The Rise of Hitler and The Age of Trump: A Comparison - Page 5

Belz... · 30th May 2021, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

Belz... I only bring him up to illustrate the toxicity of some on the American left when someone otherwise thought of as on their side on most issues tried to offer some perspective on Biden v Trump. And he was right!

I was just doing my PSA for the day.

Paul2 · 31st May 2021, 09:15 AM

The danger in the many anti-democratic moves by the GOP make the concern over killing - no, even just modifying - the filibuster seem quaint.

Can someone tell Manchin and Sinema?

PhantomWolf · 31st May 2021, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Paul2

The danger in the many anti-democratic moves by the GOP make the concern over killing - no, even just modifying - the filibuster seem quaint.

Can someone tell Manchin and Sinema?

I kind of agree with Manchin that instead of killing the filibuster they need to return it to being hard to use. When a bill can be killed on the threat of the filibuster then it's too easy. If someone wants to use it, they should have to work hard for it. Force them to stand there and talk for 24 hours on the topic of the bill, or even better, make it 48 and allow them to switch out once, but they have to remain on topic without repeating themselves or it's over. Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate?

Lurch · 31st May 2021, 09:49 PM

Maybe it's my tendency to logic, or propensity for fair play.

it seems wrong to require 60 votes to get a bill to go to the floor for discussion when the vote to pass it is 50 plus 1.

And it's all the more egregious when the filibuster succeeds if the votes are 53 to 35. Probably something as unbalanced as, say, 59 to 30 would still have the minority win. Just doesn't seem right...

The Don · 1st June 2021, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

I kind of agree with Manchin that instead of killing the filibuster they need to return it to being hard to use. When a bill can be killed on the threat of the filibuster then it's too easy. If someone wants to use it, they should have to work hard for it. Force them to stand there and talk for 24 hours on the topic of the bill, or even better, make it 48 and allow them to switch out once, but they have to remain on topic without repeating themselves or it's over. Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate?

Follow the rules of "just a minute" where the contestants have to speak on a subject for one minute without hesitation, repetition (of any word apart from a handful of very common words such as 'a', 'the', 'and', 'or' and so on) or deviation from the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_a_Minute

Belz... · 1st June 2021, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Lurch

Maybe it's my tendency to logic, or propensity for fair play.

it seems wrong to require 60 votes to get a bill to go to the floor for discussion when the vote to pass it is 50 plus 1.

And it's all the more egregious when the filibuster succeeds if the votes are 53 to 35. Probably something as unbalanced as, say, 59 to 30 would still have the minority win. Just doesn't seem right...

That's because we live in Canada and we have a sensible democratic system. Imagine being in federal election for two years rather than, what, 5 weeks? Imagine waiting 4 hours in line to vote rather than 4 minutes. Imagine voting for public jobs that we have no business deciding. Imagine a Canadian politician spending half their time trying to get money for their next election. Etc.

The other day I compared the Canadian and US systems to Intelligent Design and Evolution, respectively. The former is efficient and lean, and makes sense to an observer. The latter is a messy, inefficient bureaucratic nightmare that all sorts of garbage DNA, but it kinda works anyway, and you don't dare try to alter it lest you just screw up the whole thing.

CORed · 2nd June 2021, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

The result or not, without another cult leader the movement of rightwing radicals can follow, they will remain disorganized malcontents.

At this point in time, no way are those legislators capable of attracting and commanding a following.

The 2022 midterms are going to be critical. I hope that the polls are right (and that the numbers stay that way) and Republicans are voted out of Congress and state government in a big way. But, if the economy doesn't pick up as the pandemic winds down, or otherwise goes south, or there is some foreign policy crisis that Biden doesn't handle well, or is perceived by more than the right wing kooks as mishandling, things could turn. I think there is a very real risk that, if for whatever reason the current crop of Republicans gain power in 2022 or 2024, they may succeed establishing a permanent right-wing dictatorship. I think we were very fortunate that Trump, in spite of his ability to gain a cult following, was an inept buffoon. If somebody less incompetent succeeds in gaining control of the Trump cult, we could still be in for a rough ride. The pandemic, bad as it has been, may have been a blessing in disguise, as I think Trump would have stood a good chance of reelection without it. If his presidency had had another four years, especially had it been combined with a Republican Congress, I don't think we would have gotten rid of them without a violent revolution.

