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Old 14th March 2023, 07:01 PM   #1601
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And Biden has a new crisis to deal with, thanks to that drone being shot down over internatinal waters. There has got to be some kind of response, and it can's just be "tsk tsk" to Russia. Even more sanctions on the way, I supsect.
The Russians would never have dared under Trump!


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Old 15th March 2023, 09:03 AM   #1602
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I expect he's already said that.
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Old 15th March 2023, 01:16 PM   #1603
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What kind of response makes sense? And maybe I'm ignorant of the circumstances... was it a targeted attack on the drone, or was it an accident, started by a case of one side "counting coup" such as where aircraft that are adversarial, but not in direct conflict, prove their mettle by getting a missile lock or demonstrating a theoretical intercept? IIRC those used to be fairly common, and even an accident wouldn't necessarily be considered an act of war if direct hostilities were not ideal.

Not that it's really great for opposing powers to poke at each other in this way, but escalation is not always the best response to an incident. The dance continues--both sides exchange warnings not to push things too far, possibly exchange not-pologies, and note down important intel about each others' capabilities.

It's very different of course if we think that the intent was to destroy this drone. And I welcome correction by people that understand incidents like this better.
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Old 15th March 2023, 04:16 PM   #1604
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Originally Posted by gnome View Post
What kind of response makes sense? And maybe I'm ignorant of the circumstances... was it a targeted attack on the drone, or was it an accident, started by a case of one side "counting coup" such as where aircraft that are adversarial, but not in direct conflict, prove their mettle by getting a missile lock or demonstrating a theoretical intercept? IIRC those used to be fairly common, and even an accident wouldn't necessarily be considered an act of war if direct hostilities were not ideal.

Not that it's really great for opposing powers to poke at each other in this way, but escalation is not always the best response to an incident. The dance continues--both sides exchange warnings not to push things too far, possibly exchange not-pologies, and note down important intel about each others' capabilities.

It's very different of course if we think that the intent was to destroy this drone. And I welcome correction by people that understand incidents like this better.
From CBS News:

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For more than half an hour Tuesday morning, two Russian jets made a total of 19 passes on the drone, popping up in front of it to blast it with their jet exhaust and trying to drench it with their fuel.

One of the jets approached from the rear, and U.S. officials believe the pilot meant to come up in front of the drone so it would fly into the fuel cloud — but pulled up too soon and clipped the drone's propeller, which is located in the back, Martin reports.

"Just bad piloting," one official said, according to Martin.

Russian intercepts over the Black Sea are common, Kirby said in Washington, but this one "is noteworthy because of how unsafe and unprofessional it was, indeed reckless that it was."
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Old 16th March 2023, 10:55 AM   #1605
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See, that's a little vague. What usually happens in these "Intercepts"?

Honestly, this may be a case where the public isn't given all the information that goes into determining the response.
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Old 16th March 2023, 03:57 PM   #1606
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See, that's a little vague. What usually happens in these "Intercepts"?

Honestly, this may be a case where the public isn't given all the information that goes into determining the response.
That's certainly a possibility.

Have you seen the video released showing the Russians doing what is described above?
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I think Biden might have arranged for Poland to make our response.....
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Releasing the footage is already a response, as well as a temperature check of the will of the American people to escalate the conflict.
Russia directly attacking US military assets is crossing a line.
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Old 20th March 2023, 10:44 PM   #1609
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To poke back at Uvalde -

New report on Uvalde mass shooting exposes why law enforcement sat on their hands for over an hour

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The Texas Tribune reports that very early on in law enforcement’s engagement with the Uvalde shooter, they were warning one another that he was in possession of “an AR.” In an interview with investigators after the mass murder, Uvalde Police Department Sgt. Donald Page said that once they realized the suspect was handling an AR rifle, “We had no choice but to wait and try to get something that had better coverage where we could actually stand up to him.”
So... blame the rifle, eh? But of course, nothing can be done about rifle, because the well's been so poisoned by those with ill intent.
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Old 21st March 2023, 06:42 AM   #1610
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The hole in the "more cops" attitude has always been that in the school shooting context those cops have to be well trained and psychologically ready to engage on a near suicide mission on short notice.

