyingly patronising.

If a young man's upbringing has turned him into a cock, the marketing department of the people he buys his razors from isn't going to help.

If, however, the person watching it is not a cock and has had a reasonable upbringing, then it's like having stumbled into a remedial class somewhere. Seriously, I'm getting really, really fed up of having to go over this material again cos the ******** haven't got it. Can we separate out the idiots and preach to them separately, because a lot of the rest of us are fed up with the repeated exhortations to not be somebody we're already not.
No, because the "rest of us" need to have a good reminder that it's up to us to tell the cocks that it's not okay. You're right though that it's not the marketing department of the people he buys his razors from's job to try and teach the jerk offs that their behaviour is unacceptable. The problem is that the people whose job it is, yours and mine, have been unwilling to step up and do it, and now when they are being told to get off their arses and fix the issue they are all whining like little babies about how unfair and condescending it all is. Well too bad, you want to stop being condescended to? Stop standing aside and letting the cocks make the rest of Male-kind look bad. Get off your arse and tell them to grow up and stop their bad behaviours.
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I guess while everyone else is playing hurt moron, that means Gillette razors and cream will be going on special and I'll be able to stock up. Go Gillette! I'm 100% behind them and I totally agree. There are a lot of men with sexist attitudes, violence issues, and who have no issues with forcing themselves on women, be it a grope at a bar or club, to demanding sexual favours to remain employed, and the majority of men that aren't doing that sort of thing need to stop standing by when they see it happening, and treating it as a joke.

It's not a joke to talk and laugh about how you'd like to have your female boss under your desk, or to discuss how "tight" a teenage colleague might be, even if you wouldn't actually act on it. I know what guys are like when they are in groups without women around. I have seen it in the workplace, and the sports clubs and the bars, it's not pleasant, and it's up to other men to say no. Turning a blind eye and letting it carry on makes you no better than those doing it, and yes it's hard, I know, I have been there, but even if they turn on you, it's still the right thing to do and telling others no makes you more a man and far stronger then they are for denigrating women.

And yes I understand that there is some stuff that women say and do to guys that isn't right either, but two wrongs don't make a right, and if your best excuse is no better than a 2-year old's come back of "But she did it too!" then you are a pathetic excuse for a man and need to grow up.
a) Apart from a couple of law firms where we live there are hardly any.

b) The vast vast majority of blokes who see these miniscule amounts of stuff don't "stand by when they see it happening, and treat it as a joke."
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a) Apart from a couple of law firms where we live there are hardly any.
Really? You know how many women find themselves being felt up in clubs? You know how every boss in NZ treats their female workers?

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b) The vast vast majority of blokes who see these miniscule amounts of stuff don't "stand by when they see it happening, and treat it as a joke."
Really? Remember Roast-Busters? When was the last time you heard about a guy getting called out in club by another guy for harassing a woman? (How about over one who wasn't his gf?) How about a guy telling another guy to can it when he was cat-calling? Seriously, if you don't think this stuff goes on in NZ, in the clubs, the streets and workplaces, then you are either being willfully blind or you are so incredibly sheltered you never leave your mum's basement.

And yes, in my experience the vast majority of guys DO treat it as a joke, or "well boys will be boys", especially what they consider minor, the "just for fun" stuff, and most of them react in shock and horror that "you can't take a joke" when they are confronted with their behaviour.
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Pretty dumb tbf
The butt hurt from male boomers has been.
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a) Apart from a couple of law firms where we live there are hardly any.
I also suggest talking to some women, you might be shocked.

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But it might give you an idea of what ordinary women have to put up with and why it's up to men to not only change their own behaviours, but to get those men around them to change theirs too. We can all be better men without having to be ******** who think with their fists and only see women as pieces of meat to be used and abused.

And yes, if you are already beyond that line, then congratulations on making it to the extraordinary level of decent human being, what do you want, a medal for understanding and living by acceptable civilised behaviour?

No, it's not enough to just be civilised yourself, as men it's our responsibility to try and educate and drag the Neanderthals among us into the 21st Century where men can be manly without getting ********* on alcohol and starting fights, and beating up your partner, or drunkenly assaulting women.
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Women can always buy the "men's" razors.
Mrs Analyst always has done, and continues to do so, even now that customer pressure has forced parity of prices in most major UK retailers.
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The people complaining are like the feminists they criticize: casting themselves as victims.

One of the up-voted commenters complains that the ad's saying all men are violent rapists. What the ****?

