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Old 11th July 2018, 07:47 PM   #681
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I can't help wondering what Trump thinks he is accomplishing? Seriously, does he really think he is influencing the respective electorates and governments in these countries? It's like he is just appealing only to his own base here at home. My guess is that each of the NATO countries will just roll their eyes and go on doing what they have been doing. They are just waiting him out.
Depends on the country. Germany may or may not be waiting him out, more deeply connected, or smaller, countries are likely to look on the US as a pack of complete idiots who could easily elect another demagogic, petty, mendacious, bigoted narcissist, and will change their view permanently.

As for what Trump is thinking: "Me Trump am strongest leader much better than Obama, me tell others what to do because me am strong and greatest at makedeal!" is about it.
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Old 11th July 2018, 08:13 PM   #682
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Depends on the country. Germany may or may not be waiting him out, more deeply connected, or smaller, countries are likely to look on the US as a pack of complete idiots who could easily elect another demagogic, petty, mendacious, bigoted narcissist, and will change their view permanently.

As for what Trump is thinking: "Me Trump am strongest leader much better than Obama, me tell others what to do because me am strong and greatest at makedeal!" is about it.
They all may or may not be waiting him out. I just don't believe they are going to be drastically increasing their military spending overnight. These are democratic governments which means increases in military spending require not only their executives, but the cooperation of their respective legislative branches.

Trump is batcrap crazy and they all know it. What's he gonna do? Pull the US out of NATO?
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Old 11th July 2018, 08:16 PM   #683
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I predict to "save the soybean market (and farmers)", Trump will propose loosening sanctions on Russia so the farmers can sell their soybeans there.
Russia is a net exporter of soy beans. And if they want to import some, they'd buy from the even larger exporter next door (Ukraine).

He's just blowing smoke because China ain't buying and if he thinks the farmers are going to believe his The Mooslim Kenyan Did It narrative, he's underestimating the farmers. It's that NYC slick con man mentality that they accuse Dems of. He thinks he's conning Cletus and Marjean, but I believe he's dealing with monster agri-business here.
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Old 11th July 2018, 09:40 PM   #684
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
As for what Trump is thinking: "Me Trump am strongest leader much better than Obama, me tell others what to do because me am strong and greatest at makedeal!" is about it.
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Old 11th July 2018, 09:41 PM   #685
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I can't help wondering what Trump thinks he is accomplishing? Seriously, does he really think he is influencing the respective electorates and governments in these countries? It's like he is just appealing only to his own base here at home. My guess is that each of the NATO countries will just roll their eyes and go on doing what they have been doing. They are just waiting him out.
Oh, are you kidding? This whole 2% or 4% business is just a tactic. The numbers themselves don't mean anything. Same with lashing out at Germany over Russia. It's meant to be disruptive.

But to what end? I'm not sure. It could be to play to his base, or maybe Putin has something on him, or it may even serve conservative interests. I don't have enough knowledge to say, certainly.

I have a guess tho...

I'd bet that part of it is personal. I think he doesn't like being lectured by the adults in the room. I think allied leaders stand in the way of his feelings of self importance. Dictators don't have to respond to their constituency, so it's easier for them to throw him parties!
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Old 12th July 2018, 01:29 AM   #686
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Not to mention, if you think about it, Trump won't even enact sanctions against Russia and he wants Germany to boycott their oil?

Apparently US companies want to sell natural gas to Germany.

This is from a year ago: Trump pitches US natural gas to European leaders, suggests Russian gas holds them hostage
No doubt lobbyists are feeding him his lines, although I think he probably still wanders off message because he's not all that together.
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Old 12th July 2018, 02:07 AM   #687
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Sean Spicer contradicts Trump's Manafort claims in new book

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ms-in-new-book

[blockquote] Dreamily envisioning Donald Trump as “a unicorn, riding a unicorn over a rainbow”, former press secretary Sean Spicer has filled a new book with breathless memories of his role in recent American history – while admitting that Paul Manafort, suspected of being a tool of Moscow, played a central role in the Trump campaign.[/blockquote]

I am not surprised by this.
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Old 12th July 2018, 02:10 AM   #688
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I think all us non-US NATO members should increase our military spending by a) organising a huge military parade, b) starting our own Space Force. I'm sure we could spend lots of money that way.
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Old 12th July 2018, 02:19 AM   #689
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Trump Tweets

"Billions of additional dollars are being spent by NATO countries since my visit last year, at my request, but it isn’t nearly enough. U.S. spends too much. Europe’s borders are BAD! Pipeline dollars to Russia are not acceptable!"

