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Old 16th August 2017, 01:20 AM   #121
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Lets see if Zapatas team fly the flyboard air in september AT the air show near barcelona.

you would think they would fly there right? I mean it is an air-show, the flyboard air is an exiting experimental aircraft, he has flown it in Barcelona before, and Yves Rossy is flying his real personal jet powered wing there.

Care to make a bet
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Can't be for money as i have none, But more than happy to do some kind of sportsmans bet that he does not fly the flyboard air actually AT the airshow event, actually DURING the airshow event.
Why is this event any different than any of his other pre-announced appearances. Why should I believe that you'd accept his appearance here as proof?
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It is not his own event, unlike the others, and it is a large public event.


Care to make a bet?

I bet he will not fly AT the event DURING the event.
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So if Franky would perform at a large public event that isn't run by his organization, you'd accept that as proof?
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What commitment has Zapata actually made with regard to this air show?
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Old 16th August 2017, 03:24 AM   #125
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So if Franky would perform at a large public event that isn't run by his organization, you'd accept that as proof?
I wish to make a sportsmans bet that he will not fly at this event during this event.
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I wish to make a sportsmans bet that he will not fly at this event during this event.
I wish to know whether he has said he will.
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What commitment has Zapata actually made with regard to this air show?
From what i can tell from that link, he is only planning to demonstrate his water propelled flyboard. Nothing else.

kind of odd, you know, to go to an air show, where everyone is there to see flying machines, and to have such an exiting crowd wowing one of a kind machine as teh flyboard air, and then not bother to fly it.

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From what i can tell from that link, he is only planning to demonstrate his water propelled flyboard. Nothing else.
https://www.facebook.com/festaalcel/...56000290975616

http://www.lavanguardia.com/local/ma...rd-zapata.html

https://www.pressreader.com/spain/la...82071981733017

http://radiopremiademar.org/homes-vo...a-al-cel-2017/

http://www.cifuentes.biz/jac/index.p...6-festa-al-cel

I could go on, the info is really easy to find.

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I wish to make a sportsmans bet that he will not fly at this event during this event.
You've denied that he's flown at any event he's appeared in. I'd like to know the exact details that make this event different. So far I've got that the event cannot be run by Zapata Industries. Any other requirements?
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Old 16th August 2017, 03:49 AM   #129
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What commitment has Zapata actually made with regard to this air show?
https://twitter.com/Zapata_Officiel/...66952556621824
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IMpressive list of links

Lets keep this simple.

i am saying he will not fly at and during this event.

I am saying that because i do not think it is real.

If anyone here wishes to make a sportsmans bet with me that he will fly at the event during the event and produce a video of such, or a video of such appearing online, then i am happy to accept it.

I do not think he will release a video of him flying AT or DURING the event. Just as happened at the air show in Miami where in his videos he did not fly AT or DURING the event.

even though this is an airshow, for air things, i think he ill only be 'flying' his water propelled hydro-flight flyboard.

Although i find it possible that his team will release a hoax video of him flying before or after the event.
But not AT it, DURING it.


Any takers for that bet?
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Not until Zapata himself makes some kind of statement about what he intends to do there. Something more specific than his current position of "#staytuned" would be good.
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Originally Posted by esspee View Post
Now we have Alexandru Duru and his stand on top drone flying above solid
ground at a football game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Od8P2CcPk


https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/36702...ria-guimaraes/



right, thats it - I'm off to the shop to buy the biggest box of wine i can carry


Crowd chanting something instead of sitting silent, slack-jawed, or cheering loudly. He lands, no "hooray!" type cheer. Makes you think.
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I'd like to make a side-bet with someone. I bet if Franky does in fact fly AT the show, DURING the event, that Esspee will discount the time or place that Franky flies and claim that he technically didn't fly AT or DURING the event so he can claim victory of for the bet.

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Old 16th August 2017, 06:26 AM   #134
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Crowd chanting something instead of sitting silent, slack-jawed, or cheering loudly. He lands, no "hooray!" type cheer. Makes you think.
Look how few f*cks are given by the people in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmaXd5IPQa0

Note the woman with the pony tail. Kind of looks a bit bored.

Note all the people not really that impressed or interested in what is going on.

Note the photographers with FOTO on their backs are they even looking?





Note also that the voice/sound/style of the PA guy announcing is exactly like that heard in several Flyboard air videos.

