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Old 8th June 2021, 09:47 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I long for the day when the only time I hear the name Benghazi is in books and discussions of World War Two in North Africa.
Casablanca is enjoying a laugh at your expense.
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Old 8th June 2021, 10:22 AM   #202
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In his interview yesterday with Anderson Cooper, former Pres. Obama said:
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"We have to worry when one of our major political parties is willing to embrace a way of thinking about our democracy that would be unrecognizable and unacceptable even five years ago or a decade ago."
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"My hope is that the tides will turn," Obama said of our current political moment. "But that does require each of us to understand that this experiment in democracy is not self-executing. It doesn't happen just automatically."
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All of us as citizens have to recognize that the path towards an undemocratic America is not gonna happen in just one bang," Barack Obama said in an arresting interview with Anderson Cooper on Monday night. It happens "in a series of steps," Obama said, citing the devolution of places like Hungary and Poland.

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The degradation of US democratic standards and the corruption of the political system looks familiar to one of Obama's closest White House aides.

Ben Rhodes, a former deputy national security adviser, just published a new book "After the Fall" that examines the slide into autocracy in nations like Russia and Hungary. He noted that the latter's leader, Viktor Orban, had orchestrated a right-wing populist backlash to the financial crisis, packed the courts with conservative justices and redrawn legislative districts and laws to benefit his voters. Orban also enriched cronies and weaponized a propagandistic media machine while wrapping the entire push in a nationalist bow.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/07/media...ces/index.html

"I'm thinking this sounds like a familiar playbook, it's what I've lived at home," Rhodes told CNN's Bianna Golodryga on CNN International on Monday, referring to Trump's 2016 campaign and presidency.

"On January 6, we learned it can happen here too."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/polit...acy/index.html

Anyone who doesn't think our democracy here is in danger by the current GOP is being willfully blind. They have already bent the knee to and kissed the ring of a wannabe authoritarian. They are truly deplorable.
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Old 8th June 2021, 11:55 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Casablanca is enjoying a laugh at your expense.
Benghazi was the sight of Much more fighting then Casablanca, it changed hands so often that the Brits made jokes about 'the Benghazi Stakes" since both sides often raced for Benghazi.
It was also the site of one of the LRDG/SAS most famous raids;a raid on the Benghazi airbase a major Luftwaffe base and did major damage.
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Old 8th June 2021, 11:57 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
In his interview yesterday with Anderson Cooper, former Pres. Obama said:








https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/polit...acy/index.html

