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If it helps, I think Thermal is less dead-set on Beckham specifically being absolutely wrong, and more upset that it looked to him like everyone was refusing to consider even the possibility due to what Cassidy is accused of.
I can only assure everyone that in my particular case that's not it. I genuinely feel that certain crimes justify a certain level of force by witnesses to capture and hold someone for police if they choose that risk; and I genuinely don't feel that Cassidy's injuries in specific, which a doctor decided didn't require any treatment, do not indicate an excessive level of force was used. But, I DO feel there is a limit. As a point in support, I'll re-invoke a case I recalled earlier, where a man caught another man in the act of sexually assaulting his young son and proceeded to pulp the offender's face. In that instance, I agree that forceful intervention was necessary; and given the man was actually in the process of assaulting the child when he was spotted, I would even go as far as to say that more force to subdue him than would be justified in subduing Cassidy, for instance, was be allowable. But even so, I did NOT agree with the amount of force the father ended up using in that case; it was far, far more than was ever reasonably necessary to subdue the offender. Visibly the guy didn't just have a bruise and a busted lip; his face looked like something you'd pull out of the freezer to thaw the night before Thanksgiving. |
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The name in the report is Antonio. That's Beckham (we call him Tony but his actual name is Antonio). The other tenant at 2050 was evidently not named or spoken to on the scene.
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Yeah, pretty much. To interpret TB's actions, we need some kind of legal standard, which I think is pretty ambiguous as written (citizens arrest, in particular). I've been trying since the OP to discuss the generality, then apply it to Beckham to see if it flies. Hasn't worked in ten pages, and I don't imagine it will start anytime soon. See ya on the next one. |
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#364 |
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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The prosecutor can drop the charges, the judge can dismiss the charges, etc.
The judge or prosecutor can also decide that Beckham used excessive force. There is still plenty of opportunity for Beckham to need to legally defend his actions. |
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Cassidy's bond was listed at $1,500.00 previously.
I just checked and it's now listed as $5,000.00 |
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Mr. Cassidy's first court appearance was 30 January - seems the felony charges were dropped, misdemeanor charges were filed and bail was increased to $5,000. Cassidy has plead not guilty. Next court date is 19 February.
https://applications.mypalmbeachcler...ndingPage.aspx (Free court records search, just click 'continue as guest'.) |
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Well then I am fine with the ass kicking even more.
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Voyeurism I get but can can it also be considered trespassing? There's also the matter of fleeing from police (don't know if that's a crime in itself).
I don't know what else he can get charged with based on what he actually did. He didn't rape or even touch the girl so it's not sexual assault or sexual abuse. He's obviously not considered dangerous. With luck he tops out at a peeping Tom and is not someone who would graduate to physical harm. Being a sleaze is not actually a crime. |
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Interesting that his charges were reduced from felonies to misdemeanors and his bail amount was more than tripled.
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