horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett - Page 3

Drewbot · 30th January 2019, 07:48 AM

Another thing, I can't even find "East Lower Water Street" in Chicago

Drewbot · 30th January 2019, 07:52 AM

Real question is, why would he go to Subway?

angrysoba · 30th January 2019, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

https://www.aclu-il.org/en/press-rel...ices-south-and

Originally Posted by MikeG

Wrong time of day (late morning as opposed to middle of the night). So, as I said, got any evidence? And do you know this was made a Piority 1 call?

From what I understand, he went to Subway at 2, and "shortly after" was attacked. He "made contact" with cops at 2:43.

It doesn't mean he called the cops and they only arrived 45 minutes later.

Drewbot · 30th January 2019, 07:53 AM

Reading more into it, it said he walked on his own to the hospital.
I think Police were called there.

angrysoba · 30th January 2019, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Real question is, why would he go to Subway?

Is this a serious question? As in, "I cannot believe that anyone would ever eat at Subway!" It stays in business so somebody must do.

Or

"Why would a celebrity eat at Subway when they can get roast peasant on toast delivered to their door on a silver platter?"

Or...or...what?

JoeMorgue · 30th January 2019, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Real question is, why would he go to Subway?

Jesus Christ man maybe he just wanted to go to frickin' Subway?

So what a wealthy, famous-ish gay black man going to Subway is sinister?

Myriad · 30th January 2019, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

So what a wealthy, famous-ish gay black man going to Subway is sinister?

I imagine he was just looking for a footlong.

ponderingturtle · 30th January 2019, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Jesus Christ man maybe he just wanted to go to frickin' Subway?

So what a wealthy, famous-ish gay black man going to Subway is sinister?

It is always sinister when the wealthy eat fast food, see Billionaire Trump claiming to eat fast food all the time. That is totally unbelievable to everyone.

sadhatter · 30th January 2019, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Which according to some people on this board is literally every crime against black people ever.

And really this whole "Oh black people... don't you be lying now I might not believe you in the future" would come across as a lot more genuine if there was a chance the usual suspects are ever going to believe a report of a white on black crime isn't just race baiting by those uppity colored folks.

You realize you just set up a no win contest right?

If someone thinks it's fake they are obviously racist. So no need to look at their evidence.

If it is fake it doesn't matter because people only thought it fake because they were racist.

There is no way for your point to be disproven. That isn't skepticism, that is faith.

Whether this happened or not is secondary to the fact that you are afraid enough of being wrong and having to examine your views that you feel the need to set up a "heads I win tails you lose" scenario to avoid this.

MikeG · 30th January 2019, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Another thing, I can't even find "East Lower Water Street" in Chicago

Lower East South Water Street. You guys have such imaginative names.

William Parcher · 30th January 2019, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

The only thing I can think of is a domestic dispute where he still wants to protect his partner.

That was my thought.

People are saying swollen face as if it was beaten. But if it is actually swollen then it is uniform throughout his face and not specific areas. Also he has light skin which should show bruising if he was beaten.

I look at the cheek cut and see that it is not continuous. It reminds me of a fingernail scratch, or something else was dragged across the cheek.

AJM8125 · 30th January 2019, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Personally, I feel the lack of video evidence and the idea he walked around with a noose around his neck for 45 minutes is a bit troubling.

Even a grainy glimpse of two men in the general vicinity at the time and evidence of bleach on the ground at the crime scene would be helpful.

MikeG · 30th January 2019, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Reading more into it, it said he walked on his own to the hospital.
I think Police were called there.

So you withdraw this then, I take it:

Originally Posted by Drewbot

I've been to that part of Chicago, the cops are quick to respond.

This wasn't the South Side, this was Streeterville.

no way 45 minutes from time of attack to the cops getting there.

Drewbot · 30th January 2019, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Jesus Christ man maybe he just wanted to go to frickin' Subway?

So what a wealthy, famous-ish gay black man going to Subway is sinister?

Sinister?
What? It's just kind of gross. A subway open at 2AM, you know how long that tuna fish has been sitting out?

The Big Dog · 30th January 2019, 08:14 AM

He wasn't on a scooter, he was out wandering around in 5 degree temperatures on lower level streets in Chicago.

