Why Trump/Hitler Comparisons are Unfair - Page 5

Upchurch · 28th June 2018, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Case in point: this post was intended to be serious, but it isn't.

It was actually sarcasm pointing out intellectual dishonesty. So, as you say, "case in point". Thanks.

Delvo · 28th June 2018, 12:45 PM

But... but... but he called it!

Hellbound · 28th June 2018, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Delvo

But... but... but he called it!

Shotgun!

There, now I've called it.

dudalb · 28th June 2018, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

May as well run ads about "the democrat plantation", while they're at it - or Dolt 45's love of Puerto Rico.

I think Trump's real attitude toward Puerto Rico is best described by Mr.Sondheim lyrics to "America" from "West Side Story":

Puerto Rico, Land Of My Devotion,
Let It Sink Slowly Back Into The Ocean....

(yes, I know the context in the play is totally different, but my point still stands...

Craig4 · 28th June 2018, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

Trump is not like Hitler. If Goebel was asked to leave a restaurant, the place would be burned down, and the owner murdered. Trump supporters will write fake reviews, and disrupt the restaurant that the propaganda minister was asked to leave. Trump supporters will also make hypocritical statements, and project much. ( but don't throw out the minister of propaganda, next time serve an empty plate. MoP says, "there is no food". Waiter, "cook says the food is there", Mop, "I don't see it", or something that matches the MoP modus operandi, or short sentences the MoP can understand? )

Trump is not like Hitler, the Germans kept better records and created an industry, they knew exactly where they sent kids, parents, and others they were cleansing. Trump has no clue. (Trump has no clue what or how a law is a law, Hitler needed no laws)

Trump is 'snot' like Hitler, Trump says there are good people on both sides - Hitler would kill the people on the other side.

But if done with solid production values and the right visuals and audio it could work. Just think an ad with Hitler standing over the people raising their hands, swearing to turn out to vote dissolving into the torchlight march in Charlottesville with the audio of the very fine people speech over the sound of goose-stepping Nazis. A brief stock video of a Jewish child in a ghetto dissolving over Trumps camps for kids. The association can be made and it can be made to stick. How many undecided voters still think Hillary took bribes over Uranium One?

That would be a really powerful image, Trump and his supporters raising their hands over the sound of jackboots on pavement.

The Atheist · 28th June 2018, 05:47 PM

Lurch · 29th June 2018, 01:43 AM

Actually, in one respect are Trump and Hitler alike. Both men think/thought they know more then the 'experts', preferring to run the show based on their divinely ordained superior gut instincts.

Upchurch · 29th June 2018, 07:41 AM

Just a reminder, we already have a thread about Trump's Supreme Court nomination and it isn't this thread.

G6000 · 29th June 2018, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Oystein

That's a lie.

Trump's supporters have lots of problems. They're bringing the KKK. They're bringing the Nazis. They're racists. Some, I assume, are good people.

The Atheist · 29th June 2018, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lurch

... their divinely ordained superior gut instincts.

You've got that slightly wrong.

I'm sure Hitler did genuinely believe his god was on his side. (At least at the start)

Trump's only god is himself. His christianity is as fake as his tan.

Agatha · 1st July 2018, 01:17 PM

A number of posts which were more focused on the nomination to replace Justice Kennedy have been moved to a more appropriate thread.

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Craig4 · 2nd July 2018, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

You've got that slightly wrong.

I'm sure Hitler did genuinely believe his god was on his side. (At least at the start)

Trump's only god is himself. His christianity is as fake as his tan.

True but I think that attack would only resonate with his base and that needle doesn't appear to be moving much. A Nazi comparison if done well would appeal to the critical "lesser of two evils voter". There's enough good video and audio out there to make it work on the surface. Anyone who looks too closely at the comparison is probably already pro US and their vote would be anti Trump regardless.

The Atheist · 2nd July 2018, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

True but I think that attack would only resonate with his base and that needle doesn't appear to be moving much.

It shows how much the christian right wants to attack human rights - they're prepared to make a pact with the devil to get what they want.