SuburbanTurkey · 3rd June 2021, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by CORed

The 2022 midterms are going to be critical. I hope that the polls are right (and that the numbers stay that way) and Republicans are voted out of Congress and state government in a big way. But, if the economy doesn't pick up as the pandemic winds down, or otherwise goes south, or there is some foreign policy crisis that Biden doesn't handle well, or is perceived by more than the right wing kooks as mishandling, things could turn. I think there is a very real risk that, if for whatever reason the current crop of Republicans gain power in 2022 or 2024, they may succeed establishing a permanent right-wing dictatorship. I think we were very fortunate that Trump, in spite of his ability to gain a cult following, was an inept buffoon. If somebody less incompetent succeeds in gaining control of the Trump cult, we could still be in for a rough ride. The pandemic, bad as it has been, may have been a blessing in disguise, as I think Trump would have stood a good chance of reelection without it. If his presidency had had another four years, especially had it been combined with a Republican Congress, I don't think we would have gotten rid of them without a violent revolution.

Nothing makes extreme right wing groups flourish like paralyzed, ineffectual centrists running things.

If the 2022 election doesn't result in breaking the Manchin/Sinema conservative stranglehold on the Senate, the Biden administration is basically just going to be a brief interregnum between proto-fascist right-wing rule.

There are dire, systematic problems that are stressing this country to the breaking point. If there are not progressive/liberal/left solutions, there will be fascist solutions. The current situation cannot stand indefinitely, something is going to give.

Edit: It is kinda funny imagining libs rambling on about the Parliamentarian right before a crazed Q fascist lines them up on a wall to be shot.

Beelzebuddy · 4th June 2021, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate?

They'll kill it anyway the first chance it becomes beneficial to do so, as they did with nominating Supreme Court justices in order to ram through Judge Handmaiden.

"You can't blame us for not knowing they'd do the exact thing they've done before," the moderate Democrats will cry.

[ETA] Actually, they'd work in a slight somewhere as well. "If only those progressives weren't so radical our Republican colleagues would have been more cooperative with us!"

Belz... · 4th June 2021, 06:56 AM

Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation?

The Great Zaganza · 4th June 2021, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation?

Yes, because facts no longer matter.

JoeMorgue · 4th June 2021, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation?

Yes. You have to do that before they take control of the courts, government, and everything that gets to declare who or what is criminal.

JoeMorgue · 4th June 2021, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Yes, because facts no longer matter.

And that.

What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist?

Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate ****** to the point that doesn't exist anymore.

Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the ******* point in even asking questions (and **** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.)

Foster Zygote · 4th June 2021, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Monica 56

Both are Jewish in their bloodlines on both sides .

Before a brain collapse over that assertion about Adolf , read Miles Mathis' reports on the matter .

Turns out Mathis is brimming over with ********. My favorite has to be his hysterical assertion that π = 4.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Miles_Mathis

TheSupermeerkat · 5th June 2021, 02:33 AM

Monica, Miles Mathis is also a raging antisemite and he is demonstrably wrong on many, if not all the things he says. Can you explain why you think he's right?

Belz... · 5th June 2021, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

And that.

What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist?

Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate ****** to the point that doesn't exist anymore.

Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the ******* point in even asking questions (and **** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.)

Wait a minute. Before we even discuss this we have to talk about Hillary's e-mails.

Stacyhs · 5th June 2021, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Wait a minute. Before we even discuss this we have to talk about Hillary's e-mails.

BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!

BobTheCoward · 5th June 2021, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

And that.

What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist?

Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate ****** to the point that doesn't exist anymore.

Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the ******* point in even asking questions (and **** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.)

Because it is a source of personal entertainment.

Roger Ramjets · 6th June 2021, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Because it is a source of personal entertainment.

Is that what they are calling it now? In that case I can't wait for the shooting to start. Should be highly 'entertaining'.

Bob001 · 6th June 2021, 11:57 AM

Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic.