These people do not grow on trees. The cops who get sent into these spots are being set up for failure.
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Old 21st March 2023, 07:19 AM   #1611
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The hole in the "more cops" attitude has always been that in the school shooting context those cops have to be well trained and psychologically ready to engage on a near suicide mission on short notice.

These people do not grow on trees. The cops who get sent into these spots are being set up for failure.
So you are saying we need to find a technological solution to this problem.
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Old 21st March 2023, 01:20 PM   #1612
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
To poke back at Uvalde -

New report on Uvalde mass shooting exposes why law enforcement sat on their hands for over an hour



So... blame the rifle, eh? But of course, nothing can be done about rifle, because the well's been so poisoned by those with ill intent.
But we must remember: guns don't kill people, people kill people.

(One of the most asinine memes ever created.)
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Well... Good job, Feds!

Feds take down Aryan prison based gang selling millions of doses of fentanyl in WA, AZ, ID, & AK
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Leave it to the democrats to stifle capitalism especially when run by a bunch of "fine people".

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Old 29th March 2023, 05:21 PM   #1615
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It's no coincidence that white supremacists are often connected to criminal activity. They're just scum.
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Old 29th March 2023, 05:42 PM   #1616
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An old term, 'cultural trap'. It use to define something that happened in a culture due to some historical reason and had become traditional. However the reason for it is gone and yet it remains and causes problems. An example before a strong judiciary system so dueling was seen as away to deal with problems between gentlemen. It persisted for hundreds of years until it was stamped out in the mid 19th century. The gentlemen of the period were very furious about its removal. In America fist fights use to be very common, and was considered the thing to do but it caused a lot of problems and started dying out in the 1960s. To many guns are a similar cultural problem, a deadly cultural trap.
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An old term, 'cultural trap'. It use to define something that happened in a culture due to some historical reason and had become traditional. However the reason for it is gone and yet it remains and causes problems. An example before a strong judiciary system so dueling was seen as away to deal with problems between gentlemen. It persisted for hundreds of years until it was stamped out in the mid 19th century. The gentlemen of the period were very furious about its removal. In America fist fights use to be very common, and was considered the thing to do but it caused a lot of problems and started dying out in the 1960s. To many guns are a similar cultural problem, a deadly cultural trap.
True. But it all boils down to the fact that, for many, the 'right' to own a gun...even guns designed for nothing more than killing as many people as quickly and easily as possible...is more important than people's lives. Even the lives of children. It's just a very sick sense of priorities.
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True. But it all boils down to the fact that, for many, the 'right' to own a gun...even guns designed for nothing more than killing as many people as quickly and easily as possible...is more important than people's lives. Even the lives of children. It's just a very sick sense of priorities.
That's why it is a cultural trap it causes more problems than in solves and came into being back in history where it made sense - it doesn't make sense now.
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Okay, Trump is indicted. The banking crisis seems to be under control. Inflation isn't great but it's not as bad. Russia is on the ropes and Ukraine will make real progress in the late spring and summer. It's time for Biden to appoint an heir apparent and say he won't seek a second term. He can announce and not look weak. Go out on a high note.
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I am worried Biden will probably have a Mid East crisis to deal with between Iran getting aggresive in Syria and Israel in total chaos.
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I am worried Biden will probably have a Mid East crisis to deal with between Iran getting aggresive in Syria and Israel in total chaos.
An even better reason to announce now.
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Okay, Trump is indicted. The banking crisis seems to be under control. Inflation isn't great but it's not as bad. Russia is on the ropes and Ukraine will make real progress in the late spring and summer. It's time for Biden to appoint an heir apparent and say he won't seek a second term. He can announce and not look weak. Go out on a high note.
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I am worried Biden will probably have a Mid East crisis to deal with between Iran getting aggresive in Syria and Israel in total chaos.
I am surprised Iran would cause such a fuss now.

After seeing Stubby McBonespurs blow up a perfectly acceptable deal to control Iran's nuclear program (one that Iran was probably happy with), you would figure Iran would want to avoid causing problems that might help get the republicans back in power.
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I am surprised Iran would cause such a fuss now.

After seeing Stubby McBonespurs blow up a perfectly acceptable deal to control Iran's nuclear program (one that Iran was probably happy with), you would figure Iran would want to avoid causing problems that might help get the republicans back in power.

