Can the Dems retain the House Speaker??!

Norman Alexander · 2nd January 2023, 06:53 PM

The GOP seems determined to continue to shoot itself in both feet and kneecaps while it continues to field such maladroit nincompoops as Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. Here he is just today failing to get his extreme right party brethren on board to support his bid for Speaker, because, it seems, he is not fascist enough like them.

Quote:

The final hurdle to Republican Kevin McCarthy’s years-long quest to secure the speaker’s gavel grew even more formidable on Monday as a sizable group of House colleagues from his own party said they were not yet ready to support him.

The nine Republican rebels made the announcement after the California congressman made a series of concessions on Sunday to try to shore up the support of conservative hardliners ahead of Republicans assuming control of the US lower chamber on Tuesday.

McCarthy can afford to lose only four votes from his party’s slender majority if he is to win the election for speaker that will be among the first orders of business for the new Congress.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdliners-house

Here's my questions: How is the Representatives Speaker position selected? Is it a whole-of-House vote? Has it been assumed that the majority party will get their choice simply because they are the majority and they will all vote for the one candidate?

Assuming it is indeed a whole-of-House vote, what happens if the Dems field and all vote for their own candidate, and the Republicans split their votes between two internal rivals? (Pro-Kevin and anti-Kevin??) Surely if the Dem candidate has the majority of House votes, s/he is elected Speaker!

Could this happen??

Stacyhs · 2nd January 2023, 07:14 PM

It's explained here: https://www.kcra.com/article/house-s...ained/42379373

acbytesla · 2nd January 2023, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

The GOP seems determined to continue to shoot itself in both feet and kneecaps while it continues to field such maladroit nincompoops as Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. Here he is just today failing to get his extreme right party brethren on board to support his bid for Speaker, because, it seems, he is not fascist enough like them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdliners-house

Here's my questions: How is the Representatives Speaker position selected? Is it a whole-of-House vote? Has it been assumed that the majority party will get their choice simply because they are the majority and they will all vote for the one candidate?

Assuming it is indeed a whole-of-House vote, what happens if the Dems field and all vote for their own candidate, and the Republicans split their votes between two internal rivals? (Pro-Kevin and anti-Kevin??) Surely if the Dem candidate has the majority of House votes, s/he is elected Speaker!

Could this happen??

It could happen. It would be hilarious if it did.

But it won't.

ZiprHead · 2nd January 2023, 07:51 PM

McCarthy's already moving things into the Speaker's office.

This could be embarrassing.

Bob001 · 2nd January 2023, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

The GOP seems determined to continue to shoot itself in both feet and kneecaps while it continues to field such maladroit nincompoops as Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. Here he is just today failing to get his extreme right party brethren on board to support his bid for Speaker, because, it seems, he is not fascist enough like them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdliners-house

Here's my questions: How is the Representatives Speaker position selected? Is it a whole-of-House vote? Has it been assumed that the majority party will get their choice simply because they are the majority and they will all vote for the one candidate?

Assuming it is indeed a whole-of-House vote, what happens if the Dems field and all vote for their own candidate, and the Republicans split their votes between two internal rivals? (Pro-Kevin and anti-Kevin??) Surely if the Dem candidate has the majority of House votes, s/he is elected Speaker!

Could this happen??

The Speaker doesn't have to be a member. Some MAGATs have proposed electing Trump. Some Dems have proposed electing Liz Cheney. But all very unlikely.

Brainster · 3rd January 2023, 12:33 AM

No. They will find a way, and Democrats won't like it, because it means kowtowing (if that's not a forbidden word these days) to guys like Andy Biggs.

Stacyhs · 3rd January 2023, 12:50 AM

Those opposing McCarthy are even more extreme than he is.
This would include Andy Biggs , Matt Gaetz , and Paul Gosar all of whom are devout Trump anal spelunkers. If not McCarthy, then who? That could be an even worse nightmare, though hard to imagine.

Norman Alexander · 3rd January 2023, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It's explained here: https://www.kcra.com/article/house-s...ained/42379373

So the crucial point is that the successful candidate has to attain a majority of the votes of those members who actually cast a vote. So members registering as "present" but not voting for a candidate can actually reduce the number of votes required to attain that majority.

So can someone please do the sums: Assuming all the Democrats vote for their candidate, how many Republicans have to register "present" in order for the Dem candidate to have a majority?

