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Old Yesterday, 01:54 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Next you'll tell us you didn't realize what businesswire is or what a PR firm does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill%2...ton_Strategies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Wire

Filtering your own self-congratulatory press releases through PR firms isn't going to fool many people.

It does apparently fool enough people to keep money coming in, though.
Self congratulations was not the point. The point is that the various people involved at Rowan, who performed experiments at Rowan over some years, were willing to stand behind their work in a press release. Simple as that.

It's fascinating that supposedly rational skeptics here are entertaining a wider and wilder web of conspiracy theory involving an increasing number of people in an increasingly fantastical scam over time.

The rational alternative is that a genius has been running a company that has been making incremental and substantive progress for twenty five years in pure and applied physical and chemical research, and is soon to emerge from a largely ignored backwater eddy of results to appear as a tsunami in the science and technology sector.

Neither is there a conspiracy against Mills to thwart his work. Again, how interesting that supposedly rational skeptics here are projecting such a mindset to Mills supporters. No, other than one or two people inappropriately using their influence in the patent office over a decade ago there has been nothing nefarious going on to hinder Mills work that I am aware of. Just the usual human responses of indifference, incredulity, deference to authority, and falling into the somewhat darker 'reputation trap.'

From https://aeon.co/essays/why-do-scient...of-cold-fusion

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Again, there’s a sociological explanation why few people are willing to look at the evidence. They put their reputations at risk by doing so. Cold fusion is tainted, and the taint is contagious – anyone seen to take it seriously risks contamination. So the subject is stuck in a place that is largely inaccessible to reason – a reputation trap, we might call it. People outside the trap won’t go near it, for fear of falling in. ‘If there is something scientists fear, it is to become like pariahs,’ as Lundin puts it. People inside the trap are already regarded as disreputable, an attitude that trumps any efforts that they might make to argue their way out, by reason and evidence.
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Old Yesterday, 02:53 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Self congratulations was not the point. ....o the somewhat darker 'reputation trap.'

From https://aeon.co/essays/why-do-scient...of-cold-fusion
for all that you can't provide conclusive evidence yet that it works and is more than just some ballyhoo to raise publicity.
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Old Yesterday, 02:56 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
It's fascinating that supposedly rational skeptics here are entertaining a wider and wilder web of conspiracy theory involving an increasing number of people in an increasingly fantastical scam over time.
No vast conspiracy. I'd say a small group of grifters surrounded by some who are willing to sell out and others who are hopeful but clueless.

Originally Posted by markie View Post
The rational alternative is that a genius has been running a company that has been making incremental and substantive progress for twenty five years in pure and applied physical and chemical research, and is soon to emerge from a largely ignored backwater eddy of results to appear as a tsunami in the science and technology sector.
The key word in all of that is "soon". (Free beer tomorrow!)
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Old Yesterday, 03:53 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
If hes not in on it, then he's the single must gullible and easily manipulated man on the planet. He'd have to be dumber than his investors!
Yes considering he has demonstrated clearly that he imagines he's some sort of great scientist - and isn't - I wouldn't put anything past him!
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Old Yesterday, 03:55 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
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It's fascinating that supposedly rational skeptics here are entertaining a wider and wilder .....
It's fascinating that a supposedly rational person is entertaining the idea that Mills is not a scammer despite thirty years of hard solid evidence that he is.

Odd isn't it?

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Old Yesterday, 03:57 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by jrhowell View Post
No vast conspiracy. I'd say a small group of grifters surrounded by some who are willing to sell out and others who are hopeful but clueless.



The key word in all of that is "soon". (Free beer tomorrow!)
....while at the same time constantly changing his company's name and every two years or so saying he's ready to go and using essentially the same template to accomplish...........nothing.
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Old Yesterday, 04:37 PM   #167
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Markie: When is Mills going to commercialize his cure for cancer that he had back in 1988?
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Old Yesterday, 05:05 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
It's fascinating that supposedly rational skeptics here are entertaining a wider and wilder web of conspiracy theory involving an increasing number of people in an increasingly fantastical scam over time.
Kid,

We eat tinfoil hatters for breakfast.