Quote:

There is an obvious risk that Biden and the narrow Democratic majorities in Congress will fail, and that Trump or a successor will take over and then cement themselves into power for at least the next generation.

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/

Stacyhs · 6th June 2021, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic.

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/

The comparison is so clear and yet the Republicans either can't...or won't...see it.
The stupid or ignorant don't see it. Those who are neither stupid nor ignorant of history just won't see it. Or, if they do, just don't care as long as they "get theirs". It's the last group that I put so many of the GOP legislators in...and it makes them the worst.

Cain · 6th June 2021, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic.

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/

Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food.

Cain · 6th June 2021, 01:26 PM

Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment.

Stacyhs · 6th June 2021, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food.

Tease.

Stacyhs · 6th June 2021, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment.

Well, they a clearly gunning for Biden and Harris.

Belz... · 6th June 2021, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment.

Or via impeachment, more likely.

PhantomWolf · 6th June 2021, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Or via impeachment, more likely.

The problem with Impeachment is that even if you win the house and have clear evidence with which to pass the Impeachment vote, you still need to get 67 votes in the Senate.

Belz... · 7th June 2021, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

The problem with Impeachment is that even if you win the house and have clear evidence with which to pass the Impeachment vote, you still need to get 67 votes in the Senate.

Yeah but they can hope, right?

dudalb · 7th June 2021, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!

I long for the day when the only time I hear the name Benghazi is in books and discussions of World War Two in North Africa.

dudalb · 7th June 2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Or via impeachment, more likely.

I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War.

Belz... · 7th June 2021, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War.

dudalb, you think my rabbit sneezing would trigger a second american civil war.

dudalb · 7th June 2021, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

dudalb, you think my rabbit sneezing would trigger a second american civil war.

I think an out and out coup like that would.

Venom · 7th June 2021, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food.

Honestly, I hope his death doesn't spark even more dangerous QAnspiracy theories that may cause millions of people to permanently turn to violent anti-government sentiment.

PhantomWolf · 7th June 2021, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War.

Do you really think that the GOP can pick up 17 senate seats in 2022? Seriously?

Belz... · 7th June 2021, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Do you really think that the GOP can pick up 17 senate seats in 2022? Seriously?

No, I'm the one who brought up impeachment. I don't think it could happen soon... but after three cycles it might be possible within his second term.

PhantomWolf · 7th June 2021, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

No, I'm the one who brought up impeachment. I don't think it could happen soon... but after three cycles it might be possible within his second term.

Do you really think that they could pick up 17 seats by 2026?

No one has had that sort of majority in the Senate since the Democrats in the 1960s, and the Republicans haven't even managed to break 60% since 1921, so where is this turnaround going to happen for them to have the number to do something that in four attempts has never succeeded?

Paul2 · 8th June 2021, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Do you really think that they could pick up 17 seats by 2026?

No one has had that sort of majority in the Senate since the Democrats in the 1960s, and the Republicans haven't even managed to break 60% since 1921, so where is this turnaround going to happen for them to have the number to do something that in four attempts has never succeeded?

OMG, please shoot me now for saying this: the Repubs could steal Senate elections like they're setting up to ensure the 2024 presidential election by having the legislatures or friendly AGs or Sec of States declare the election of any Dem rigged.

Fortunately, I suspect (but haven't counted) that there aren't enough Repub state legislatures to get a supermajority in the Senate.

Belz... · 8th June 2021, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Do you really think that they could pick up 17 seats by 2026?

Literally nothing could surprise me about American politics at this point, especially with the GOP cheating. I hope not, though.

The Don · 8th June 2021, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Paul2

OMG, please shoot me now for saying this: the Repubs could steal Senate elections like they're setting up to ensure the 2024 presidential election by having the legislatures or friendly AGs or Sec of States declare the election of any Dem rigged.

Fortunately, I suspect (but haven't counted) that there aren't enough Repub state legislatures to get a supermajority in the Senate.

In 2018, the GOP held 32 state Senates and 29 Houses.

Paul2 · 8th June 2021, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

In 2018, the GOP held 32 state Senates and 29 Houses.

It depends on how many state legislatures they hold in states that a Dem might win a Senate seat.

I'm going to see how close I can get to actually counting without actually counting.