"Presidents have been trying unsuccessfully for years to get Germany and other rich NATO Nations to pay more toward their protection from Russia. They pay only a fraction of their cost. The U.S. pays tens of Billions of Dollars too much to subsidize Europe, and loses Big on Trade!"

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Old 12th July 2018, 02:20 AM   #690
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
Sean Spicer contradicts Trump's Manafort claims in new book

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ms-in-new-book

[blockquote] Dreamily envisioning Donald Trump as “a unicorn, riding a unicorn over a rainbow”, former press secretary Sean Spicer has filled a new book with breathless memories of his role in recent American history – while admitting that Paul Manafort, suspected of being a tool of Moscow, played a central role in the Trump campaign.[/blockquote]

I am not surprised by this.
Let's not underestimate how important a job fetching the covfefe actually is.
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Old 12th July 2018, 02:26 AM   #691
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Originally Posted by Jimbo07 View Post
Oh, are you kidding? This whole 2% or 4% business is just a tactic. The numbers themselves don't mean anything. Same with lashing out at Germany over Russia. It's meant to be disruptive.

But to what end? I'm not sure. It could be to play to his base, or maybe Putin has something on him, or it may even serve conservative interests. I don't have enough knowledge to say, certainly.

I have a guess tho...

I'd bet that part of it is personal. I think he doesn't like being lectured by the adults in the room. I think allied leaders stand in the way of his feelings of self importance. Dictators don't have to respond to their constituency, so it's easier for them to throw him parties!
I think he needs a new battlefield. He's been lashing out in all directions, which he's normally done, but he's doing more so than usual. He's got the Mueller nightmare in anteroom 1 and a complete **** up with Korea in anteroom 2. He has to distract the raw meat crowds, so picking fights with wimminz and friends is what he does best. He waits to see what appeals to the feeble minded and he'll run with that.

And this **** does sell with a certain minority of voters.
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Old 12th July 2018, 02:36 AM   #692
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Trump is a leader! Everyone else is looking the wrong way.
Scottish expression "They're all out of step except our Johnny" say the proud parents when watching their son in a military parade. Suspect that would be the mind set of the Trump supporters on here.
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Old 12th July 2018, 03:07 AM   #693
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Does he think the money is given to the USA?
Assumes capabilities not in evidence.
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Old 12th July 2018, 03:11 AM   #694
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They all may or may not be waiting him out. I just don't believe they are going to be drastically increasing their military spending overnight. These are democratic governments which means increases in military spending require not only their executives, but the cooperation of their respective legislative branches.

Trump is batcrap crazy and they all know it. What's he gonna do? Pull the US out of NATO?
I think that might well be on the agenda. That will give us a break when the russians grab estonia.
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Old 12th July 2018, 04:10 AM   #695
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... I'd bet that part of it is personal. I think he doesn't like being lectured by the adults in the room. I think allied leaders stand in the way of his feelings of self importance. Dictators don't have to respond to their constituency, so it's easier for them to throw him parties!
Completely on the money. The man is pure need, just like his whiny, panicked voters.
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Old 12th July 2018, 05:09 AM   #696
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Trump comments on his visit to the UK

He referred to Britain as a "pretty hot spot right now with a lot of resignations".

"I think they like me a lot in the UK; I think they agree with me on immigration...

"You see what's going on throughout the world with immigration... I think that's why Brexit happened."

He said the British people "voted to break it up, so I imagine that's what they'll do" and "Brexit is Brexit".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44802315
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Watching the head of NATO, the Norwegian Jens Stoltenberg, grovelling before Trump even to the point of giving him personally credit for supposedly increasing member states military spending (something which Trump repeatedly mentioned) is proof enough of how spineless these people are when dealing with Trump.

