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12th December 2012, 06:01 PM | #641 |
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Many, including Dan Behat, former archaeologist of Jerusalem, believe the best evidence is that it is most probably directly under the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. For a picture go to the below link and scroll down a little over half way to where it says "1st century tomb."
http://www.treasury-tours.com/Israel-Tours.html Also you have much historical evidence that the person Bart Ehrman said certainly existed was crucified and his tomb was empty shortly thereafter. |
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Except that it isn't, and there is no evidence for it being a place where your fellow christians cannot agree among themselves as to the removal of the holy step ladder.
ETA: Forgot the sarcasm smiley there. That is but one step away from the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. Of course a tour company must have no interest in promoting themselves to the punters, right? BE did not state that. And who really cares which individuals robbed the grave of an itinerant, unemployed chippy two thousand years ago? |
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Hmm. I wonder how many tombs and other burial sites have been uncovered that did have bodies in them.
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I was speaking from memory above, actually this is what Dan Behat said:
We may not be absolutely certain that the site of the Holy Sepulchre Church is the site of Jesus' burial, but we have no other site that can lay a claim nearly as weighty, and we really have no reason to reject the authenticity of the site.” http://senathchurchofchrist.org/wp-c...-of-Jesus1.pdf |
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The one you admit you didn't read in toto?
Did you respond to the only bit of my post you thought you could address purposely? Surely a lie by your shoddy chippy's rulz? Just like a modern day chippy, fails to turn up when he said he would? No? What of the holy stepladder? No comments there? No? What of the location made up of whole cloth? No comments there either? City walls ring any bells? Outside or inside city walls ring any bells? No? |
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Oh now it works.
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And yet you've denied equating that person with a divine being. Why do you keep bringing him up? If you agree with Bart Ehrman that an itinerant preacher named Jesus existed who was mortal, why do you believe that morals came from that person? Where did morals come from before 2000 years ago?
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You make a statement of fact with no proof, I thought skeptics didn't like to do that.
It seems some Skeptics always want proof this, and proof that, unless they want to attack someone, then they don't need proof. Without proof, one should apologize for such a statement. But I guess you just have a feeling it's true, so you made the statement of fact based on that feeling. And for the record I am the one who brought in his exact wording, even though no one asked for it. Below is another example of you making a statement of fact with no proof:
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They don't. Do you really want me to dredge up the various statements you have made? I have no wish to embarrass you, but I you wish, I would be happy to do so.
Proof you have consistently failed to provide, since you have none, and no ad hom, just pointing out an argument without substance. Apologise for what? Pointing out the flaws in your argument? I think not. You have demonstrated it to be true. I have no axe to grind, but if you want to go down this road, I am content to dredge up the nonsense you have posted before. No one asked for it by your own admission, so take it away. That was a question, not a statement. |
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"According to tradition" you better not shout.
"According to tradition" you better watch out. "According to tradition" some loon in a red suit is hitting the town and boy is he peeved. "According to tradition" if you are a crook then you will receive some coal under a tree you arbitrarily placed in your living room. "According to tradition" if you obey the "rulz" (insert locale of choice) then random gifts will appear under said arbitrary tree in your living room on a particular date. "According to tradition" said gifts will be delivered by an unlikely method. Wait a minute. With a little editing, I may be able to demonstrate that jebus is Santa. New world religion, yay. |
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Oral tradition was very important back then in that era of little literacy and no newspapers, or even paper. Maybe that is why Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan said:
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Unless it can be distorted to suit DOC's agenda of course. He's ignored most of what Ehrman has ever said and selected one point on Ehrman's arguments have been shredded,.
1. Stop using terms like "strawman" until you understand what they mean. 2. "An empty tomb is some evidence of a reported Resurrection": no it isn't. 3. If you accept Ehrman's opinion on Jesus, why do you reject his opinion on the putative Jesus' divinity? |
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Bahat, at least try and get his name right.
And on what evidence does he base his opinion? And that Jesus wasn't divine, you ignore that bit because it contradicts your fantasy. And lied and evaded about not reading. Like "strawman", "ad hominem" is a term you should refrain from using until you can use it correctly. Pointing out that you have lied isn't an ad hominem argument, it's a statement of verifiable fact. |
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Actually Ehrman didn't make a statement of fact that Jesus wasn't divine, he stated he is an agnostic who leans toward Jesus not being divine.
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