30th May 2021, 05:30 PM	#161
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Venom Belz... I only bring him up to illustrate the toxicity of some on the American left when someone otherwise thought of as on their side on most issues tried to offer some perspective on Biden v Trump. And he was right! I was just doing my PSA for the day.
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31st May 2021, 09:15 AM	#162
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,527	The danger in the many anti-democratic moves by the GOP make the concern over killing - no, even just modifying - the filibuster seem quaint. Can someone tell Manchin and Sinema?
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31st May 2021, 03:05 PM	#163
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 21,203	Originally Posted by Paul2 The danger in the many anti-democratic moves by the GOP make the concern over killing - no, even just modifying - the filibuster seem quaint. Can someone tell Manchin and Sinema? I kind of agree with Manchin that instead of killing the filibuster they need to return it to being hard to use. When a bill can be killed on the threat of the filibuster then it's too easy. If someone wants to use it, they should have to work hard for it. Force them to stand there and talk for 24 hours on the topic of the bill, or even better, make it 48 and allow them to switch out once, but they have to remain on topic without repeating themselves or it's over. Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate?
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1st June 2021, 03:05 AM	#166
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Lurch Maybe it's my tendency to logic, or propensity for fair play. it seems wrong to require 60 votes to get a bill to go to the floor for discussion when the vote to pass it is 50 plus 1. And it's all the more egregious when the filibuster succeeds if the votes are 53 to 35. Probably something as unbalanced as, say, 59 to 30 would still have the minority win. Just doesn't seem right... That's because we live in Canada and we have a sensible democratic system. Imagine being in federal election for two years rather than, what, 5 weeks? Imagine waiting 4 hours in line to vote rather than 4 minutes. Imagine voting for public jobs that we have no business deciding. Imagine a Canadian politician spending half their time trying to get money for their next election. Etc. The other day I compared the Canadian and US systems to Intelligent Design and Evolution, respectively. The former is efficient and lean, and makes sense to an observer. The latter is a messy, inefficient bureaucratic nightmare that all sorts of garbage DNA, but it kinda works anyway, and you don't dare try to alter it lest you just screw up the whole thing.
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3rd June 2021, 04:37 AM	#168
SuburbanTurkey Guest Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Null Posts: 15,479	Originally Posted by CORed The 2022 midterms are going to be critical. I hope that the polls are right (and that the numbers stay that way) and Republicans are voted out of Congress and state government in a big way. But, if the economy doesn't pick up as the pandemic winds down, or otherwise goes south, or there is some foreign policy crisis that Biden doesn't handle well, or is perceived by more than the right wing kooks as mishandling, things could turn. I think there is a very real risk that, if for whatever reason the current crop of Republicans gain power in 2022 or 2024, they may succeed establishing a permanent right-wing dictatorship. I think we were very fortunate that Trump, in spite of his ability to gain a cult following, was an inept buffoon. If somebody less incompetent succeeds in gaining control of the Trump cult, we could still be in for a rough ride. The pandemic, bad as it has been, may have been a blessing in disguise, as I think Trump would have stood a good chance of reelection without it. If his presidency had had another four years, especially had it been combined with a Republican Congress, I don't think we would have gotten rid of them without a violent revolution. Nothing makes extreme right wing groups flourish like paralyzed, ineffectual centrists running things. If the 2022 election doesn't result in breaking the Manchin/Sinema conservative stranglehold on the Senate, the Biden administration is basically just going to be a brief interregnum between proto-fascist right-wing rule. There are dire, systematic problems that are stressing this country to the breaking point. If there are not progressive/liberal/left solutions, there will be fascist solutions. The current situation cannot stand indefinitely, something is going to give. Edit: It is kinda funny imagining libs rambling on about the Parliamentarian right before a crazed Q fascist lines them up on a wall to be shot.
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31st May 2021, 09:49 PM	#164
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,172	Maybe it's my tendency to logic, or propensity for fair play. it seems wrong to require 60 votes to get a bill to go to the floor for discussion when the vote to pass it is 50 plus 1. And it's all the more egregious when the filibuster succeeds if the votes are 53 to 35. Probably something as unbalanced as, say, 59 to 30 would still have the minority win. Just doesn't seem right...