Watch from :12 to :15 several times ( up until the finger blocks him). Focus on Alex, observe the movement
Very odd.

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Note the woman with the pony tail. Kind of looks a bit bored.
She's working security. She gets paid specifically to give zero copulations for what fun things are going on at the event.

People behaving in ways that you think they ought not behave is not evidence of a hoax. If it were, the LA freeway system and the drivers that use it would be the biggest, longest running hoax in the world. I assure you, they behave in bizarre ways as a rule.

And you are *still* avoiding the reality of the crowd being present and witnessing the event. This is why you attempting to make a bet regarding Franky's public airshow appearance is useless. Here's Alex at a publicly televised event with tens of thousands of people, an event not controlled by his company, and your response is just to claim it didn't happen with zero evidence or explanation.

Assuming Franky goes through with the airshow, I have zero reason to believe your response will not be identical.
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Look how few f*cks are given by the people in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmaXd5IPQa0

Note the woman with the pony tail. Kind of looks a bit bored.

Note all the people not really that impressed or interested in what is going on.

Note the photographers with FOTO on their backs are they even looking?





Note also that the voice/sound/style of the PA guy announcing is exactly like that heard in several Flyboard air videos.

Watch from :12 to :15 several times ( up until the finger blocks him). Focus on Alex, observe the movement
Very odd.
Funny how you focus your attention on those working the event, and ignore the grandstand full of fans, standing on their feet clapping and cheering...seen quite clearly in the last few seconds of the video. I know when I'm giving zero copulations, I always stand, clap and cheer.
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Note the woman with the pony tail. Kind of looks a bit bored.

Note all the people not really that impressed or interested in what is going on.

Note the photographers with FOTO on their backs are they even looking?
Life is not a movie. People seeing a cool stunt do not in reality all stare and clasp their faces in unison like thousands of Macaulay Culkins.

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Watch from :12 to :15 several times ( up until the finger blocks him). Focus on Alex, observe the movement
Very odd.
Go and compare it to the view from the live TV video. If you find any exciting discrepancies, come right back to us.
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8 months since Caey Niestats 'Human Fling Drone' Samsung video.

The feat has yet to be repeated as far as i can tell.

Anyone seen the drone since?
or anyone do similar?

i think even people here will see that this one does not count https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbCGsntQis

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8 months since Caey Niestats 'Human Fling Drone' Samsung video.

The feat has yet to be repeated as far as i can tell.
Why would they repeat it, it was done as a stunt, not as a something marketable.

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or anyone do similar?
why do they need too?

I'm not really sure what your issue here is. If you build a large enough drone that it has enough lift to carry itself and an 80kg person, what is preventing it from doing so? A drone is little more then a remote controlled multi-blade Helicopter, and they can fly and lift people, right?

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i think even people here will see that this one does not count https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbCGsntQis
That one we'll give you, it's clear that drone is not large enough to produce the required lift.
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Why would they repeat it, it was done as a stunt, not as a something marketable.



why do they need too?
Why, if you had a REAL drone capable of this, would you not showcase it at lease lifting 80kg weights or whatever. Why hide it away for 8 months? You only going to use it for christmas videos for Casey and samsung inc. ? Looking forward to december then.


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I'm not really sure what your issue here is. If you build a large enough drone that it has enough lift to carry itself and an 80kg person, what is preventing it from doing so? A drone is little more then a remote controlled multi-blade Helicopter, and they can fly and lift people, right?
Please link me to a working electric helicopter. One that is flying WITHOUT a cable supplying electricity to it from teh ground and that is manned.


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That one we'll give you, it's clear that drone is not large enough to produce the required lift.
that video was actually made long before the Casey Neistat one was made. Without the budget of Samsung behind it, or Casey's company and the revenue from the product placements used in his viral hit
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Why, if you had a REAL drone capable of this, would you not showcase it at lease lifting 80kg weights or whatever.
Can you hear yourself?

Imagine for a moment a video of a drone carrying what looks like a traditional style cast iron weight with "80kg" marked on it, and the video makers claim their drone can carry its pilot.

Imagine your own reaction to seeing that video. You'd be straight on here saying "Wow! Check this out!. These guys have really done it!" Right? Right.
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Can you hear yourself?

