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Old Yesterday, 10:48 PM   #721
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
My final word on this subject is you've proven my point for me. Your quote states:

Note: surgical masks, which we've well and truly proven are useless against aerosols.

Aerosol spread is irrelevant.
That doesn't mean ****. Nurses have been given surgical masks for airborne isolation for a century. Only in 1989 with a couple TB outbreaks in the US did anyone even notice said masks were never tested to verify they protected the workers.

Don't get me started, I don't have time to post all I know about the history of failure to protect health care workers from infectious disease hazards on the job. Notice they are telling nurses in many facilities to use "droplet precautions" with COVID. Notice how many health care workers are getting infected.

Notice also how many people are touting N95s for COVID. Why if it is droplet spread? According to you that's evidence it's airborne. Obviously that is not evidence.

Notice also you'd be very hard pressed to find a single study testing if N95s are protecting health care workers from COVID.


Believe me, the staff rarely avoids norovirus when it circulates.


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I haven't said anywhere they don't matter with Covid-19 - I'm saying it's the minor means of transmission.
Minor is relative.
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Old Yesterday, 10:52 PM   #722
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Might be a false dawn, but everybody seems to be doing the right thing, so another week of reductions and the worst could be over.
I doubt that, I honestly don't think it has really started yet.
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Old Yesterday, 11:01 PM   #723
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Originally Posted by Cheetah View Post
I doubt that, I honestly don't think it has really started yet.
Gut feel? Because we have been doing all that the experts have asked and I would have expected a reduction sooner or later.
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Old Yesterday, 11:24 PM   #724
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Gut feel? Because we have been doing all that the experts have asked and I would have expected a reduction sooner or later.
Australia has taken measures to reduce the infection rate. I would agree we should be seeing a reduction about now because of that. If we do not then the measures are not working. A lot depends on the timing between a person actually getting infected and their results coming out.

Then there are people who are infected who come into the country. The measures will not impact on these numbers. They need to go into quarantine on arrival or they may start infecting other people.
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Old Yesterday, 11:42 PM   #725
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Geeze. Every hospital bed I've ever been in had an inter-com to the nurse's station. And a land line. Use one of those.

Or are you so far back in the woods you use rotary dialed party lines? Put your finger in the hole, rotate the dial, remove your finger, let the hand piece go spark-spark-spark- for every digit?

And you disconnected the intercomm- the patient had to start it by blowing in the hose, the nurse heard the whistle, removed the plug, listened to the patient " More steeam! Full Steam Ahead! I want to lick this Virus the Finnish way!" I guess covid patients can't blow hard enough for the whistle?
No bed space in our hospital has an intercom to nurses station, I have never seen such a system in the UK. Very few have land lines, and with mobiles the need disappeared. Yes intercoms are what we need, but it is not what we have.
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Old Today, 12:26 AM   #726
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Originally Posted by Planigale View Post
No bed space in our hospital has an intercom to nurses station, I have never seen such a system in the UK. Very few have land lines, and with mobiles the need disappeared. Yes intercoms are what we need, but it is not what we have.
I've seen that in an old folks institution here in Norway. I don't know if it's standard, but that's what they had; telephone and intercom in each of the rooms (more like small apartment).

ETA: That was 15 years ago, so could be different now.

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Code:
Country     Total       Total     Total      New        Total            Active    Serious  Tot Cases/  Deaths/
                 Cases      New     Deaths  Deaths    Recovered    Cases     Critical   Million        Million

Australia    4,163      +528       17        +3       244               3,902           28         163     0.7  Jan 24
Sweden     3,700      +253      110       +5         16               3,574          255         366    11  Jan 30
What are those figures telling us? Sweden is doing little do manage Covid-19 but Australia is.
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Australia 4,163 +528 17 +3 244 3,902 28 163 0.7 Jan 24
Sweden 3,700 +253 110 +5 16 3,574 255 366 11 Jan 30


What are those figures telling us? Sweden is doing little do manage Covid-19 but Australia is.
Sweden is famously doing little to manage it. Wow! Their closed case mortality rate is 87%.
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That said, these are early days and it is too dangerous to assume that cases will simply peak once and be the end of it. The main issue is, of course, that slowing transmission of the disease within the country only means that there remain a lot of people who are still receptive to the virus.
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