1st June 2021, 02:54 AM	#165
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,452	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf I kind of agree with Manchin that instead of killing the filibuster they need to return it to being hard to use. When a bill can be killed on the threat of the filibuster then it's too easy. If someone wants to use it, they should have to work hard for it. Force them to stand there and talk for 24 hours on the topic of the bill, or even better, make it 48 and allow them to switch out once, but they have to remain on topic without repeating themselves or it's over. Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate? Follow the rules of "just a minute" where the contestants have to speak on a subject for one minute without hesitation, repetition (of any word apart from a handful of very common words such as 'a', 'the', 'and', 'or' and so on) or deviation from the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_a_Minute

2nd June 2021, 08:23 PM	#167
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,479	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger The result or not, without another cult leader the movement of rightwing radicals can follow, they will remain disorganized malcontents. At this point in time, no way are those legislators capable of attracting and commanding a following. The 2022 midterms are going to be critical. I hope that the polls are right (and that the numbers stay that way) and Republicans are voted out of Congress and state government in a big way. But, if the economy doesn't pick up as the pandemic winds down, or otherwise goes south, or there is some foreign policy crisis that Biden doesn't handle well, or is perceived by more than the right wing kooks as mishandling, things could turn. I think there is a very real risk that, if for whatever reason the current crop of Republicans gain power in 2022 or 2024, they may succeed establishing a permanent right-wing dictatorship. I think we were very fortunate that Trump, in spite of his ability to gain a cult following, was an inept buffoon. If somebody less incompetent succeeds in gaining control of the Trump cult, we could still be in for a rough ride. The pandemic, bad as it has been, may have been a blessing in disguise, as I think Trump would have stood a good chance of reelection without it. If his presidency had had another four years, especially had it been combined with a Republican Congress, I don't think we would have gotten rid of them without a violent revolution.

4th June 2021, 06:53 AM	#169
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8,988	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf Keep it but make it hard to use because otherwise what happens when the Reps eventually take back the Senate? They'll kill it anyway the first chance it becomes beneficial to do so, as they did with nominating Supreme Court justices in order to ram through Judge Handmaiden. "You can't blame us for not knowing they'd do the exact thing they've done before," the moderate Democrats will cry. [ETA] Actually, they'd work in a slight somewhere as well. "If only those progressives weren't so radical our Republican colleagues would have been more cooperative with us!"
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4th June 2021, 06:56 AM	#170
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation?
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4th June 2021, 07:01 AM	#171
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,094	Originally Posted by Belz... Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation? Yes, because facts no longer matter.
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4th June 2021, 07:01 AM	#172
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 40,000	Originally Posted by Belz... Is it too late to declare the Republican party to be a criminal organisation? Yes. You have to do that before they take control of the courts, government, and everything that gets to declare who or what is criminal.
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4th June 2021, 07:06 AM	#173
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 40,000	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Yes, because facts no longer matter. And that. What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist? Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate **** to the point that doesn't exist anymore. Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the *** point in even asking questions (and ** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.)
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4th June 2021, 08:20 PM	#174
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,792	Originally Posted by Monica 56 Both are Jewish in their bloodlines on both sides . Before a brain collapse over that assertion about Adolf , read Miles Mathis' reports on the matter . Turns out Mathis is brimming over with ********. My favorite has to be his hysterical assertion that π = 4. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Miles_Mathis
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5th June 2021, 02:33 AM	#175
TheSupermeerkat Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 1,776	Monica, Miles Mathis is also a raging antisemite and he is demonstrably wrong on many, if not all the things he says. Can you explain why you think he's right?

5th June 2021, 03:54 AM	#176
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue And that. What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist? Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate **** to the point that doesn't exist anymore. Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the *** point in even asking questions (and ** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.) Wait a minute. Before we even discuss this we have to talk about Hillary's e-mails.
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5th June 2021, 11:37 AM	#177
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,282	Originally Posted by Belz... Wait a minute. Before we even discuss this we have to talk about Hillary's e-mails. BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!