He undoubtedly slipped on ice and fell and got a teeny cut on his face and maybe broke a rib.

No maga chanting white supremacists will ever be found of course

Belz... · 30th January 2019, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Sinister?
What? It's just kind of gross. A subway open at 2AM, you know how long that tuna fish has been sitting out?

Dude, it's cooked.

baron · 30th January 2019, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

The most questionable thing about this is two white racists recognizing an actor from Empire.

Well, that and the idea that two white racists would walk around wearing ski masks, carrying bleach and a noose, in the streets of a big city, without being seen by another living soul, just in case they bumped into a famous black man.

It's got everything but a burning cross.

angrysoba · 30th January 2019, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

He wasn't on a scooter, he was out wandering around in 5 degree temperatures on lower level streets in Chicago.

He undoubtedly slipped on ice and fell and got a teeny cut on his face and maybe broke a rib.

No maga chanting white supremacists will ever be found of course

The idea that there were MAGA white supremacists going round at 2 in the morning with nooses and "chemicals that might have been bleach" seems odd indeed, but your scenario that he was out, slipped on some ice and then decided, "I know, I'll just find some nearby rope and some bleach, walk to the hospital and claim it was MAGA guys" seems even more bizarre and unbelievable.

William Parcher · 30th January 2019, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Even a grainy glimpse of two men in the general vicinity at the time and evidence of bleach on the ground at the crime scene would be helpful.

It's easy to know if a person has been doused with bleach. Strong odor and the clothing turns white right in front of your eyes.

Reports seem uncertain about the identity of the liquid but bleach ought to be unmistakable.

Stacko · 30th January 2019, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Dude, it's cooked.

They also only put set amounts out at a time so it's consistently being replaced.

baron · 30th January 2019, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

The idea that there were MAGA white supremacists going round at 2 in the morning with nooses and "chemicals that might have been bleach" seems odd indeed, but your scenario that he was out, slipped on some ice and then decided, "I know, I'll just find some nearby rope and some bleach, walk to the hospital and claim it was MAGA guys" seems even more bizarre and unbelievable.

What noose? What bleach?

angrysoba · 30th January 2019, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by baron

Well, that and the idea that two white racists would walk around wearing ski masks, carrying bleach and a noose, in the streets of a big city, without being seen by another living soul, just in case they bumped into a famous black man.

It's got everything but a burning cross.

The same guy they sent a letter to a couple of weeks back...in another city.

Yeah, this doesn't make complete sense, but some of the alternatives make less sense.

angrysoba · 30th January 2019, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by baron

What noose? What bleach?

Maybe the ones you referenced earlier?

Originally Posted by baron

Well, that and the idea that two white racists would walk around wearing ski masks, carrying bleach and a noose, in the streets of a big city, without being seen by another living soul, just in case they bumped into a famous black man.

It's got everything but a burning cross.

TragicMonkey · 30th January 2019, 08:21 AM

Jesus Upholstery Christ, not only must everyone take sides immediately but they are all remote CSI investigators! If you're that bored, have at it, but don't delude yourselves that there's anything of proper skepticism in this wild speculation. When did withholding judgment until evidence turned up become so unfashionable here? Criminy, this place is no better than the comments on Gawker.

AJM8125 · 30th January 2019, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Sinister?
What? It's just kind of gross. A subway open at 2AM, you know how long that tuna fish has been sitting out?

There’s a 24 hour subway within staggering distance of a pub I used to close on a regular basis. I was worried more about their customers at that hour than I was their food.

The feeling was likely mutual.

baron · 30th January 2019, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Maybe the ones you referenced earlier?

I was being facetious. My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported.

The Big Dog · 30th January 2019, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

The idea that there were MAGA white supremacists going round at 2 in the morning with nooses and "chemicals that might have been bleach" seems odd indeed, but your scenario that he was out, slipped on some ice and then decided, "I know, I'll just find some nearby rope and some bleach, walk to the hospital and claim it was MAGA guys" seems even more bizarre and unbelievable.