Your lame-ass attempt to make legitimate criticism of a small but effective con operation look like a conspiracy theory is adorable, but ultimately only reflects badly on you. In the end, you are admitting that you don't HAVE any independent verification to offer, just press releases and paid demonstrations you repackage.

30 years on and despite DECADES of promises that a device is just a few months away, Mills is still producing noting. There are only two kinds of people who take Mills seriously:

1. Con men who are in on the con. (Probably a small number, all of whom are on his payroll.)

2. Scientifically illiterate morons who are being fleeced because they don't know enough about science to see Mills for what he is.
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I've not followed the thread closely, but can you use it to power an EmDrive?
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Old Yesterday, 05:58 PM   #170
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Originally Posted by Hans View Post
....while at the same time constantly changing his company's name and every two years or so saying he's ready to go and using essentially the same template to accomplish...........nothing.

Not to mention an ongoing history of deleting as much of his earlier claims as he can, making it harder for anyone new to his scam to find out about it.


Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I've not followed the thread closely, but can you use it to power an EmDrive?

Sorry, no, the Quantum Confabulator destabilizes the Double-Reverse Momentum Denyalator.
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Old Today, 01:47 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Self congratulations was not the point. The point is that the various people involved at Rowan, who performed experiments at Rowan over some years, were willing to stand behind their work in a press release. Simple as that.

But not, apparently, to publish their results in a high impact peer reviewed journal, which (if they're accurate) is what their work deserves.
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It's been a few months I think, so time for me to check in to this thread again and ask my recurring question.

So, when can I get my BLP Free Energy Generator? I was led to believe they would be heading to market soon.
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Old Today, 02:17 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I've not followed the thread closely, but can you use it to power an EmDrive?
You couldn't use it to drive an Em Space.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I've not followed the thread closely, but can you use it to power an EmDrive?
That is an incredibly apt comparison for this claim, it that shows that even when preliminary results would invalidate one of the bedrocks of science because other independent scientists can apparently replicate in part those results serious scientists and engineers got behind it. If Mills had been able to deliver anything that others could replicate over the past 30 years no matter how paradigm shifting others would have tried to replicate it.

He didn't, they didn't.
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I think Mills might have missed the boat - these guys seem to have it cracked. It's easier to donate to them, too.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I think Mills might have missed the boat - these guys seem to have it cracked. It's easier to donate to them, too.
His duct tape tool box and yard sale lamp are very impressive indeed.
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
The rational alternative is that a genius has been running a company that has been making incremental and substantive progress for twenty five years in pure and applied physical and chemical research, and is soon to emerge from a largely ignored backwater eddy of results to appear as a tsunami in the science and technology sector.
markie is talking about the genius who has been unable to devise a practical technology for converting thermal energy into electricity.

Before Mills can do that, he has to invent a practical time machine that will transport him back to the late 18th century, when James Watt and Matthew Boulton developed the Boulton and Watt steam engine. Mills will also have to transport himself to the 19th century, when several inventors, building on fundamental research by Michael Faraday, developed the dynamo.

After announcing his success with time travel, Mills will then report that further progress must await a time machine that will allow him to visit the 18th and 19th centuries simultaneously.
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... It's fascinating that... [/url]
... crank science attempts to sway lay people in the wrong venues in order to find support, and in so doing confesses to its true nature, meaning, falsehood. That and some hot metal will irony your shirts in a jiffy!
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I think Mills might have missed the boat - these guys seem to have it cracked. It's easier to donate to them, too.
Seems legit!
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To be fair, there is one tangible effect Mills has shown.

He is capable of making money vanish no matter what project he starts.
He has a sort of anti-dollar field.
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
To be fair, there is one tangible effect Mills has shown.

He is capable of making money vanish no matter what project he starts.
He has a sort of anti-dollar field.


His version of the con has lasted a good 30 years, while it looks like Theranos won’t make it to 20.

It’s all about reach. Mills is keeping just far enough under the radar that he’s not attracting regulatory attention. He’s also only hitting corporations for small values, making court cases to go after him more expensive than the funds that could be recovered.
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