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But let's examine another post of Unabogie's hard on for the TPP.
Did TPP people become "wealthier" from disability checks? I didn't see that in the NYT poll. Of course, all of Unabogie's petty pusillanimous pot shots were missing from the NYT poll. |
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You mean the liberal lame stream media wouldn't want to portray Black Panthers in a bad light, or they wouldn't want word to get around about voter intimidation at a polling center? You are correct. Those are not of interest to them, unless of course the two guys happened to be Caucasian.
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What's the best argument for UHC? This argument against UHC. "Perhaps one reason per capita GDP is lower in UHC countries is because they've tried to prevent this important function [bankrupting the sick] and thus carry forward considerable economic dead wood?"-BeAChooser |
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Honest discussion to you is saying, "Publicity is what they wanted it and conservative news outlets are giving it to them." Really? What is your explanation for why you believe the lame stream media was not covering it at the time?
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Because as the facts have panned out that it is a non-issue.
If you think this raises concerns about there being too high an evidentiary bar, that's one thing. But the question is why this case and not past cases? You are right, good point. The odd part is that we see in the videos people entering and leaving the voting area. You are using a police opinion that contradicts the video evidence. |
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You are right, that would be a lame argument. good thing I didn't say that.
What I'm saying is that we don't have sufficient evidence of the intimidation. We have implication that that is what there were doing, but clearly as has been stated by the DoJ, not evidence of the level required to prove it. We do have evidence of carrying a weapon at the site, hence the reason for the indictment. Like I said, If the argument is that the standard of evidence is too high, I agree. IF the argument is that the DoJ, on racist grounds, failed to file criminal charges, I fully disagree. |
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Excuse me. Have you some video showing them actually causing people not to enter the polling place? Something smells wrong about this. There were, apparently, people in place with video-recording capability who were interested in showing us video of the cops making them leave. They were, however, not apparently interested in showing us the behavior that caused the cops to be there. Smells really fishy to me.
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You think this is the sort of publicity they wanted?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8uMM58a6SE "New Black Panther Party Leader Malik Shabazz Heaping Praise on Osama Bin Laden" just 6 months after 9/11 Why is the Obama administration going out of it's way to protect this organization and it's members? This is a anti-American hate group. Why hasn't the Obama adminstration had anything to say about this other than "no comment"? Why hasn't the Obama administration done anything other than stonewall? In fact, when Adam's resigned over this matter (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-94202249.html ) he stated in his letter of resignation that:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccbd4...layer_embedded "Evidence - Obama Stole Election Against Hillary Voter Intimidation And Fraud" And who exactly gave the order to not cooperate with a subpoena in the Black Panther case? More than a few people need to be put under oath so we can get to the bottom of this, folks. Rather than let the Obama administration and the mainstream media sweep another one under the rug simply because they now control the DOJ. Didn't we learn anything from the 8 years of Bill Clinton? |
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Like I pointed out to ANTPogo, had the Bush administration filed criminal charges, your side of the political aisle would likely have jumped up and down calling Bush a racist. And as I pointed out, the Bush administration might have had logically valid reasons for deciding to make it a civil rather then criminal case. Perhaps they decided they could get an effective penalty against these men without making it a criminal case. Perhaps they reasoned that in these times of extreme political division (as evident even in a forum like JREF), they stood less of a chance of getting a jury conviction in a criminal case than in a civil case, where the requirements for jury agreement aren't has high.
The issue here (as indicated in the OP) is why the Obama administration decided to effectively put aside a judgment by a court against the men in the civil case that was filed. I really doubt that the Bush adminstration would have done that. Do you? So charges of racism, especially when one of the attorneys on the case says that senior officials in the Obama administration indicated there would be no Voting-Rights complaints filed where the victims were white, seem appropriate. And your unwillingness to honestly address that, or face the fact that the Obama administrations seems to be protecting an racially motivated hate group, is noted. |
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So it's the left's fault that Bush's DoJ didn't prosecute?