He didn't go directly to the hospital, he went to a friends house.

where one might find things like "bleach" and a "rope"

He went to the hospital later after the CPD had left

sadhatter · 30th January 2019, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Jesus Upholstery Christ, not only must everyone take sides immediately but they are all remote CSI investigators! If you're that bored, have at it, but don't delude yourselves that there's anything of proper skepticism in this wild speculation. When did withholding judgment until evidence turned up become so unfashionable here? Criminy, this place is no better than the comments on Gawker.

Its because of the polarization.

When everyone is on the attack or defense 24/7 every race related anything becomes a battleground. People are trying to get the high ground, as no matter how this turns out it is going to be blacks versus whites in the forum.

You know, solid progress toward equality.

Dave Rogers · 30th January 2019, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by baron

My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported.

In the testimony of the alleged victim, which is admissible as evidence in any sanely regulated courtroom. I think the word you were looking for is "proof".

Dave

angrysoba · 30th January 2019, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by baron

I was being facetious. My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported.

According to the TMZ report, the Chicago cops saw him wearing it.

Quote:

Chicago PD confirms to TMZ Jussie told them, in a follow-up interview, about the attackers yelling, "MAGA country."

They add Jussie still had the rope around his neck when he made contact with cops at 2:42 AM. Remember, the attack happened around 2 AM.

Puppycow · 30th January 2019, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by MikeG

So you withdraw this then, I take it:

I already explained this. It took police 10 minutes from the time of the 911 call. It was 45 minutes from the time of the alleged attack. After the alleged attack he went to his friend's apartment where his friend called 911. The police weren't called until 35 minutes after the attack.

baron · 30th January 2019, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

In the testimony of the alleged victim, which is admissible as evidence in any sanely regulated courtroom. I think the word you were looking for is "proof".

Thanks, but the word I was looking for was 'evidence', which is why I used it. Evidence as heard in a courtroom is a separate definition of the word and relates only to testimony given in a courtroom setting. It is a legal term. I was using the generic definition, meaning information which goes some way to proving (or disproving) something. There has been no legal hearing in this instance and therefore the only evidence I could be talking about is the latter definition.

If everybody would stop trying to score points by pretending I don't know the definition of common English words these threads would be a lot less cluttered, and posters wouldn't end up coming unstuck time and again.

LTC8K6 · 30th January 2019, 08:45 AM

I read a report that said it was just a thin rope and did not resemble a noose.

William Parcher · 30th January 2019, 08:50 AM

I read a report saying that he didn't identify the race of the attackers. IOW, he didn't say that they were white even when asked.

Senex · 30th January 2019, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Real question is, why would he go to Subway?

Originally Posted by Myriad

I imagine he was just looking for a footlong.

Another question is, why does he order mayonnaise and just leave it behind.

baron · 30th January 2019, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

According to the TMZ report, the Chicago cops saw him wearing it.

Quote:

They add Jussie still had the rope around his neck when he made contact with cops at 2:42 AM. Remember, the attack happened around 2 AM.

That's even more damning. Someone put a 'noose' around his neck as part of an attack (how does that happen?) and not only did he wander around wearing it for 30 minutes, he continued to wear it for another ten after he'd called round at his mate's house? What the..?

Belz... · 30th January 2019, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Jesus Upholstery Christ, not only must everyone take sides immediately but they are all remote CSI investigators! If you're that bored, have at it, but don't delude yourselves that there's anything of proper skepticism in this wild speculation. When did withholding judgment until evidence turned up become so unfashionable here? Criminy, this place is no better than the comments on Gawker.

TM, there's still open spots in my Hind-Wing political party I'm making. We're all about not taking sides since apparently, that's taking a side as well; might as well take that to heart. As discussed earlier our symbol is the microraptor, which actually had hind wings.

We're currently at one member it seems, but I hope to grow in the next quarter.

Whip · 30th January 2019, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Myriad

I imagine he was just looking for a footlong.

are you size shaming his partner?

and while having the noose still around his neck is fascinating, I see no mention of the bleached stained clothes that should be a result of having bleach poured on someone. much less, the distinct odor of bleach. Unless he was naked of course.

Foolmewunz · 30th January 2019, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

There are plenty of white on black crimes.
But a drunk guy falling off a Lime Scooter, and then making up an attack by white folks is just terrible.

