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Old Yesterday, 04:44 PM   #41
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Another aspect is that I think there is evidence that we actually enjoy praising other people more than punishing. But that requires us to stick our neck out a bit, while punishing is not as risky. It has been some time since I took my last training course on it, but positive reinforcement has some pretty strong support for being good for both the trainer and the trainee.
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Well this is the point I am trying to make. I think there is a pleasure involved in punishing others. Others we dislike mostly. I suspect this may be hard wired into us to some extent but also think it may be re-enforced by religious conditioning, when the god worshiped has an impressive track record of punishing to the extreme directly, and indirectly by getting others to do it for him.

We have some evidence to support this idea when we look at were in the World punishments are most extreme and look at the religiosity in those places. When we look at some of the least religious places such as Scandinavia we see much less harsh punishment and rehabilitation being the primary focus. I have seen some hardliners scoff at this approach as being soft on criminals. This they present as being wrong as a self evident truth.
Stress(repentance) and pleasure(bliss) are two emotions which probably we should be getting due to hard wired some "cause and effect" natural mechanism in us. Either we are removing our inherited or acquired burdens(bliss) or we are adding more burden(stress). However it is subject to unintentional happening not to consciously done with an intention of some selfish interests.
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We've seen examples of animals demonstrating an understanding of unfairness (justice). The real difficulty we have with our human ability to weave a few layers of ******** onto things is where is the difference between justice and vengeance. What is fair and what is merely retribution are not the same. We have quite a history, however, of doing some clearly selfish things in the name of this moral standard.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
We've seen examples of animals demonstrating an understanding of unfairness (justice). The real difficulty we have with our human ability to weave a few layers of ******** onto things is where is the difference between justice and vengeance. What is fair and what is merely retribution are not the same. We have quite a history, however, of doing some clearly selfish things in the name of this moral standard.
Good post.

There seems to be a difference between humans living socially and other species living naturally, retribution is long term or short term. I am not considering natural constitutional inimical initiations and selfish and manipulative behaviour i.e whatever happen naturally not done consciously.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
We've seen examples of animals demonstrating an understanding of unfairness (justice).
Can you put forward some example of this? Thank you.
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Originally Posted by David Mo View Post
Can you put forward some example of this? Thank you.

Thanks David, I was going to ask the same question.
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Thanks David, I was going to ask the same question.
Sure.

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