Anyone who doesn't think our democracy here is in danger by the current GOP is being willfully blind. They have already bent the knee to and kissed the ring of a wannabe authoritarian. They are truly deplorable.
What concerns me more ia that many who realise this seem unwilling to take the steps necessary to stop it. you won't stop them by joining hands and singing 'Kumbaya". You need to get tough and kick them in the balls, frankly. sorry, but that is the reality.
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Old 8th June 2021, 12:00 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
What concerns me more ia that many who realise this seem unwilling to take the steps necessary to stop it. you won't stop them by joining hands and singing 'Kumbaya". You need to get tough and kick them in the balls, frankly. sorry, but that is the reality.
What do you suggest?
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Old 8th June 2021, 01:10 PM   #206
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What do you suggest?
Kick them in the balls. Literally.
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Old 8th June 2021, 01:19 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
What do you suggest?
Play just a hardball as they are. Give up on the bipartisan idea, isnce that is dead for the time being.
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Old 8th June 2021, 01:21 PM   #208
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Speaking of the return of Nazis, a photo and trailer makes it clear that the Nazis are the villians again in Indiana Jones 5....
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Old 8th June 2021, 01:36 PM   #209
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Speaking of the return of Nazis, a photo and trailer makes it clear that the Nazis are the villians again in Indiana Jones 5....
I hate these guys...
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Old 8th June 2021, 01:37 PM   #210
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Well because Nazis are the only bad guys we're allowed anymore. Any other group, even groups that did stuff just as bad, will have someone get butt hurt if you use them the same way.
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Old 8th June 2021, 03:59 PM   #211
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Play just a hardball as they are. Give up on the bipartisan idea, isnce that is dead for the time being.
I agree somewhat. There are things that simply are not going to get done due to obstruction by the GOP. Executive actions will have to be used where they can. But since the Senate is 50-50 and it's difficult to get all 50 Dems to agree on anything, just what hardball tactics do you think are going to work on the 25 GOP senators?
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Old 8th June 2021, 04:01 PM   #212
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Well because Nazis are the only bad guys we're allowed anymore. Any other group, even groups that did stuff just as bad, will have someone get butt hurt if you use them the same way.
There's always the commiesocialist libr'als. That would play great in the South and Midwest.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I hate these guys...
BTW, Indy's use of that pharase in "Last Crusade" is a direct tip of the hat to "The Blues Brothers". Sort of a return for Spielberg's cameo in Brothers. (He is the clerk at the Cook Counry Assesors Office".
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Well because Nazis are the only bad guys we're allowed anymore. Any other group, even groups that did stuff just as bad, will have someone get butt hurt if you use them the same way.
And let's face it, Indy fighting Commies and Aliens in Indy 4 just was not as much fun
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There's always the commiesocialist libr'als. That would play great in the South and Midwest.
Given the record of Communism, I have no problem making Commies the villians.............

Frankly, the knee jerk reaction of some progressive to defend and/or excuse Communisms horrid record is a major problem for them.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And let's face it, Indy fighting Commies and Aliens in Indy 4 just was not as much fun
And the Russians' uniforms are not nearly as snazzy.
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Given the record of Communism, I have no problem making Commies the villians.............

Frankly, the knee jerk reaction of some progressive to defend and/or excuse Communisms horrid record is a major problem for them.
There's enough of that mindless new Red Scare in 2021 between Fox News, Breitbart, and all the little independent "conservative" media outlets that we can recognize that Marxism isn't a legitimate threat today. It may have been in my grandpa and fathers' days. Young edgy conservative voices like Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson are trying hard to revive it as if it's relevant.
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There's enough of that mindless new Red Scare in 2021 between Fox News, Breitbart, and all the little independent "conservative" media outlets that we can recognize that Marxism isn't a legitimate threat today. It may have been in my grandpa and fathers' days. Young edgy conservative voices like Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson are trying hard to revive it as if it's relevant.
I agree, but ,still, it is not a good look for some progressive to basically defend and excuse Communism. Just admit it was a horrid system, prove that more moderate forms of socialism are totally different, and move on.
And there are a few hard line Marxist out there, and they are getting pretty loud on some mainstream forums.
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There's enough of that mindless new Red Scare in 2021 between Fox News, Breitbart, and all the little independent "conservative" media outlets that we can recognize that Marxism isn't a legitimate threat today. It may have been in my grandpa and fathers' days. Young edgy conservative voices like Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson are trying hard to revive it as if it's relevant.
That's because most Trumpers don't know the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism.
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I agree, but ,still, it is not a good look for some progressive to basically defend and excuse Communism. Just admit it was a horrid system, prove that more moderate forms of socialism are totally different, and move on.
And there are a few hard line Marxist out there, and they are getting pretty loud on some mainstream forums.
Sure I agree with this. But I think the main point of contention on this topic is the popular attitude that Marxism is as bad as Nazism. The latter is explicitly authoritarian, genocidal, imperialistic, and espouses eugenics, inequality, and ethno-nationalism.

At least communist thought, though naive and disastrous in practice, was born out of an interest in constructing a more just society for the poor and working class. That's a "defense of communism" to the extent that we can point out important differences in the ultimate goals of the two ideologies.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
BTW, Indy's use of that pharase in "Last Crusade" is a direct tip of the hat to "The Blues Brothers". Sort of a return for Spielberg's cameo in Brothers. (He is the clerk at the Cook Counry Assesors Office".
I did not know that.