I see. So it's suspicious that there's no video evidence of the attackers yet you assume he fell off a bike on those same well-scanned city streets and no one has a record of it. Or that he was in a bar fight... in a bar that has no CCTV and apparently no other patrons to have witnessed the event.

As hypotheticals go, this one really sucks.

TragicMonkey · 30th January 2019, 09:23 AM

I've never seen the show he's on, is it any good?

30th January 2019, 07:48 AM	#81
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30th January 2019, 07:52 AM	#82
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,964	Real question is, why would he go to Subway?
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30th January 2019, 07:52 AM	#83
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,782	Originally Posted by Drewbot https://www.aclu-il.org/en/press-rel...ices-south-and Originally Posted by MikeG Wrong time of day (late morning as opposed to middle of the night). So, as I said, got any evidence? And do you know this was made a Piority 1 call? From what I understand, he went to Subway at 2, and "shortly after" was attacked. He "made contact" with cops at 2:43. It doesn't mean he called the cops and they only arrived 45 minutes later.
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30th January 2019, 07:53 AM	#84
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,964	Reading more into it, it said he walked on his own to the hospital. I think Police were called there.
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30th January 2019, 07:55 AM	#85
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,782	Originally Posted by Drewbot Real question is, why would he go to Subway? Is this a serious question? As in, "I cannot believe that anyone would ever eat at Subway!" It stays in business so somebody must do. Or "Why would a celebrity eat at Subway when they can get roast peasant on toast delivered to their door on a silver platter?" Or...or...what?
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30th January 2019, 07:55 AM	#86
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 17,052	Originally Posted by Drewbot Real question is, why would he go to Subway? Jesus Christ man maybe he just wanted to go to frickin' Subway? So what a wealthy, famous-ish gay black man going to Subway is sinister?
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30th January 2019, 08:04 AM	#87
Myriad Hyperthetical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: A pocket paradise between the sewage treatment plant and the railroad Posts: 14,678	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue So what a wealthy, famous-ish gay black man going to Subway is sinister? I imagine he was just looking for a footlong.
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30th January 2019, 08:04 AM	#88
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 45,677	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Jesus Christ man maybe he just wanted to go to frickin' Subway? So what a wealthy, famous-ish gay black man going to Subway is sinister? It is always sinister when the wealthy eat fast food, see Billionaire Trump claiming to eat fast food all the time. That is totally unbelievable to everyone.
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30th January 2019, 08:06 AM	#89
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,498	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Which according to some people on this board is literally every crime against black people ever. And really this whole "Oh black people... don't you be lying now I might not believe you in the future" would come across as a lot more genuine if there was a chance the usual suspects are ever going to believe a report of a white on black crime isn't just race baiting by those uppity colored folks. You realize you just set up a no win contest right? If someone thinks it's fake they are obviously racist. So no need to look at their evidence. If it is fake it doesn't matter because people only thought it fake because they were racist. There is no way for your point to be disproven. That isn't skepticism, that is faith. Whether this happened or not is secondary to the fact that you are afraid enough of being wrong and having to examine your views that you feel the need to set up a "heads I win tails you lose" scenario to avoid this.
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30th January 2019, 08:06 AM	#90
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Originally Posted by Drewbot Another thing, I can't even find "East Lower Water Street" in Chicago Lower East South Water Street. You guys have such imaginative names.
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30th January 2019, 08:07 AM	#91
