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Old 30th May 2021, 05:30 PM   #161
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Belz... I only bring him up to illustrate the toxicity of some on the American left when someone otherwise thought of as on their side on most issues tried to offer some perspective on Biden v Trump. And he was right!
I was just doing my PSA for the day.
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Old 31st May 2021, 09:15 AM   #162
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The danger in the many anti-democratic moves by the GOP make the concern over killing - no, even just modifying - the filibuster seem quaint.

Can someone tell Manchin and Sinema?
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Old 31st May 2021, 03:05 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Paul2 View Post
The danger in the many anti-democratic moves by the GOP make the concern over killing - no, even just modifying - the filibuster seem quaint.

Can someone tell Manchin and Sinema?
I kind of agree with Manchin that instead of killing the filibuster they need to return it to being hard to use. When a bill can be killed on the threat of the filibuster then it's too easy. If someone wants to use it, they should have to work hard for it. Force them to stand there and talk for 24 hours on the topic of the bill, or even better, make it 48 and allow them to switch out once, but they have to remain on topic without repeating themselves or it's over. Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate?
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Old 31st May 2021, 09:49 PM   #164
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Maybe it's my tendency to logic, or propensity for fair play.

it seems wrong to require 60 votes to get a bill to go to the floor for discussion when the vote to pass it is 50 plus 1.

And it's all the more egregious when the filibuster succeeds if the votes are 53 to 35. Probably something as unbalanced as, say, 59 to 30 would still have the minority win. Just doesn't seem right...
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Old 1st June 2021, 02:54 AM   #165
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I kind of agree with Manchin that instead of killing the filibuster they need to return it to being hard to use. When a bill can be killed on the threat of the filibuster then it's too easy. If someone wants to use it, they should have to work hard for it. Force them to stand there and talk for 24 hours on the topic of the bill, or even better, make it 48 and allow them to switch out once, but they have to remain on topic without repeating themselves or it's over. Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate?
Follow the rules of "just a minute" where the contestants have to speak on a subject for one minute without hesitation, repetition (of any word apart from a handful of very common words such as 'a', 'the', 'and', 'or' and so on) or deviation from the subject.

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Old 1st June 2021, 03:05 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
Maybe it's my tendency to logic, or propensity for fair play.

it seems wrong to require 60 votes to get a bill to go to the floor for discussion when the vote to pass it is 50 plus 1.

And it's all the more egregious when the filibuster succeeds if the votes are 53 to 35. Probably something as unbalanced as, say, 59 to 30 would still have the minority win. Just doesn't seem right...
That's because we live in Canada and we have a sensible democratic system. Imagine being in federal election for two years rather than, what, 5 weeks? Imagine waiting 4 hours in line to vote rather than 4 minutes. Imagine voting for public jobs that we have no business deciding. Imagine a Canadian politician spending half their time trying to get money for their next election. Etc.

The other day I compared the Canadian and US systems to Intelligent Design and Evolution, respectively. The former is efficient and lean, and makes sense to an observer. The latter is a messy, inefficient bureaucratic nightmare that all sorts of garbage DNA, but it kinda works anyway, and you don't dare try to alter it lest you just screw up the whole thing.
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The result or not, without another cult leader the movement of rightwing radicals can follow, they will remain disorganized malcontents.

At this point in time, no way are those legislators capable of attracting and commanding a following.
The 2022 midterms are going to be critical. I hope that the polls are right (and that the numbers stay that way) and Republicans are voted out of Congress and state government in a big way. But, if the economy doesn't pick up as the pandemic winds down, or otherwise goes south, or there is some foreign policy crisis that Biden doesn't handle well, or is perceived by more than the right wing kooks as mishandling, things could turn. I think there is a very real risk that, if for whatever reason the current crop of Republicans gain power in 2022 or 2024, they may succeed establishing a permanent right-wing dictatorship. I think we were very fortunate that Trump, in spite of his ability to gain a cult following, was an inept buffoon. If somebody less incompetent succeeds in gaining control of the Trump cult, we could still be in for a rough ride. The pandemic, bad as it has been, may have been a blessing in disguise, as I think Trump would have stood a good chance of reelection without it. If his presidency had had another four years, especially had it been combined with a Republican Congress, I don't think we would have gotten rid of them without a violent revolution.
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Old 3rd June 2021, 04:37 AM   #168
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The 2022 midterms are going to be critical. I hope that the polls are right (and that the numbers stay that way) and Republicans are voted out of Congress and state government in a big way. But, if the economy doesn't pick up as the pandemic winds down, or otherwise goes south, or there is some foreign policy crisis that Biden doesn't handle well, or is perceived by more than the right wing kooks as mishandling, things could turn. I think there is a very real risk that, if for whatever reason the current crop of Republicans gain power in 2022 or 2024, they may succeed establishing a permanent right-wing dictatorship. I think we were very fortunate that Trump, in spite of his ability to gain a cult following, was an inept buffoon. If somebody less incompetent succeeds in gaining control of the Trump cult, we could still be in for a rough ride. The pandemic, bad as it has been, may have been a blessing in disguise, as I think Trump would have stood a good chance of reelection without it. If his presidency had had another four years, especially had it been combined with a Republican Congress, I don't think we would have gotten rid of them without a violent revolution.
Nothing makes extreme right wing groups flourish like paralyzed, ineffectual centrists running things.

If the 2022 election doesn't result in breaking the Manchin/Sinema conservative stranglehold on the Senate, the Biden administration is basically just going to be a brief interregnum between proto-fascist right-wing rule.

There are dire, systematic problems that are stressing this country to the breaking point. If there are not progressive/liberal/left solutions, there will be fascist solutions. The current situation cannot stand indefinitely, something is going to give.