What happened to personal responsibility that I thought conservatives advocate? interesting that you find so many reasonable arguments to defend Bush's administrative handling of this situation. One must wonder why you don't use the same reasoning for Obama's..... |
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I am merely exposing your rather imbalanced approach to this issue.
you've already admitted that you aren't interested in voter rights in general. You are merely using this issue to characterize Obama as a racist. Funny how you didn't call Bush a racist for not prosecuting the minutemen or Shabazz. |
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Your unwillingness to address this issue settles the matter.
The Obama DoJ has done nothing "racist" here. In truth, I do hope this issue raises the curtain on voter practices and strengthens the application of laws to protect voters. One must wonder why the case precedence has allowed this tradition of "difficult to prosecute" to develop. Unfortunately, your narrow view of what is on topic will not allow such a discussion to take place. As such, we are merely limited to demonstrating why one cannot call Obama racist for doing exactly what Bush did. |
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Yup, but when you ask why certain things were not persecuted , it does matter that it was the Bush DoJ. They were the ones in charge at the time. Obama's admin dismissed two of the chargees and continued with the third. But if you are asking why criminal procedings did not occur, that is a question for the Bush admin.
So if the question is "Why were charges dismissed?:, Obama/Holder So if the question is "Why were criminal charges not persued?":, Bush/Mukasey |
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BAC, perhaps you could just PM everyone in advance exactly what you would like them to post? It will save you the trouble of having to deal with all these pesky counterarguments.
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Your misscharacterization of my argument is equal to admitting your OP was false. If you actually had evidence that this is proof that the Obama DoJ was racist, you would be able to explain what Bush's DoJ actions (which parallel the current administrations actions) were fundamentally different.
You haven't done that. Deny all you want: The facts of the matter are: 1.) Past voter intimidation cases were difficult to convict. 2.) Bush DoJ did not pursue criminal charges on Minutemen Case involving carrying a weapon and videographing people entering to vote. 3.) Bush DoJ did not indict minutemen case. 4.) Bush DoJ did not pursue criminal charges on Black Panther case. 5.) Obama DoJ dropped indictment on 3 individuals except 1, the one holding a weapon. It is clear that the Obama DoJ is acting in line with past administrations. If this makes Obama's Admin racist, then it also makes the Bush admin racist. |
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Read the OP. It clearly defines the topic. Since I have been severely reprimanded multiple times for discussing equivalent Clinton activities on threads with some point to make about Bush, I think it only fair that those who support Obama not be allowed to divert threads on his administration into discussions of Bush and company.
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ha ha those NBP punks look about as tough as the dudes on What's Happening!!
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Oddly enough this case was completed well over a year ago to little fanfare. Now Adams resigns and acts as if this case was the catalyst.
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False. Sure, the mainstream media might not have cared one iota but there was plenty of criticism of this decision. Here:
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There have been many complaints from the attorneys in the Voting Rights Section about the bias at DOJ that Adams has come forward about. According to Representative Frank Wolf (http://wolf.house.gov/index.cfm?sect...34&itemid=1575 ), when Voting Section chief, Chris Coates, complained he was transferred to South Carolina and at his going away luncheon, he complained vigorously about the New Black Panther Party case. Adams resigned when it became apparent that working internally within the DOJ wasn't going to fix this travesty of justice … when it became evident that the DOJ isn't listening but just doing more stonewalling. He resigned when he and others (as he noted in his letter of resignation) were finally "ordered not to comply" with a subpoena from the US Commission on Civil Rights. In disgust. The only fishy smell is that coming from the Obama administration and Holder's DOJ. |
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I meant Fishy in the sense that it's odd that he's acting as if this case was the catalyst for his departure a year after it's conclusion as opposed to biased DOJ policy in general. I smell a red herring. Not to say the supposed bias shouldn't be investigated.
Maybe i'm misunderstanding Adams. Is he claiming that they were instructed to ignore only "voting rights" cases where the victim is white but not all "civil rights" cases where the victim is white? |
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No, you made the blanket assertion that "Oddly enough this case was completed well over a year ago to little fanfare."
As for something being fishy because Adams didn't resign until now: http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/0...lack-panthers/
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I predict next Obama will shoe in New Black Panthers as members of his cabient and systematically remove white members of the administration in favor of fellow black militants and make the white man his slave as the socialist, facist, communist utopia becomes reality!! Muhwhahaha!!!!
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