Frankly I think the chaos in Israel has emboldened them.
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How tone-deaf is Jill Biden? After watching the NCAA Women's Basketball tournament she tweeted out:

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“So I know we’ll have the champions come to the White House, we always do. So, we hope LSU will come but, you know, I’m going to tell Joe [Biden] I think Iowa should come, too, because they played such a good game.”
How many ways is this wrong?

1. By tradition, the champions get a trip to the White House, not the runners-up.

2. Iowa lost by 17 points, so saying that they played such a good game is inaccurate.

3. Politically it's a buffoonish mistake. Maybe she felt sorry for the Iowa players, but it comes off as demeaning to the LSU players who deserve their moment in the sun.

Lots of backlash coming from the Left, especially Blacks. It's not hard to notice that Iowa's star player is White, while LSU's Angel Reese is Black.

Reese, termed the suggestion "a joke" and later said, "We not coming. Period."

Of course, Biden's spokesperson was forced to issue a clarification the next morning (reportedly at 6:00 AM) that only LSU would be invited to the White House.
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How tone-deaf is Jill Biden? After watching the NCAA Women's Basketball tournament she tweeted out:
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She's a college prof. Maybe her instinct is to say something good about both sides.
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Okay, Trump is indicted. The banking crisis seems to be under control. Inflation isn't great but it's not as bad. Russia is on the ropes and Ukraine will make real progress in the late spring and summer. It's time for Biden to appoint an heir apparent and say he won't seek a second term. He can announce and not look weak. Go out on a high note.
Whether or not Biden should not run is one question. But it would be catastrophic to name an "heir apparent." The nominee still has to win the primaries, and voters don't like being told what to do.

And as I think about it, I'm not sure there is an clear "heir apparent." Certainly not an obvious one.

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She's a college prof. Maybe her instinct is to say something good about both sides.
I heard there were fine people on both sides.

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I heard there were fine people on both sides.

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As far as I know, there were no fascists on either team.
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How tone-deaf is Jill Biden? After watching the NCAA Women's Basketball tournament she tweeted out:



How many ways is this wrong?

1. By tradition, the champions get a trip to the White House, not the runners-up.

2. Iowa lost by 17 points, so saying that they played such a good game is inaccurate.

3. Politically it's a buffoonish mistake. Maybe she felt sorry for the Iowa players, but it comes off as demeaning to the LSU players who deserve their moment in the sun.

Lots of backlash coming from the Left, especially Blacks. It's not hard to notice that Iowa's star player is White, while LSU's Angel Reese is Black.

Reese, termed the suggestion "a joke" and later said, "We not coming. Period."

Of course, Biden's spokesperson was forced to issue a clarification the next morning (reportedly at 6:00 AM) that only LSU would be invited to the White House.
When you have to pretend to get offended that the First Lady said something nice about the runners up because that's all you've got ...


Thanks Biden!
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When you have to pretend to get offended that the First Lady said something nice about the runners up because that's all you've got ...


Thanks Biden!
One might also consider that she might have figured Joe would follow the usual protocol anyway, and not invite both teams, and thus might have figured she could say something nice without it becoming the next silly-gate.
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Remember when the Democrats allowed, without even trying to do anything about it or talking about it, the expiration of a pandemic-inspired benefit that had brought lots of children out of poverty for a while, thus dumping them right back in? Well, it's happening again, and this time it's a pandemic-inspired Medicaid provision expiring with nobody even trying to do anything about it or talking about it. So instead of kids going back to poverty, it's about 15 million people overall losing health coverage... most of whom will still be qualified after the change but will fall through the cracks in the bureaucratic process to prove it & .

For several months, I haven't bothered commenting on this Administration's series of various republicanesque behaviors, but this one stands out from their usual baseline level of republicanesquity. It brings back memories from the campaign, when Biden was already clearly & unmistakably informing everybody that he did not want us all to have medical care and the Bidenistas kept insisting that that was somehow exactly the same as wanting everybody to have medical care.
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For several months, I haven't bothered commenting on this Administration's series of various republicanesque behaviors, but this one stands out from their usual baseline level of republicanesquity. It brings back memories from the campaign, when Biden was already clearly & unmistakably informing everybody that he did not want us all to have medical care and the Bidenistas kept insisting that that was somehow exactly the same as wanting everybody to have medical care.