Imagine for a moment a video of a drone carrying what looks like a traditional style cast iron weight with "80kg" marked on it, and the video makers claim their drone can carry its pilot.

Imagine your own reaction to seeing that video. You'd be straight on here saying "Wow! Check this out!. These guys have really done it!" Right? Right.
i see your point.

do you see mine?

The weigth would have to have samsung written on it, and i guess it would never go viral.

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i see your point.

do you see mine?

The weigth would have to have samsung written on it, and i guess it would never go viral.
In complete seriousness, no, I don't see your point. Unless it's "I don't think I'd have done it like that and instinctively find that fact suspicious".
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It only took me about 30 seconds of googling to find out who built the drone in Casey's video. It's a company called "Droneworks Studios". They are an aerial cinematography company. (among other things)

They aren't in the business of building and selling custom drones, they are in the business of doing aerial photography, and they build their own custom drones to meet the needs of each project. You can read more from this interview with the 2 owners of the company:

https://uavcoach.com/interview-droneworks-studios/

They aren't really interested in showing off their drones, they are interested in showing off the quality of the footage those drones allow them to shoot. The drones are just a tool they use to create their final product...high quality aerial footage. They built the custom drone for Casey's shoot to meet the needs of that project. After the project was over, I'm guessing it was either disassembled to build drones for other projects, or it was re-purposed to carry a really big camera.
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Please link me to a working electric helicopter. One that is flying WITHOUT a cable supplying electricity to it from teh ground and that is manned.
Heh, someone is so sure of themselves they didn't bother typing electric helicopter into Google or YouTube. I assure you, plenty exist. Remember the equations that related blade size, lift capacity, and power requirements? Ya, electric helicopter are not a problem.
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Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 View Post
It only took me about 30 seconds of googling to find out who built the drone in Casey's video. It's a company called "Droneworks Studios". They are an aerial cinematography company. (among other things)

They aren't in the business of building and selling custom drones, they are in the business of doing aerial photography, and they build their own custom drones to meet the needs of each project. You can read more from this interview with the 2 owners of the company:

https://uavcoach.com/interview-droneworks-studios/

They aren't really interested in showing off their drones, they are interested in showing off the quality of the footage those drones allow them to shoot. The drones are just a tool they use to create their final product...high quality aerial footage. They built the custom drone for Casey's shoot to meet the needs of that project. After the project was over, I'm guessing it was either disassembled to build drones for other projects, or it was re-purposed to carry a really big camera.

we will never know.

Droneworks signed a non disclosure agreement with Samsung regarding the whole Casey Human Flying Drone Santa project (as a contributr to a large drone forum found out when they contacted them) They are unable to discuss it.

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Heh, someone is so sure of themselves they didn't bother typing electric helicopter into Google or YouTube. I assure you, plenty exist. Remember the equations that related blade size, lift capacity, and power requirements? Ya, electric helicopter are not a problem.
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Heh, someone is so sure of themselves they didn't bother typing electric helicopter into Google or YouTube. I assure you, plenty exist. Remember the equations that related blade size, lift capacity, and power requirements? Ya, electric helicopter are not a problem.
His "google-fu" is lacking.

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we will never know.

Droneworks signed a non disclosure agreement with Samsung regarding the whole Casey Human Flying Drone Santa project (as a contributr to a large drone forum found out when they contacted them) They are unable to discuss it.
But it reasonably answers your question as to why we haven't seen more of the drone in the last 8 months. The company was hired to do a project...they completed it, and moved on to other projects in the field that they work in....aerial photography.
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But it reasonably answers your question as to why we haven't seen more of the drone in the last 8 months. The company was hired to do a project...they completed it, and moved on to other projects in the field that they work in....aerial photography.
ignore the drone lifting Casey for just one moment.

There was a lot of outside drone footage used in the video, and someone had to direct and create and produce (and maybe fake) the footage.

Who better that these guys, maybe working with other viral video specialist and cgi experts.


please take the time to watch this video done by Casey about those who doubted it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyUrqZBs2XA

to my mind that is a textbook deflection from the real question of it is was faked complete with drowning the viewer in pointless details and re-framing the argument in ridiculousness. Please watch it and tell me that this a guy being straight, if after watching his monologue you actually think he is. Genuinely interested in your opinion tbh

Don't be thrown off by the sunglasses.