Is it true that men tend to be more violent than (say) women? Yes.
Is it true that the vast majority of rapes are committed by men? Yes.

Is it true the vast majority of men will never rape or violently attack anyone? Yes. So their customer base should be fine.

The ad's saying that when boys are punching each other, tell them to stop. Street harassment is not OK. In a meeting, be aware that it's presumptuous to explain what a woman's "really" trying to say.

Get a ******* grip.
But those are all the most fundamentally manly of things! How can someone be a man with out sexually harassing women? See the thread about people being upset that these things are an issue to psychologists.
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Real manly men don't want to be told that bullying is bad!
Real manly men want to gawk at the chiselled features of a male model wearing nothing but a towel!

Listen, I know it's annoying to get lectured, especially when it's just a cynical marketing ploy, and even more especially when you're held responsible for something you don't do, just because you're part of a group.

But is there anything actually wrong with their message?
Bullying, harrassment, sexism and so on are bad, and if we want to lessen their impact, we should speak up.
I disagree with those who say that's my duty as a man, but I would say that it's our duty as human beings. (Don't expect me to get into fistfights with strangers about this though)

Are people getting angry because they don't see anything wrong with the behavior and think their masculinity is under attack, or because they think it's insulting that they're expected to speak up to wrongdoers just because they've got a similar set of genitalia?
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I disagree with those who say that's my duty as a man, but I would say that it's our duty as human beings. (Don't expect me to get into fistfights with strangers about this though)
No one is expecting you to get in a fist fight over it, in fact that would be exactly the wrong thing when the message is that violence is not appropriate.

However I will disagree with you here. I get where you are coming from when you say that "it's our duty as human beings", but I'm going to point out why this is wrong. Half the population of Human Beings has been trying to tell men this message for decades, and those that need to hear and have the message driven into their skulls will not listen to them because when they feel so entitled that they can beat on, harass, sexually assault, and act in otherwise demeaning and sexist manners towards women, then they certainly far too entitled to ever listen to a "mere woman."

They might be willing to listen to a man, especially one they respect, so yes it is up to men to change the behaviours of those among us that are ******** to women. And also the ones that are ******** to men, because we are the ones they might actually listen too.

It's also on us to behave in the right ways, and to make sure that we are not being ********, because our sons are watching us, and it is from us that they will learn what is right and wrong, and how to be a real man without falling into the toxic behaviours that are both self destructive and also destructive to others. And that is not something that women can do for them.
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No, because the "rest of us" need to have a good reminder that it's up to us to tell the cocks that it's not okay.

This is not my experience.



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You're right though that it's not the marketing department of the people he buys his razors from's job to try and teach the jerk offs that their behaviour is unacceptable. The problem is that the people whose job it is, yours and mine, have been unwilling to step up and do it,
This is not my experience.


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and now when they are being told to get off their arses and fix the issue they are all whining like little babies about how unfair and condescending it all is.
This makes a number of inaccurate assumptions. You seem to think that I, and others, are going about our days deliberately ignoring things Gillette think we shouldn't. I can tell you that that's not true at all. I don't recognise the world you describe.


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Well too bad, you want to stop being condescended to? Stop standing aside and letting the cocks make the rest of Male-kind look bad.
With the greatest of respect, **** you. You don't know enough to accuse me of such inaction. You know nothing about me. Don't insult me like that.


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Get off your arse and tell them to grow up and stop their bad behaviours.
Been there, done that, still collecting tshirts. Your comments are, and I'm being very, very charitable here, inaccurate with respect to myself and those I associate with.
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Old 16th January 2019, 04:21 AM   #66
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Really? You know how many women find themselves being felt up in clubs? You know how every boss in NZ treats their female workers?



Really? Remember Roast-Busters? When was the last time you heard about a guy getting called out in club by another guy for harassing a woman? (How about over one who wasn't his gf?) How about a guy telling another guy to can it when he was cat-calling? Seriously, if you don't think this stuff goes on in NZ, in the clubs, the streets and workplaces, then you are either being willfully blind or you are so incredibly sheltered you never leave your mum's basement.

And yes, in my experience the vast majority of guys DO treat it as a joke, or "well boys will be boys", especially what they consider minor, the "just for fun" stuff, and most of them react in shock and horror that "you can't take a joke" when they are confronted with their behaviour.
Yes

And the roast busters were a few teenagers not bosses
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
And yes, in my experience the vast majority of guys DO treat it as a joke, or "well boys will be boys", especially what they consider minor, the "just for fun" stuff, and most of them react in shock and horror that "you can't take a joke" when they are confronted with their behaviour.
You're in dire need of a new social group.
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This is not my experience.
Well good for you, do you want a medal?

