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Fundy Islam is closer to hardcore socialism actually
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That's probably it. The Christian fundamentalists* are closer to what had been considered mainstream fifty years ago - in the UK, I'd say there was a general unthinking acceptance of Christianity even if not many actively believed or thought much about it.
Islam never was in that position in the UK. *a couple of whom would fit right in in the Bible Belt, whereas the other has more of a religious vocabulary from the Seventeenth, or even Sixteenth Century. |
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OECD healthcare spending Expenditure on healthcare http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/health-data.htm link is 2015 data (2013 Data below): UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending |
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Being a part of the military isn't your regular job contract, and "qualified" is up to the military to decide. They use good and bad reasons to rule people out at the first selection stages because it saves money from having to do more expensive assessments.
For example, iirc there is a rule that if you have taken medication as a child for things like ADD/ADHD you are automatically disqualified, despite this not reasonably making any sense. Banning trans folk (people who are at extremely high risk for suicide/depression) from the military is a good way to save yourself from a lot of suicide/depression which puts the entire team at risk, and at minimal cost (no need for assessments). I don't like it, but money resources aren't infinite and there are plenty of people who are still signing up who are more qualified on average, so why dip into other riskier demographics? and let's be clear here: it's not just a minor difference in suicide and depression, it is a massive discrepancy and we're talking about a very tiny demographic. edit: and "seeking employment" is fine... but being rejected based on the military's best interests is also fine |
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Hell this is the army, people found it shocking to have to work for a colored officer, in 2003.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/m...est-point.html "“Sir, I never thought I’d see the day I’d be working for a colored officer.” These were not words I expected to hear, in 2003, from a senior enlisted soldier." Maybe we need to do a bit more work on all kinds of bigotry in the military. |
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In the US Military, you can be dropped during Basic Training for just about any reason the military..or to be more precise, the Senior Drill Sergeant and the Training Officers ..see fit.
When I was in, it was called ELS..Entry Level Seperation. If you graduate basic, then they have to go through more formal court martial procedures to get rid of you. And some forms of discrimination that are lllegal in civilian life are necessary for the military.....like the disability rules. Physical fitness is considered vital whatever your job is in the military. |
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Gee, I wonder what causes the increased suicide risk.
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I don't. It's quite obvious that having your brain chemistry conflict with the rest of your body is a big part of it. I would also add that social factors and things like discrimination would also play a role, but I think it's quite foolish to frame the cause as strictly a lack of social acceptance. Unless you have really strong evidence for that (I've heard mixed things).
It is a reasonable inference without evidence more specific evidence that they are a higher risk. Not to mention possible confusion/non-acceptance of those around them, which would weaken the strength of a group (morale, teamwork, etc. though I doubt as much as suicide itself would). Anyway... this thread isn't about trans military ban stuff. I just thought it was a silly comparison to use "being in the military" as a human right. |
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