( i cover this in my video on it, but i don't want to link to my channel too much as not sure if it is acceptable behavior here)

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and ask yourself, if this needed all of these (tech details) how come Alex Duru can do it with only 8 small props, while riding atop and over solid ground (not snow) in the death zone?

Answer - ......



(ps - is the done real ? I am not questioning it. Is it capable of such a lift? I am not questioning that.
I am questioning whether this video event was faked or not. - bTW i would bet my left one at this point that indeed it was.)

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The answer is right there in the video you just linked. They doubled up everything to ensure Casey's safety...as they could be legally liable if something happened. Their drone had 1000 pounds of thrust with 16 props to lift 350 pounds of rider/aircraft. They could have gone with half that and still got the job done, but they wouldn't have the built in redundancy in case of a failure.

I guess Duru is a bit more of a daredevil. His drone doesn't have the backup. It's why he mostly flies over water. The stadium appearance was just a roll of the dice, hoping nothing went wrong. He also doesn't have to worry about legal liability, as he is both the builder and flyer...it's not like he's going to sue himself if something goes wrong.
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The answer is right there in the video you just linked. They doubled up everything to ensure Casey's safety...as they could be legally liable if something happened. Their drone had 1000 pounds of thrust with 16 props to lift 350 pounds of rider/aircraft. They could have gone with half that and still got the job done, but they wouldn't have the built in redundancy in case of a failure.

I guess Duru is a bit more of a daredevil. His drone doesn't have the backup. It's why he mostly flies over water. The stadium appearance was just a roll of the dice, hoping nothing went wrong.
cool, so you don't think he was showering details, being shifty and using deflection.

good to know.

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Okay - tbf, macguyvers input was good, and thanks.

Anyone else care to chime in? I am trying to get ahead of the curve and prepare a as much as i can a video for round two of the (possible) hoax this Christmas. This time i want to be fast on it. All opinions will help in my planning.
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Okay - tbf, macguyvers input was good, and thanks.

Anyone else care to chime in? I am trying to get ahead of the curve and prepare a as much as i can a video for round two of the (possible) hoax this Christmas. This time i want to be fast on it. All opinions will help in my planning.
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thanks. For some reason my computer or link can not handle the sheer size of that website.

but yeah - i do think this is possible these days. i guess the electric helichoppers prove that. ( i will take that L and thank you all for delivering it to me)

Its also possible that Casey will not revisit the stunt as it kind of had a bad backlash on him with his fans. They got annoyed by it.

My self serving thinking of course is that they got annoyed so much because their intuition told them it was a fake, not that it was a paid presentation ( advert) .

I guess my fantasy is that i only need to break through one of these hoaxes ( Zapata, Browning, Mayman, Duru, Niestat) and then they will all fall like Dominoes.

Today i have chosen to revisit the Casey one as i have come up short on all the rest despite all of my hard work.

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There might be a really obvious reason for that.
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Why, if you had a REAL drone capable of this, would you not showcase it at lease lifting 80kg weights or whatever. Why hide it away for 8 months? You only going to use it for christmas videos for Casey and samsung inc. ? Looking forward to december then.
Because it was a custom build for that shoot, it wasn't a commercialised drone.

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Originally Posted by esspee View Post
thanks. For some reason my computer or link can not handle the sheer size of that website.

but yeah - i do think this is possible these days. i guess the electric helichoppers prove that. ( i will take that L and thank you all for delivering it to me)

Its also possible that Casey will not revisit the stunt as it kind of had a bad backlash on him with his fans. They got annoyed by it.

My self serving thinking of course is that they got annoyed so much because their intuition told them it was a fake, not that it was a paid presentation ( advert) .
Yes, they showed their annoyance by giving the video 375,000 likes to only 10,000 dislikes. I'm pretty sure he won't be revisiting it, as it was a one-of stunt..doing it again would be pointless.

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I guess my fantasy is that i only need to break through one of these hoaxes ( Zapata, Browning, Mayman, Duru, Niestat) and then they will all fall like Dominoes.
Why would you think that? There all completely independent of each other, with different types of machines in different parts of the world. Even if one of them was proved to be fake, it would mean nothing to the veracity of the others (except in conspiracy land, where everything is connected)

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Today i have chosen to revisit the Casey one as i have come up short on all the rest despite all of my hard work.
Maybe you keep coming up short because there's no evidence to find that they are fake...because...(wait for it)...they're real!
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