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,326	Originally Posted by alfaniner The only thing I can think of is a domestic dispute where he still wants to protect his partner. That was my thought. People are saying swollen face as if it was beaten. But if it is actually swollen then it is uniform throughout his face and not specific areas. Also he has light skin which should show bruising if he was beaten. I look at the cheek cut and see that it is not continuous. It reminds me of a fingernail scratch, or something else was dragged across the cheek.
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30th January 2019, 08:08 AM	#92
AJM8125 Potsing Whiled Runk Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 20,406	Originally Posted by Mike! Personally, I feel the lack of video evidence and the idea he walked around with a noose around his neck for 45 minutes is a bit troubling. Even a grainy glimpse of two men in the general vicinity at the time and evidence of bleach on the ground at the crime scene would be helpful.
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30th January 2019, 08:09 AM	#93
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Originally Posted by Drewbot Reading more into it, it said he walked on his own to the hospital. I think Police were called there. So you withdraw this then, I take it: Originally Posted by Drewbot I've been to that part of Chicago, the cops are quick to respond. This wasn't the South Side, this was Streeterville. no way 45 minutes from time of attack to the cops getting there.
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30th January 2019, 08:13 AM	#94
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,964	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Jesus Christ man maybe he just wanted to go to frickin' Subway? So what a wealthy, famous-ish gay black man going to Subway is sinister? Sinister? What? It's just kind of gross. A subway open at 2AM, you know how long that tuna fish has been sitting out?
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30th January 2019, 08:14 AM	#95
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	He wasn't on a scooter, he was out wandering around in 5 degree temperatures on lower level streets in Chicago. He undoubtedly slipped on ice and fell and got a teeny cut on his face and maybe broke a rib. No maga chanting white supremacists will ever be found of course
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30th January 2019, 08:16 AM	#96
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 80,615	Originally Posted by Drewbot Sinister? What? It's just kind of gross. A subway open at 2AM, you know how long that tuna fish has been sitting out? Dude, it's cooked.
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30th January 2019, 08:18 AM	#97
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by alfaniner The most questionable thing about this is two white racists recognizing an actor from Empire. Well, that and the idea that two white racists would walk around wearing ski masks, carrying bleach and a noose, in the streets of a big city, without being seen by another living soul, just in case they bumped into a famous black man. It's got everything but a burning cross.
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30th January 2019, 08:18 AM	#98
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,782	Originally Posted by The Big Dog He wasn't on a scooter, he was out wandering around in 5 degree temperatures on lower level streets in Chicago. He undoubtedly slipped on ice and fell and got a teeny cut on his face and maybe broke a rib. No maga chanting white supremacists will ever be found of course The idea that there were MAGA white supremacists going round at 2 in the morning with nooses and "chemicals that might have been bleach" seems odd indeed, but your scenario that he was out, slipped on some ice and then decided, "I know, I'll just find some nearby rope and some bleach, walk to the hospital and claim it was MAGA guys" seems even more bizarre and unbelievable.
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30th January 2019, 08:19 AM	#99
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,326	Originally Posted by AJM8125 Even a grainy glimpse of two men in the general vicinity at the time and evidence of bleach on the ground at the crime scene would be helpful. It's easy to know if a person has been doused with bleach. Strong odor and the clothing turns white right in front of your eyes. Reports seem uncertain about the identity of the liquid but bleach ought to be unmistakable.
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30th January 2019, 08:19 AM	#100
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,770	Originally Posted by Belz... Dude, it's cooked. They also only put set amounts out at a time so it's consistently being replaced.