5th June 2021, 10:33 PM	#178
BobTheCoward Suspended Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,266	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue And that. What do questions even mean in a world where facts no longer exist? Are Republicans criminals? I don't know, do hats exist? It's all the same in a world with no agreed upon facts AND in which all means of effective discourse which could maybe get us to facts have been hate **** to the point that doesn't exist anymore. Facts don't exist and even if they did what does it matter its not like we can effectively talk about them anymore. What's the *** point in even asking questions (and ** the first person who thinks the irony in the statement is the point.) Because it is a source of personal entertainment.
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6th June 2021, 12:42 AM	#179
Roger Ramjets Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,845	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Because it is a source of personal entertainment. Is that what they are calling it now? In that case I can't wait for the shooting to start. Should be highly 'entertaining'.
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6th June 2021, 11:57 AM	#180
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,500	Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic. Quote: There is an obvious risk that Biden and the narrow Democratic majorities in Congress will fail, and that Trump or a successor will take over and then cement themselves into power for at least the next generation. https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/

6th June 2021, 01:13 PM	#181
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,282	Originally Posted by Bob001 Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic. https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/ The comparison is so clear and yet the Republicans either can't...or won't...see it. The stupid or ignorant don't see it. Those who are neither stupid nor ignorant of history just won't see it. Or, if they do, just don't care as long as they "get theirs". It's the last group that I put so many of the GOP legislators in...and it makes them the worst.

6th June 2021, 01:23 PM	#182
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15,048	Originally Posted by Bob001 Writer compares Biden administration to Weimar republic. https://www.salon.com/2021/06/06/joe...-dark-lessons/ Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food.
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6th June 2021, 01:26 PM	#183
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15,048	Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment.
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6th June 2021, 01:28 PM	#184
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,282	Originally Posted by Cain Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food. Tease.

6th June 2021, 01:29 PM	#185
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,282	Originally Posted by Cain Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment. Well, they a clearly gunning for Biden and Harris.

6th June 2021, 01:32 PM	#186
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Cain Also, there's a clear path to the presidency for Donald Trump, and it respects Constitutional mechanisms. The GOP wins the House in 2022, and installs Trump as Speaker (technically, you do not have to be elected to serve as Speaker). That clears the path to remove the President and Vice President via the Second Amendment. Or via impeachment, more likely.
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6th June 2021, 10:00 PM	#187
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 21,203	Originally Posted by Belz... Or via impeachment, more likely. The problem with Impeachment is that even if you win the house and have clear evidence with which to pass the Impeachment vote, you still need to get 67 votes in the Senate.
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7th June 2021, 03:53 AM	#188
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf The problem with Impeachment is that even if you win the house and have clear evidence with which to pass the Impeachment vote, you still need to get 67 votes in the Senate. Yeah but they can hope, right?
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7th June 2021, 01:10 PM	#189
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 55,563	Originally Posted by Stacyhs BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!! I long for the day when the only time I hear the name Benghazi is in books and discussions of World War Two in North Africa.
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7th June 2021, 01:11 PM	#190
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 55,563	Originally Posted by Belz... Or via impeachment, more likely. I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War.
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7th June 2021, 01:17 PM	#191
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by dudalb I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War. dudalb, you think my rabbit sneezing would trigger a second american civil war.
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7th June 2021, 01:19 PM	#192
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 55,563	Originally Posted by Belz... dudalb, you think my rabbit sneezing would trigger a second american civil war. I think an out and out coup like that would.
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7th June 2021, 01:33 PM	#193
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 5,847	Originally Posted by Cain Trump might not live to 2024. Everyone knows he eats a ton of McDonalds and KFC, so ANTIFA working for those establishments might poison his food. Honestly, I hope his death doesn't spark even more dangerous QAnspiracy theories that may cause millions of people to permanently turn to violent anti-government sentiment.

7th June 2021, 05:43 PM	#194
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 21,203	Originally Posted by dudalb I think a GOP removal of Biden and Harris would trigger the Second American Revolution/Civil War. Do you really think that the GOP can pick up 17 senate seats in 2022? Seriously?
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7th June 2021, 06:28 PM	#195
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf Do you really think that the GOP can pick up 17 senate seats in 2022? Seriously? No, I'm the one who brought up impeachment. I don't think it could happen soon... but after three cycles it might be possible within his second term.
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