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And let's face it, Indy fighting Commies and Aliens in Indy 4 just was not as much fun
I don't think the lack of fun had anything to do with commies and aliens. It was just a mediocre script.
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That's because most Trumpers don't know the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism.
Trumpers don't know the difference between Communism and mild social democracy.
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Trumpers don't know the difference between Communism and mild social democracy.
Trumpsters don't know the difference between communism and a cup of coffee.
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I agree, but ,still, it is not a good look for some progressive to basically defend and excuse Communism. Just admit it was a horrid system, prove that more moderate forms of socialism are totally different, and move on.
And there are a few hard line Marxist out there, and they are getting pretty loud on some mainstream forums.
Yea now capitalism we have to thank for the Belgian Congo but fortunately no one holds a few million dead blacks against.
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Trumpsters don't know the difference between communism and a cup of coffee.
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The difference between Communism and Nazism is you can mentioned Nazism on the internet without a liberal screeching that "Real Nazism hasn't been tried yet!"

Enough of my liberal friends are at least cozy to the idea of communism that I'm comfortable saying there's some bedfellows there.
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Enough of my liberal friends are at least cozy to the idea of communism that I'm comfortable saying there's some bedfellows there.
Well, yeah, just like the right-wing and fascism venn diagram has an area in common. Communism is a left-wing ideology, so it's no surprise.
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Enough of my liberal friends are at least cozy to the idea of communism that I'm comfortable saying there's some bedfellows there.
What's your idea of "communism?" The right-wing contends that Social Security and Medicare, let alone universal health care and affordable college, smack of "communism," but that doesn't make it so.
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What's your idea of "communism?" The right-wing contends that Social Security and Medicare, let alone universal health care and affordable college, smack of "communism," but that doesn't make it so.
Let me put it this way.

No less then a dozen of my liberal friends; good smart people, shared a meme within the last week that read "We were told Communism is bad by the same people who told us segregation was good."

I know every discussion is going to get drawn back to the "Socialism/Communism" thing because there is no argument that you can make that will drag the internet away from splitting a pedantic hair.

Communism is still bad. The fact that we had a Red Scare doesn't make Communism good. The fact that the right can't tell the difference between Communism and a hole in the ground does not make Communism good.

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Let me put it this way.

No less then a dozen of my liberal friends; good smart people, shared a meme within the last week that read "We were told Communism is bad by the same people who told us segregation was good."

I know every discussion is going to get drawn back to the "Socialism/Communism" thing because there is no argument that you can make that will drag the internet away from splitting a pedantic hair.

Communism is still bad. The fact that we had a Red Scare doesn't make Communism good. The fact that the right can't tell the difference between Communism and a hole in the ground does not make Communism good.

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less.
That doesn't answer the question. Communism is the word for brutal totalitarian regimes like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China or today's North Korea. It just has nothing to do with socialist democracies like Sweden or Denmark that share resources across the society. You can't claim that they have anything in common.
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Trump was nothing like Hitler. During his lifetime he won awards for hiring the most black workers. None of his rhetoric is racist. He was interested in keeping jobs in American and bringing jobs back that had gone to foreign countries.

Nobodies perfect but overall he was a good President.
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That doesn't answer the question. Communism is the word for brutal totalitarian regimes like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China or today's North Korea. It just has nothing to do with socialist democracies like Sweden or Denmark that share resources across the society. You can't claim that they have anything in common.
Are you talking to me or a generic advisory that exists in your head?

I made no comparison to socialism. I didn't even bring it up.

"LOL people don't know the difference between communism and socalism" isn't a valid response to anyone not liking communism.
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The difference between Communism and Nazism is you can mentioned Nazism on the internet without a liberal screeching that "Real Nazism hasn't been tried yet!"