30th January 2019, 08:20 AM	#101
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by angrysoba The idea that there were MAGA white supremacists going round at 2 in the morning with nooses and "chemicals that might have been bleach" seems odd indeed, but your scenario that he was out, slipped on some ice and then decided, "I know, I'll just find some nearby rope and some bleach, walk to the hospital and claim it was MAGA guys" seems even more bizarre and unbelievable. What noose? What bleach?
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30th January 2019, 08:20 AM	#102
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,782	Originally Posted by baron Well, that and the idea that two white racists would walk around wearing ski masks, carrying bleach and a noose, in the streets of a big city, without being seen by another living soul, just in case they bumped into a famous black man. It's got everything but a burning cross. The same guy they sent a letter to a couple of weeks back...in another city. Yeah, this doesn't make complete sense, but some of the alternatives make less sense.
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30th January 2019, 08:21 AM	#103
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,782	Originally Posted by baron What noose? What bleach? Maybe the ones you referenced earlier? Originally Posted by baron Well, that and the idea that two white racists would walk around wearing ski masks, carrying bleach and a noose, in the streets of a big city, without being seen by another living soul, just in case they bumped into a famous black man. It's got everything but a burning cross.
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30th January 2019, 08:21 AM	#104
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 48,264	Jesus Upholstery Christ, not only must everyone take sides immediately but they are all remote CSI investigators! If you're that bored, have at it, but don't delude yourselves that there's anything of proper skepticism in this wild speculation. When did withholding judgment until evidence turned up become so unfashionable here? Criminy, this place is no better than the comments on Gawker.
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30th January 2019, 08:26 AM	#105
AJM8125 Potsing Whiled Runk Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 20,406	Originally Posted by Drewbot Sinister? What? It's just kind of gross. A subway open at 2AM, you know how long that tuna fish has been sitting out? There’s a 24 hour subway within staggering distance of a pub I used to close on a regular basis. I was worried more about their customers at that hour than I was their food. The feeling was likely mutual.
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30th January 2019, 08:29 AM	#106
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by angrysoba Maybe the ones you referenced earlier? I was being facetious. My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported.
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30th January 2019, 08:31 AM	#107
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by angrysoba The idea that there were MAGA white supremacists going round at 2 in the morning with nooses and "chemicals that might have been bleach" seems odd indeed, but your scenario that he was out, slipped on some ice and then decided, "I know, I'll just find some nearby rope and some bleach, walk to the hospital and claim it was MAGA guys" seems even more bizarre and unbelievable. He didn't go directly to the hospital, he went to a friends house. where one might find things like "bleach" and a "rope" He went to the hospital later after the CPD had left
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30th January 2019, 08:32 AM	#108
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,498	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Jesus Upholstery Christ, not only must everyone take sides immediately but they are all remote CSI investigators! If you're that bored, have at it, but don't delude yourselves that there's anything of proper skepticism in this wild speculation. When did withholding judgment until evidence turned up become so unfashionable here? Criminy, this place is no better than the comments on Gawker. Its because of the polarization. When everyone is on the attack or defense 24/7 every race related anything becomes a battleground. People are trying to get the high ground, as no matter how this turns out it is going to be blacks versus whites in the forum. You know, solid progress toward equality.
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30th January 2019, 08:33 AM	#109
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 28,836	Originally Posted by baron My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported. In the testimony of the alleged victim, which is admissible as evidence in any sanely regulated courtroom. I think the word you were looking for is "proof". Dave
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30th January 2019, 08:38 AM	#110
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 24,782	Originally Posted by baron I was being facetious. My point is, where is the evidence of this noose, and this bleach, and further to that, where is the evidence they were used as reported. According to the TMZ report, the Chicago cops saw him wearing it. Quote: Chicago PD confirms to TMZ Jussie told them, in a follow-up interview, about the attackers yelling, "MAGA country." They add Jussie still had the rope around his neck when he made contact with cops at 2:42 AM. Remember, the attack happened around 2 AM.
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30th January 2019, 08:39 AM	#111
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 23,233	Originally Posted by MikeG So you withdraw this then, I take it: I already explained this. It took police 10 minutes from the time of the 911 call. It was 45 minutes from the time of the alleged attack. After the alleged attack he went to his friend's apartment where his friend called 911. The police weren't called until 35 minutes after the attack.
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30th January 2019, 08:42 AM	#112
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers In the testimony of the alleged victim, which is admissible as evidence in any sanely regulated courtroom. I think the word you were looking for is "proof". Thanks, but the word I was looking for was 'evidence', which is why I used it. Evidence as heard in a courtroom is a separate definition of the word and relates only to testimony given in a courtroom setting. It is a legal term. I was using the generic definition, meaning information which goes some way to proving (or disproving) something. There has been no legal hearing in this instance and therefore the only evidence I could be talking about is the latter definition. If everybody would stop trying to score points by pretending I don't know the definition of common English words these threads would be a lot less cluttered, and posters wouldn't end up coming unstuck time and again.
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30th January 2019, 08:45 AM	#113
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 21,352	I read a report that said it was just a thin rope and did not resemble a noose.
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30th January 2019, 08:50 AM	#114
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,326	I read a report saying that he didn't identify the race of the attackers. IOW, he didn't say that they were white even when asked.
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30th January 2019, 08:54 AM	#115
Senex Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: School for Rumpology, CT Posts: 5,722	Originally Posted by Drewbot Real question is, why would he go to Subway? Originally Posted by Myriad I imagine he was just looking for a footlong. Another question is, why does he order mayonnaise and just leave it behind.
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