Pathetic.
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“They like me a lot in the UK.” Trump is not a glass-half-full kind of guy but rather puts a glass overflowing spin on everything. Lies and ignorant runnings off at the mouth become the alt reality.
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Old 12th July 2018, 05:19 AM   #699
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Watching the head of NATO, the Norwegian Jens Stoltenberg, grovelling before Trump even to the point of giving him personally credit for supposedly increasing member states military spending (something which Trump repeatedly mentioned) is proof enough of how spineless these people are when dealing with Trump.

Pathetic.
He is trying the method that works for many leaders - flattery.
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Watching the head of NATO, the Norwegian Jens Stoltenberg, grovelling before Trump even to the point of giving him personally credit for supposedly increasing member states military spending (something which Trump repeatedly mentioned) is proof enough of how spineless these people are when dealing with Trump.

Pathetic.
Yes, unless they actively support him, international leaders need to stand up to Donald Trump and make clear their opposition to him face-to-face. Too often it's like the GOP, brave off the record or when it doesn't matter and then toeing the line when push comes to shove.
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Old 12th July 2018, 06:04 AM   #701
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China Buys Record Amount of Russian Soy as It Shuns U.S. Growers

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China, the world’s biggest soybean importer, almost tripled purchases from Russia amid a trade dispute with the U.S., the biggest producer.

Russia sold about 850,000 metric tons of soybeans to China from the start of the 12-month season in July through mid-May, according to Russia’s agriculture agency Rosselkhoznadzor. That’s more than during any season before and compares with about 340,000 tons sold during all of the previous period
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ns-u-s-growers

American Soybean Association on Donald Trump’s trade dispute with China:

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“Soybeans are the top agriculture export for the US & China is the top market for purchasing those exports. The math is simple. You tax soybean exports at 25% & you have serious damage to US farmers”
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
China Buys Record Amount of Russian Soy as It Shuns U.S. Growers



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ns-u-s-growers

American Soybean Association on Donald Trump’s trade dispute with China:
You have to give him this, he said trade wars were easy to win..... he just didn't make it clear he meant China would find it easy to win.
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China Buys Record Amount of Russian Soy as It Shuns U.S. Growers



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ns-u-s-growers

American Soybean Association on Donald Trump’s trade dispute with China:
MAGA win for Russia.
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What are these "contributions" you refer to ?

Among some there seems to be the misapprehension that there's some sort of central fund into which NATO members pay and then NATO-related expenses are met from that central fund and that the US pays more than its fair share into that fund - none of that is the case.

It's true that the US spends a greater proportion of its GDP on its military than any other NATO member. That doesn't mean that it's subsidising the other NATO members in any way. I'm no military expert but it's entirely possible that the US could significantly reduce its military expenditure significantly and have no measurable impact on its ability to defend itself and/or meet its NATO obligations.

GOP orthodoxy dictates that military expenditure must always increase.



2% is IMO an arbitrary target. A country like the UK has all kinds of global ex-imperial obligations that a middle-European country simply doesn't have. "Our" 2% has to go a lot further than, say, Poland's. Who knows why individual countries agreed to a 2% target ?
It's also the case that the US is involved in military matters on a world scale, and this is simply not true of all NATO members. We spend something like 3.3% on the military, but it's ridiculous to think that all of this is spent due to NATO.

Trump is, and I think I'm the first person to notice, a moron. No one else has ever said so. But now that I've said it, people are agreeing.
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...snip...

Trump is, and I think I'm the first person to notice, a moron. No one else has ever said so. But now that I've said it, people are agreeing.
Some people are indeed saying that.
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Some people are indeed saying that.
A lotta people.
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A lotta people.
The best people
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I note he's having dinner tonight at Blenheim Palace. An inspired choice, as pointed out by a poster elsewhere:

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a Palace which looks like a Palace, has the word Palace in it and will certainly convince the American Delegation that they got to visit a Palace..............whilst simultaneously being the only "Palace" in the land not to be either a Royal or Church residence. There's only the Duke of Marlborough to arm twist into doing it, and his prescription drug addiction and prison sentences mean he probably owes the Authorities favours anyway.
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When is the Trump baby balloon going up?
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Yet another forehead slapping NATO summit circus brought to you by The Orange Clown™...