They probably wouldn't care if he was Hitler, as long they get a sniff of Roe being overturned. They'll take racism; they'll take abuse of a Gold Star family; they accept he's an adulterer; they'll take human rights abuses against migrants...

acbytesla · 2nd July 2018, 08:42 PM

There are many similarities and differences between Hitler and Trump. So some of the comparisons are fair. But so far the similarities are limited to propaganda, xenophobia, and their respect for democracy. Trump has been tearing at the institutions and checks and balances pretty hard. His attitude towards the press is a spot on match. Trump is a dictator wannabe not so much a Hitler wannabe. And lastly, Hitler was far more racist. Far more cruel and violent and much smarter.

Craig4 · 3rd July 2018, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

It shows how much the christian right wants to attack human rights - they're prepared to make a pact with the devil to get what they want.

They probably wouldn't care if he was Hitler, as long they get a sniff of Roe being overturned. They'll take racism; they'll take abuse of a Gold Star family; they accept he's an adulterer; they'll take human rights abuses against migrants...

True but I like to deal with the world as I find it. The needle only has to move on one class of voter a little bit to make the Trump problem go away. There aren't many of them and they live in four or five places. It's all about finding the message or combination of messages to sway certain voters.

Delvo · 6th July 2018, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

If Goebel was asked to leave a restaurant, the place would be burned down, and the owner murdered.

Originally Posted by Delvo

Can there be any serious doubt that Trump would too, if he could? He's already told his followers at a rally that they should attack a protester, said someone should assassinate Clinton if she won, defended a murderer who was on his political side for murdering their opponents, obsessively sought ways to kick millions of people who mostly didn't and wouldn't vote for him off of any & all health care knowing that that would kill dozens of thousands of them per year, tried to ruin the lives of opponents and immigrants as much as he can without killing them, tried to discredit/destroy basic democratic institutions like free press and actual law enforcement so they'd be less restrictive and he could more easily do even more and worse... you're not talking about a difference between him and Hitler; it's just a difference between the times & places in which they find themselves.

And now, soon after the murder of several journalists, he's done another round of blathering about what horrible monsters journalists are at another one of his endless campaign rallies in front of a crowd full of gun-toting cult-maniacs. There's no way that wasn't an attempt to rile some of them up to go do more journalist-murdering.

28th June 2018, 11:03 AM	#161
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,923	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Case in point: this post was intended to be serious, but it isn't. It was actually sarcasm pointing out intellectual dishonesty. So, as you say, "case in point". Thanks.
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28th June 2018, 01:45 PM	#164
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 55,476	Originally Posted by Mumbles May as well run ads about "the democrat plantation", while they're at it - or Dolt 45's love of Puerto Rico. I think Trump's real attitude toward Puerto Rico is best described by Mr.Sondheim lyrics to "America" from "West Side Story": Puerto Rico, Land Of My Devotion, Let It Sink Slowly Back Into The Ocean.... (yes, I know the context in the play is totally different, but my point still stands...
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28th June 2018, 05:47 PM	#166
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29th June 2018, 07:41 AM	#168
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,923	Just a reminder, we already have a thread about Trump's Supreme Court nomination and it isn't this thread.
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29th June 2018, 09:33 AM	#169
G6000 Muse Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 671	Originally Posted by Oystein That's a lie. Trump's supporters have lots of problems. They're bringing the KKK. They're bringing the Nazis. They're racists. Some, I assume, are good people.
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28th June 2018, 12:45 PM	#162
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 10,347	But... but... but he called it!

28th June 2018, 12:49 PM	#163
Hellbound Merchant of Doom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not in Hell, but I can see it from here on a clear day... Posts: 14,855	Originally Posted by Delvo But... but... but he called it! Shotgun! There, now I've called it.

28th June 2018, 03:34 PM	#165
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 25,303	Originally Posted by beachnut Trump is not like Hitler. If Goebel was asked to leave a restaurant, the place would be burned down, and the owner murdered. Trump supporters will write fake reviews, and disrupt the restaurant that the propaganda minister was asked to leave. Trump supporters will also make hypocritical statements, and project much. ( but don't throw out the minister of propaganda, next time serve an empty plate. MoP says, "there is no food". Waiter, "cook says the food is there", Mop, "I don't see it", or something that matches the MoP modus operandi, or short sentences the MoP can understand? ) Trump is not like Hitler, the Germans kept better records and created an industry, they knew exactly where they sent kids, parents, and others they were cleansing. Trump has no clue. (Trump has no clue what or how a law is a law, Hitler needed no laws) Trump is 'snot' like Hitler, Trump says there are good people on both sides - Hitler would kill the people on the other side. But if done with solid production values and the right visuals and audio it could work. Just think an ad with Hitler standing over the people raising their hands, swearing to turn out to vote dissolving into the torchlight march in Charlottesville with the audio of the very fine people speech over the sound of goose-stepping Nazis. A brief stock video of a Jewish child in a ghetto dissolving over Trumps camps for kids. The association can be made and it can be made to stick. How many undecided voters still think Hillary took bribes over Uranium One? That would be a really powerful image, Trump and his supporters raising their hands over the sound of jackboots on pavement.