Edit: It is kinda funny imagining libs rambling on about the Parliamentarian right before a crazed Q fascist lines them up on a wall to be shot.

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Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate?
They'll kill it anyway the first chance it becomes beneficial to do so, as they did with nominating Supreme Court justices in order to ram through Judge Handmaiden.

"You can't blame us for not knowing they'd do the exact thing they've done before," the moderate Democrats will cry.

[ETA] Actually, they'd work in a slight somewhere as well. "If only those progressives weren't so radical our Republican colleagues would have been more cooperative with us!"

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Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation?
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Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation?
Yes, because facts no longer matter.
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Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation?
Yes. You have to do that before they take control of the courts, government, and everything that gets to declare who or what is criminal.
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Yes, because facts no longer matter.
And that.

What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist?

Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate ****** to the point that doesn't exist anymore.

Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the ******* point in even asking questions (and **** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.)
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Both are Jewish in their bloodlines on both sides .

Before a brain collapse over that assertion about Adolf , read Miles Mathis' reports on the matter .
Turns out Mathis is brimming over with ********. My favorite has to be his hysterical assertion that π = 4.
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Monica, Miles Mathis is also a raging antisemite and he is demonstrably wrong on many, if not all the things he says. Can you explain why you think he's right?
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And that.

What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist?

Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate ****** to the point that doesn't exist anymore.

Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the ******* point in even asking questions (and **** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.)
Wait a minute. Before we even discuss this we have to talk about Hillary's e-mails.
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Wait a minute. Before we even discuss this we have to talk about Hillary's e-mails.
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
And that.

What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist?

Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate ****** to the point that doesn't exist anymore.

Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the ******* point in even asking questions (and **** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.)
Because it is a source of personal entertainment.
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Because it is a source of personal entertainment.
Is that what they are calling it now? In that case I can't wait for the shooting to start. Should be highly 'entertaining'.
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Old 6th June 2021, 11:57 AM   #180
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Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic.
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There is an obvious risk that Biden and the narrow Democratic majorities in Congress will fail, and that Trump or a successor will take over and then cement themselves into power for at least the next generation.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/
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Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic.

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/
The comparison is so clear and yet the Republicans either can't...or won't...see it.
The stupid or ignorant don't see it. Those who are neither stupid nor ignorant of history just won't see it. Or, if they do, just don't care as long as they "get theirs". It's the last group that I put so many of the GOP legislators in...and it makes them the worst.
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Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic.

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/
Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food.
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Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment.
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Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food.
Tease.
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Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment.
Well, they a clearly gunning for Biden and Harris.
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Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment.
Or via impeachment, more likely.
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Or via impeachment, more likely.
The problem with Impeachment is that even if you win the house and have clear evidence with which to pass the Impeachment vote, you still need to get 67 votes in the Senate.
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The problem with Impeachment is that even if you win the house and have clear evidence with which to pass the Impeachment vote, you still need to get 67 votes in the Senate.
Yeah but they can hope, right?
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BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!
I long for the day when the only time I hear the name Benghazi is in books and discussions of World War Two in North Africa.
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Or via impeachment, more likely.
I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War.
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I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War.
dudalb, you think my rabbit sneezing would trigger a second american civil war.
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dudalb, you think my rabbit sneezing would trigger a second american civil war.
I think an out and out coup like that would.
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Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food.
Honestly, I hope his death doesn't spark even more dangerous QAnspiracy theories that may cause millions of people to permanently turn to violent anti-government sentiment.
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I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War.
Do you really think that the GOP can pick up 17 senate seats in 2022? Seriously?
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Do you really think that the GOP can pick up 17 senate seats in 2022? Seriously?
No, I'm the one who brought up impeachment. I don't think it could happen soon... but after three cycles it might be possible within his second term.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
No, I'm the one who brought up impeachment. I don't think it could happen soon... but after three cycles it might be possible within his second term.
Do you really think that they could pick up 17 seats by 2026?

No one has had that sort of majority in the Senate since the Democrats in the 1960s, and the Republicans haven't even managed to break 60% since 1921, so where is this turnaround going to happen for them to have the number to do something that in four attempts has never succeeded?
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Old 8th June 2021, 07:40 AM   #197
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Do you really think that they could pick up 17 seats by 2026?

No one has had that sort of majority in the Senate since the Democrats in the 1960s, and the Republicans haven't even managed to break 60% since 1921, so where is this turnaround going to happen for them to have the number to do something that in four attempts has never succeeded?
OMG, please shoot me now for saying this: the Repubs could steal Senate elections like they're setting up to ensure the 2024 presidential election by having the legislatures or friendly AGs or Sec of States declare the election of any Dem rigged.

Fortunately, I suspect (but haven't counted) that there aren't enough Repub state legislatures to get a supermajority in the Senate.
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Old 8th June 2021, 08:11 AM   #198
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Do you really think that they could pick up 17 seats by 2026?
Literally nothing could surprise me about American politics at this point, especially with the GOP cheating. I hope not, though.
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Old 8th June 2021, 08:34 AM   #199
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OMG, please shoot me now for saying this: the Repubs could steal Senate elections like they're setting up to ensure the 2024 presidential election by having the legislatures or friendly AGs or Sec of States declare the election of any Dem rigged.

Fortunately, I suspect (but haven't counted) that there aren't enough Repub state legislatures to get a supermajority in the Senate.
In 2018, the GOP held 32 state Senates and 29 Houses.
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In 2018, the GOP held 32 state Senates and 29 Houses.
It depends on how many state legislatures they hold in states that a Dem might win a Senate seat.

I'm going to see how close I can get to actually counting without actually counting.
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