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Old 25th October 2017, 02:05 PM   #361
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Have at it. I don't see anything stopping you. I trust you will let us all know how it went.

Now then, if we are done flogging this dead horse what was the topic of this thread again?
IIRC it was South Tower: Calculating the moment of the initial boom, but we all had a hand in hijacking the thread to include WTC 7, which obviously directly correlated in MJ's CT world.
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Old 25th October 2017, 02:52 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
IIRC it was South Tower: Calculating the moment of the initial boom, but we all had a hand in hijacking the thread to include WTC 7, which obviously directly correlated in MJ's CT world.
It's an overall point about finding the special engineer. Not only would it be standard protocol to try to speak to a witness like that, but according to you guys it would only lead to good PR for the official story. Think about it, the walking, talking, holy grail of WTC conspiracy theory debunking. He is perhaps the only missing link in understanding the foreknowledge of WTC 7. Just get him on camera with some other first responders and city workers to back him up.

The topic about the rumble of the South Tower starting slightly before the perimeter started moving down is just a detail that doesn't do the structural failure hypothesis any favor.

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Old 25th October 2017, 03:03 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
It's an overall point about finding the special engineer. Not only would it be standard protocol to try to speak to a witness like that, but according to you guys it would only lead to good PR for the official story. Think about it, the walking, talking, holy grail of WTC conspiracy theory debunking. He is perhaps the only missing link in understanding the foreknowledge of WTC 7. Just get him on camera with some other first responders and city workers to back him up.
This is where you're sadly mistaken. There's no reason what so ever to play up the "official story". It's the only one out there. All the rest are just bits and pieces of BS someone hopes will connect to something meaningful.
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Old 25th October 2017, 03:21 PM   #364
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
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The topic about the rumble of the South Tower starting slightly before the perimeter started moving down is just a detail ...

You learned something: No "boom"!
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Old 25th October 2017, 03:25 PM   #365
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You learned something: No "boom"!
I was just going to say that too!

Question answered, thread closed
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Old 25th October 2017, 05:13 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
IIRC it was South Tower: Calculating the moment of the initial boom, but we all had a hand in hijacking the thread to include WTC 7, which obviously directly correlated in MJ's CT world.
So we started with a thread about a thing that wasn't even a thing and it morphed into a different thing that also isn't a thing.

Par for the course.
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Old 25th October 2017, 05:46 PM   #367
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
It's an overall point about finding the special engineer. Not only would it be standard protocol to try to speak to a witness like that, but according to you guys it would only lead to good PR for the official story. Think about it, the walking, talking, holy grail of WTC conspiracy theory debunking. He is perhaps the only missing link in understanding the foreknowledge of WTC 7. Just get him on camera with some other first responders and city workers to back him up.
Pathetic.

Your "special engineer" was just one voice out of many who stated the obvious about WTC7. All of FDNY knew the fires would burn unprosecuted, they had just witnessed two similar buildings collapse due to impact damage and fire.

Let me boil it down for you: Fire = Bad

Two years before the north east had suffered the loss of 6 firefighters in Worcester, and caution was the word of the day. The building was empty, they had no water, and the priority was search and rescue.
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Old 26th October 2017, 01:13 AM   #368
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
It's an overall point about finding the special engineer. Not only would it be standard protocol to try to speak to a witness like that,
That is, in fact, the only point worth mentioning here. It's worthwhile in itself to gather oral histories of the event from the different perspectives of those who experienced it. However, these are of most value when recorded early, before memories have faded and become conflated and confused. Recollections sixteen years after the event, though still of value, are always going to be less reliable.

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but according to you guys it would only lead to good PR for the official story.
Just about everything in this clause is a strawman.

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Think about it, the walking, talking, holy grail of WTC conspiracy theory debunking.
No, it would just be one more witness account to be quote mined, misrepresented, misinterpreted, ignored or spuriously branded as outright lies by the lying liars of the 9/11 truth movement.

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The topic about the rumble of the South Tower starting slightly before the perimeter started moving down is just a detail that doesn't do the structural failure hypothesis any favor.
As pointed out ad nauseam, any rumbling coming from the South Tower just before visible movement of the perimeter is (a) fully consistent with progressive structural failure due to fire-induced weakening and distortion of the structure, and (b) completely inconsistent with the hypothesis that explosives were used to initiate collapse. I'm not going to discuss the thermite hypothesis here other than to say that one isn't even consistent with itself.