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This is not my experience.
Congratulation is you do stand up when you see it, you made it to the level of basic human decency.

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This makes a number of inaccurate assumptions. You seem to think that I, and others, are going about our days deliberately ignoring things Gillette think we shouldn't. I can tell you that that's not true at all. I don't recognise the world you describe.
If you don't recogcise it then either you live in an amazingly enlightened part of the world (I seriously doubt it) to you need to open your eyes and ask a few of the women you know about their experiences with harassment.

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With the greatest of respect, **** you. You don't know enough to accuse me of such inaction. You know nothing about me. Don't insult me like that.
Your reaction by itself speaks volumes.

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Been there, done that, still collecting tshirts. Your comments are, and I'm being very, very charitable here, inaccurate with respect to myself and those I associate with.
Well, well done you of making it beyond the stage of Homo Erectus, do you want a cookie for being a decent human being?
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I see their YouTube ad is doing well. 229K likes vs 598K dislikes.

Who would have thought that an ad for razors which does nothing but equate men with rapists would no be an instant success?
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You're in dire need of a new social group.
Or you need to open your eyes. It has nothing to do with my "social groups."

I have see it from work mates who range from blue collar to white collar workers. I have see in in most sports teams (both rugby and cricket) I have been associated with, even from fellow rugby referees when I was doing that. I have even heard and seen it from police officers that I have worked with. My social group range is pretty vast, and so are the behaviours.
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I see their YouTube ad is doing well. 229K likes vs 598K dislikes.

Who would have thought that an ad for razors which does nothing but equate men with rapists would no be an instant success?
Not that the ad actually did equate men to rapists, and nor was it an ad for razors, but is it a fact that most rapists are men? Like 95%+ of them?
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Well good for you, do you want a medal?



Congratulation is you do stand up when you see it, you made it to the level of basic human decency.



If you don't recogcise it then either you live in an amazingly enlightened part of the world (I seriously doubt it) to you need to open your eyes and ask a few of the women you know about their experiences with harassment.



Your reaction by itself speaks volumes.



Well, well done you of making it beyond the stage of Homo Erectus, do you want a cookie for being a decent human being?
You have made some extremely broad accusations of what "is real" in NZ Phantom

A bit of evidence other than roast busters is kind of wanting
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Not that the ad actually did equate men to rapists, but is it a fact that most rapists are men? Like 95%+ of them?
It is. But so what, it's an advert for razors FFS! Mothers are about 250% more likely to kill their children than fathers; maybe that can be worked into the next tampon ad.
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You have made some extremely broad accusations of what "is real" in NZ Phantom

A bit of evidence other than roast busters is kind of wanting
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...les-since-2015

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107...zealand-police

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...rk-survey.html

https://healthcentral.nz/young-femal...and-hospitals/

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...-harassment-v1

Yeah, just a few teens, nothing to worry about, and this is just the stuff that is big enough to get official complaints!
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It is. But so what, it's an advert for razors FFS! Mothers are about 250% more likely to kill their children than fathers; maybe that can be worked into the next tampon ad.
You haven't watched the ad have you? If you had, you'd know that it's not an ad for razors.

And nice Tu quoque fallacy there.
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I almost forgot about Piers Morgan's meltdown over the ad. That's another benefit.
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If Piers Morgan is annoyed - it's probably a good idea.
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If Piers Morgan is annoyed - it's probably a good idea.
And the prize for most triggered snowflake on Twitter goes to Pier....ohhh...wait...

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I like the ad and I've spent the last 24 hours screaming at anyone I find on social media that has issues with it. I unapologetically call them rapists until they block me. Because, seriously, if you have an issue with this advert you are a freaking rapist and no one will ever talk me out of that stance.
Jesus! Way to give up the sane high ground, Travster!
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BBC News: Gillette faces backlash and boycott over '#MeToo advert'

"A Gillette advert which references bullying, the #MeToo movement and toxic masculinity has split opinion online.

The razor company's short film, called Believe, plays on their famous slogan "The best a man can get", replacing it with "The best men can be".

The company says it wants men to hold each other "accountable".
Laudable aims but A) not great for a razor company and B) at some point, too much of this well-meaning stuff will just create a backlash, if it isn't already the case.

Anyway, I'll stick with my Philips.
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Jesus! Way to give up the sane high ground, Travster!
You’re only noticing now?
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