Biden has been a strong supporter of the ACA and has worked to expand it. When did he say he didn't want everybody to have access to medical care? The big problem he faces in many areas is that he can't count on Senate votes from Manchin and Sinema, and since the election he can't count on getting anything through the House. He's going to have to spend a lot of energy for the next two years just to prevent backsliding.
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Biden has been a strong supporter of the ACA and has worked to expand it. When did he say he didn't want everybody to have access to medical care? The big problem he faces in many areas is that he can't count on Senate votes from Manchin and Sinema, and since the election he can't count on getting anything through the House. He's going to have to spend a lot of energy for the next two years just to prevent backsliding.
Look, you just don't understand. Since Republicans all vote in lock-step, the fact that Dems aren't all authoritarian lickspittles jumping when their leader says so is evidence that Dem leadership is weak and we should all vote Republican.

If Dems want our vote so bad they should just magically have the numbers to win votes in the House and magically have a way to force Manchin and Sinema to vote with them. The fact that they don't is just more evidence of how bad Dems are and why we should make the situation worse by with-holding our votes and/or voting Republican!


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New Crisis in Israel .
Biden cannot dodge this issue with basically a variation of "Thoughts and Prayers" for much longer. I know it is a turd sandwich...no matter what he does, he will get people angry on him, but eating turdsanwiches is a big part of the job.
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New Crisis in Israel .
Biden cannot dodge this issue with basically a variation of "Thoughts and Prayers" for much longer. I know it is a turd sandwich...no matter what he does, he will get people angry on him, but eating turdsanwiches is a big part of the job.
Do many American voters really care what the American president does regarding Israel?

Yeah the evangelicals might care because "that's where the end times start", but they're going to vote republican regardless. But democrats and/or independent or moderate voters? I figure that as long as Biden doesn't suggest nuking the west bank then most voters will look at the troubles there with a big "meh...".
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Do many American voters really care what the American president does regarding Israel?

Yeah the evangelicals might care because "that's where the end times start", but they're going to vote republican regardless. But democrats and/or independent or moderate voters? I figure that as long as Biden doesn't suggest nuking the west bank then most voters will look at the troubles there with a big "meh...".
Meh. "There's a fire in the gypsy village."
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Do many American voters really care what the American president does regarding Israel?

Yeah the evangelicals might care because "that's where the end times start", but they're going to vote republican regardless. But democrats and/or independent or moderate voters? I figure that as long as Biden doesn't suggest nuking the west bank then most voters will look at the troubles there with a big "meh...".
If the crisis intensifies, he can't dodge the issue for reasons of internatoan lstanding alone. He will have to do something.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Do many American voters really care what the American president does regarding Israel?

Yeah the evangelicals might care because "that's where the end times start", but they're going to vote republican regardless. But democrats and/or independent or moderate voters? I figure that as long as Biden doesn't suggest nuking the west bank then most voters will look at the troubles there with a big "meh...".
I think most sensible voters these days are beginning to see through Israel.
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How tone-deaf is Jill Biden? After watching the NCAA Women's Basketball tournament she tweeted out:



How many ways is this wrong?

1. By tradition, the champions get a trip to the White House, not the runners-up.

2. Iowa lost by 17 points, so saying that they played such a good game is inaccurate.

3. Politically it's a buffoonish mistake. Maybe she felt sorry for the Iowa players, but it comes off as demeaning to the LSU players who deserve their moment in the sun.

Lots of backlash coming from the Left, especially Blacks. It's not hard to notice that Iowa's star player is White, while LSU's Angel Reese is Black.

Reese, termed the suggestion "a joke" and later said, "We not coming. Period."

Of course, Biden's spokesperson was forced to issue a clarification the next morning (reportedly at 6:00 AM) that only LSU would be invited to the White House.
Mountain out of a molehill. She made a simple mistake about inviting both teams but I see NO racism in this at all. Not everything is about race although some people think it is. It's like in the Meredith Kercher murder case where I see people constantly claiming Guede was convicted only because he's black and Knox and Sollecito are white. This is false; he was convicted because of the overwhelming evidence. Jill Biden's remark had nothing to do with race.
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