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Old 26th October 2017, 02:20 AM   #369
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Interesting as well that, in the JFK thread, MJ is insisting that 15, 20 or 30-year-old memories should be considered as completely accurate. Yet here....

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I did not. Perhaps Nigro should be asked about the special engineer so maybe if he met him he could clear things up as far as his 15-year-old memory will do.
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Also, I think some of you are interpreting quotes of first responders a certain way. I acknowledge that there are several statements from firefighters saying that they personally agreed that the building was jeopardy because of the damage and/or warning signs they observed. But you should also realize that A. These statements were made in hindsight, in some cases years later. It is important to be conscious on how hindsight can affect a witness statement. B. Within the firefighter community, and generally the community of first responders on the day of 9/11/2001, you may observe that they are more likely to talk in terms of first person "We".



MicahJava, perhaps you'd like to clarify your position here. Are witness statements that are 15 years old reliable or not?
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Apparently the people on this thread don't event think it's a good idea to interview the special engineer if he's still around. How could someone deny history such an important star witness?
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Have at it. I don't see anything stopping you. I trust you will let us all know how it went.
I too think you should interview the engineer yourself.
Assuming you do, how accurate do you think his memory of the events will be? You seem to be in two minds on this point.
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Old 26th October 2017, 04:23 AM   #370
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I too think you should interview the engineer yourself.
Assuming you do, how accurate do you think his memory of the events will be? You seem to be in two minds on this point.
I just wonder if the investigation won't stop until this engineer is found to be, for whatever reason, some kind of (((globalist))).
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I too think you should interview the engineer yourself.
Assuming you do, how accurate do you think his memory of the events will be? You seem to be in two minds on this point.
I think we know the answer to this. Anything that seems to support MJ's fantasy world will be regarded as gospel, anything that doesn't will be rejected. No need to read this book, we all know how it ends.
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Old 26th October 2017, 05:45 AM   #372
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Think about it, the walking, talking, holy grail of WTC conspiracy theory debunking.
When I read how you paint it, I can't help being reminded of this video.

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It's an overall point about finding the special engineer. Not only would it be standard protocol to try to speak to a witness like that, but according to you guys it would only lead to good PR for the official story. Think about it, the walking, talking, holy grail of WTC conspiracy theory debunking. He is perhaps the only missing link in understanding the foreknowledge of WTC 7. Just get him on camera with some other first responders and city workers to back him up.

The topic about the rumble of the South Tower starting slightly before the perimeter started moving down is just a detail that doesn't do the structural failure hypothesis any favor.
Did you investigate whether the SE was killed by Spontaneous Human Combustion?
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It's almost in the theatre of the absurd realm.

If there's a murder at half-time during a football game, is it a bad investigation if every single person in the stands isn't interviewed? I mean, they have video, they interviewed those on the field, maybe a few in the stands that saw things. They recovered the murder weapon, identified the murderer from DNA evidence. They have the bullet that killed the victim.

I don't see what tracking down the hot dog concessioner is going to add to the investigation at this point. It's not like they'll find him, and he pulls off a rubber mask to show he's really Old Man Jenkins.

"If it wasn't for you meddling kids!"

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Did you investigate whether the SE was killed by Spontaneous Human Combustion?
It was probably HAARP.

HAARP can do anything.
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It's almost in the theatre of the absurd realm.

If there's a murder at half-time during a football game, is it a bad investigation if every single person in the stands isn't interviewed? I mean, they have video, they interviewed those on the field, maybe a few in the stands that saw things. They recovered the murder weapon, identified the murderer from DNA evidence. They have the bullet that killed the victim.

I don't see what tracking down the hot dog concessioner is going to add to the investigation at this point. It's not like they'll find him, and he pulls off a rubber mask to show he's really Old Man Jenkins.

"If it wasn't for you nosy kids!"
"Pesky". "pesky" interfering kids. Possibly, "interfering" or occasionally both.
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"Pesky". "pesky" interfering kids. Possibly, "interfering" or occasionally both.
I edited it. Better now?

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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
It was probably HAARP.

HAARP can do anything.
Eleventy!

It can fry or freeze!
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