29th June 2018, 01:43 AM	#167
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,168	Actually, in one respect are Trump and Hitler alike. Both men think/thought they know more then the 'experts', preferring to run the show based on their divinely ordained superior gut instincts.

29th June 2018, 04:38 PM	#170
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,887	Originally Posted by Lurch ... their divinely ordained superior gut instincts. You've got that slightly wrong. I'm sure Hitler did genuinely believe his god was on his side. (At least at the start) Trump's only god is himself. His christianity is as fake as his tan.
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2nd July 2018, 06:51 PM	#172
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 25,303	Originally Posted by The Atheist You've got that slightly wrong. I'm sure Hitler did genuinely believe his god was on his side. (At least at the start) Trump's only god is himself. His christianity is as fake as his tan. True but I think that attack would only resonate with his base and that needle doesn't appear to be moving much. A Nazi comparison if done well would appeal to the critical "lesser of two evils voter". There's enough good video and audio out there to make it work on the surface. Anyone who looks too closely at the comparison is probably already pro US and their vote would be anti Trump regardless.

2nd July 2018, 08:14 PM	#173
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,887	Originally Posted by Craig4 True but I think that attack would only resonate with his base and that needle doesn't appear to be moving much. It shows how much the christian right wants to attack human rights - they're prepared to make a pact with the devil to get what they want. They probably wouldn't care if he was Hitler, as long they get a sniff of Roe being overturned. They'll take racism; they'll take abuse of a Gold Star family; they accept he's an adulterer; they'll take human rights abuses against migrants...
	__________________ The point of equilibrium has passed; satire and current events are now indistinguishable.

2nd July 2018, 08:42 PM	#174
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 30,543	There are many similarities and differences between Hitler and Trump. So some of the comparisons are fair. But so far the similarities are limited to propaganda, xenophobia, and their respect for democracy. Trump has been tearing at the institutions and checks and balances pretty hard. His attitude towards the press is a spot on match. Trump is a dictator wannabe not so much a Hitler wannabe. And lastly, Hitler was far more racist. Far more cruel and violent and much smarter.
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3rd July 2018, 03:06 AM	#175
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 25,303	Originally Posted by The Atheist It shows how much the christian right wants to attack human rights - they're prepared to make a pact with the devil to get what they want. They probably wouldn't care if he was Hitler, as long they get a sniff of Roe being overturned. They'll take racism; they'll take abuse of a Gold Star family; they accept he's an adulterer; they'll take human rights abuses against migrants... True but I like to deal with the world as I find it. The needle only has to move on one class of voter a little bit to make the Trump problem go away. There aren't many of them and they live in four or five places. It's all about finding the message or combination of messages to sway certain voters.

6th July 2018, 07:58 PM	#176
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 10,347	Originally Posted by beachnut If Goebel was asked to leave a restaurant, the place would be burned down, and the owner murdered. Originally Posted by Delvo Can there be any serious doubt that Trump would too, if he could? He's already told his followers at a rally that they should attack a protester, said someone should assassinate Clinton if she won, defended a murderer who was on his political side for murdering their opponents, obsessively sought ways to kick millions of people who mostly didn't and wouldn't vote for him off of any & all health care knowing that that would kill dozens of thousands of them per year, tried to ruin the lives of opponents and immigrants as much as he can without killing them, tried to discredit/destroy basic democratic institutions like free press and actual law enforcement so they'd be less restrictive and he could more easily do even more and worse... you're not talking about a difference between him and Hitler; it's just a difference between the times & places in which they find themselves. And now, soon after the murder of several journalists, he's done another round of blathering about what horrible monsters journalists are at another one of his endless campaign rallies in front of a crowd full of gun-toting cult-maniacs. There's no way that wasn't an attempt to rile some of them up to go do more journalist-murdering.