Enough of my liberal friends are at least cozy to the idea of communism that I'm comfortable saying there's some bedfellows there.
Well for one thing communism is an economic system while fascism is a political system. So it would be more sensible to compare it to capitalism, and people are fine with the 18 million dead Africans from just King Leopold's actions so that can't really be counted against capitalism. They were worthless blacks after all.
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Let me put it this way.

No less then a dozen of my liberal friends; good smart people, shared a meme within the last week that read "We were told Communism is bad by the same people who told us segregation was good."

I know every discussion is going to get drawn back to the "Socialism/Communism" thing because there is no argument that you can make that will drag the internet away from splitting a pedantic hair.

Communism is still bad. The fact that we had a Red Scare doesn't make Communism good. The fact that the right can't tell the difference between Communism and a hole in the ground does not make Communism good.

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less.
And of course capitalism can never be held accountable for its deaths, because that would be wrong. That is why we have to ignore all those and pretend they were naturally associated with progress.

Now bring back hand chopping off to motivate your workers, it worked for Leopold and Columbus and no one seriously thinks they were monsters of some sort.
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Old 9th June 2021, 08:38 AM   #235
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Are you talking to me or a generic advisory that exists in your head?

I made no comparison to socialism. I didn't even bring it up.
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I know every discussion is going to get drawn back to the "Socialism/Communism" thing because there is no argument that you can make that will drag the internet away from splitting a pedantic hair.
Sounds to me like you don't appreciate the difference.
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Sounds to me like you don't appreciate the difference.
Okay this is like the cliff of a Bob-hole here so I'm going to be very, very clear.

Look me in the eyes. Do you understand that someone can "appreciate the difference" between something and still dislike both of them?

Do you understand that someone can dislike both communism and socialism, and not just think they are the same thing?

Don't say anything but yes or no.
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Old 9th June 2021, 09:26 AM   #237
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Trump was nothing like Hitler. During his lifetime he won awards for hiring the most black workers.
Trump was awarded the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in 1986. The irony burns. However:

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Trump was one of 87 people to be honored with the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in 1986 for his successful work as a developer in New York City, not for his work within the black community.

Trump was part of the first group of Americans to be given the award, which recognized people hailing from a variety of ethnic backgrounds who made significant contributions to the country, Otto Coca, communications director for the Ellis Island Honors Society, told The Associated Press last year.

Trump was honored because of his German heritage and his work as a developer.

https://apnews.com/article/archive-f...ing-6348420521

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None of his rhetoric is racist.




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He was interested in keeping jobs in American and bringing jobs back that had gone to foreign countries.
So was Obama and so is Biden.

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Nobodies perfect but overall he was a good President.
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That doesn't answer the question. Communism is the word for brutal totalitarian regimes like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China or today's North Korea. It just has nothing to do with socialist democracies like Sweden or Denmark that share resources across the society. You can't claim that they have anything in common.
They have quite a bit in common, but communism takes the idea so far that it's unfeasible within the human context, regardless of the totalitarian implementation. That doesn't mean that socialism is bad, just like the idea of drowning doesn't make water bad.
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Old 9th June 2021, 10:11 AM   #239
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Meh.
In 1930, Germany had been a united country for about 60 years and a republic for about 10. Trump has no real ideology other than self aggrandizement, unless you want to compare the Art of the Deal to Mien Kampf.

Comparisons to Hitler and the NAZIs are still facile and obscure more than they enlighten.


Edit to add, Its clear many on the right don't know the difference between communism and their own ********, this thread shows that many on the left don't know the difference between fascism and their own ********. Which, was the case when Orwell said as much in the 40s.

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
And of course capitalism can never be held accountable for its deaths, because that would be wrong. That is why we have to ignore all those and pretend they were naturally associated with progress.

Now bring back hand chopping off to motivate your workers, it worked for Leopold and Columbus and no one seriously thinks they were monsters of some sort.
How exactly is that capitalism?
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