I've looked into my crystal ball, rubbed a magical pink stone counterclockwise three times around my bellybutton and have come up with this prediction:

Jim Mattis will hand in his resignation within 6 months.



Eventually he's going to get fed up with having to stomp out fires before the little voice in his head finally convinces him to jump ship:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-summit-mattis/united-states-100-percent-committed-to-nato-mattis-says-after-summit-idUSKBN1K2269
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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
Yet another forehead slapping NATO summit circus brought to you by The Orange Clown™...

I've looked into my crystal ball, rubbed a magical pink stone counterclockwise three times around my bellybutton and have come up with this prediction:

Jim Mattis will hand in his resignation within 6 months.



Eventually he's going to get fed up with having to stomp out fires before the little voice in his head finally convinces him to jump ship:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-summit-mattis/united-states-100-percent-committed-to-nato-mattis-says-after-summit-idUSKBN1K2269
I don't know, you think he has to be afraid what would happen if someone who cared more for Trump than america was there and was backing Trump up on his nonsensical lies about NATO.
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Trump doesn't like the looks of Air Force One (which in fact is the designation of any plane the President is on), says it's a "Jackie Kennedy color," wants to repaint it.
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You have to give him this, he said trade wars were easy to win..... he just didn't make it clear he meant China would find it easy to win.
He did say we'd get tired of all the winning.

*raises hand*

Ok... I'm there.
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Old 12th July 2018, 11:57 AM   #714
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Trump doesn't like the looks of Air Force One (which in fact is the designation of any plane the President is on), says it's a "Jackie Kennedy color," wants to repaint it.
https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-n...mpaign=organic
At least he doesn't want to paint it gold.
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At least he doesn't want to paint it gold.
Hmm... maybe not the outside.

I swear, if he got to redecoreate the interior, I can see it ending up looking like some Arabian Nights' harem. In other words... any of his tacky penthouse residences.
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Re: Air Force 1....
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At least he doesn't want to paint it gold.
I swear, if he got to redecoreate the interior, I can see it ending up looking like some Arabian Nights' harem. In other words... any of his tacky penthouse residences.
I prefer the John Oliver description:

A cross between C3PO's colon and a museum that nobody ever learned anything in.
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Oh, are you kidding? This whole 2% or 4% business is just a tactic. The numbers themselves don't mean anything. Same with lashing out at Germany over Russia. It's meant to be disruptive.

But to what end? I'm not sure. It could be to play to his base, or maybe Putin has something on him, or it may even serve conservative interests. I don't have enough knowledge to say, certainly.

I have a guess tho...

I'd bet that part of it is personal. I think he doesn't like being lectured by the adults in the room. I think allied leaders stand in the way of his feelings of self importance. Dictators don't have to respond to their constituency, so it's easier for them to throw him parties!
I agree its just a tactic. I'm simply doubting it's efficacy at accomplishing anything of substance.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
China Buys Record Amount of Russian Soy as It Shuns U.S. Growers
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You have to give him this, he said trade wars were easy to win..... he just didn't make it clear he meant China would find it easy to win.
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Trump Tweets

"Great success today at NATO! Billions of additional dollars paid by members since my election. Great spirit!"
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Trump Tweeted

"Germany just started paying Russia, the country they want protection from, Billions of Dollars for their Energy needs coming out of a new pipeline from Russia. Not acceptable! All NATO Nations must meet their 2% commitment, and that must ultimately go to 4%!"

2 percent of GDP is the agreed upon defence expenditure for each member state to reached by 2024. That's six years from now.
And just last night Trump said the U.S. spends too much on defence.

The U.S. spends 3.7 percent of it's GDP on defence, this is not going all to NATO commitments.


Now he wants to increase to 4 percent of GDP? That means spending more, not less. Does he know that?

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