The Don · 3rd January 2023, 03:25 AM

IMO the the "rebel" Republicans will swing smoothly back into line when push comes to shove and will "happily" deal with the concessions that McCarthy has made to the extreme right wing.

lionking · 3rd January 2023, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

IMO the the "rebel" Republicans will swing smoothly back into line when push comes to shove and will "happily" deal with the concessions that McCarthy has made to the extreme right wing.

One thing about US politics in the last decade is that nothing is predictable. Yes, this would be the logical response in years past, but who knows now?

shemp · 3rd January 2023, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

So the crucial point is that the successful candidate has to attain a majority of the votes of those members who actually cast a vote. So members registering as "present" but not voting for a candidate can actually reduce the number of votes required to attain that majority.

So can someone please do the sums: Assuming all the Democrats vote for their candidate, how many Republicans have to register "present" in order for the Dem candidate to have a majority?

10. It won't happen.

Donal · 3rd January 2023, 07:13 AM

The "rebel" faction has already given McCarthy their list of demands. Mostly conspiracy-twinged stuff like investigating the "overreaction" to COVID and how much money Joe Biden gets from China. Stuff that was probably already going to be investigated and the hearing prime time on FOX, but McCarthy didn't want to start banging those drums yet. The big sticking point is they want to have another election for Speaker in a year. He'll "give" them a few things on the list, avoid the ...quarter-term(?)...election, everybody will claim victory, and McCarthy wins the election.

And will promptly resign within a year.

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 07:30 AM

McCarthy losing the Speakership would be hilarious, and appropriate given how that little **** has covered for Trump, but so unlikely.

BobTheCoward · 3rd January 2023, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

The "rebel" faction has already given McCarthy their list of demands. Mostly conspiracy-twinged stuff like investigating the "overreaction" to COVID and how much money Joe Biden gets from China. Stuff that was probably already going to be investigated and the hearing prime time on FOX, but McCarthy didn't want to start banging those drums yet. The big sticking point is they want to have another election for Speaker in a year. He'll "give" them a few things on the list, avoid the ...quarter-term(?)...election, everybody will claim victory, and McCarthy wins the election.

And will promptly resign within a year.

They want to have public hearings looking at the COVID response during the Trump admin? No wonder McConnell hates these people

varwoche · 3rd January 2023, 07:45 AM

While this is in flux, I suppose there's no Speaker in the line of succession. Or is Pelosi still in line?

Tero · 3rd January 2023, 07:51 AM

Poor Kevin. Meme created by me minutes ago. Not from Twitter.

Beelzebuddy · 3rd January 2023, 07:58 AM

Inb4 a couple of Democrats vote to carry him across the river because he promises not to sting this time.

Trebuchet · 3rd January 2023, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It's explained here: https://www.kcra.com/article/house-s...ained/42379373

Thanks for that, been wondering, though too lazy to look.
A Dem winning the speakership is a lovely fantasy, but only a fantasy.

Tero · 3rd January 2023, 11:26 AM

NOW: Rep. Kevin McCarthy appears to fall short of House speakership. The speaker vote is poised to go to a second ballot for the first time in 100 years as GOP members reject McCarthy's bid.
CNN

Hercules56 · 3rd January 2023, 11:28 AM

What does McCarthy need to do to win?

Hercules56 · 3rd January 2023, 11:29 AM

Make Trump the House Speaker.

Hercules56 · 3rd January 2023, 11:45 AM

The Democrat leader just won more votes than McCarthy. 9 more! LOL!!!!

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Tero

NOW: Rep. Kevin McCarthy appears to fall short of House speakership. The speaker vote is poised to go to a second ballot for the first time in 100 years as GOP members reject McCarthy's bid.
CNN

Oh, that made me laugh. I still think he'll get it in the end, but he's reaping what he sowed

GlennB · 3rd January 2023, 12:04 PM

How is this resolved? Endless votes until the renegade Reps cave in through sheer weariness?

The Don · 3rd January 2023, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

How is this resolved? Endless votes until the renegade Reps cave in through sheer weariness?

Or endless concessions until they are placated.

Especially prime committee appointments

CORed · 3rd January 2023, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

The GOP seems determined to continue to shoot itself in both feet and kneecaps while it continues to field such maladroit nincompoops as Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. Here he is just today failing to get his extreme right party brethren on board to support his bid for Speaker, because, it seems, he is not fascist enough like them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdliners-house

Here's my questions: How is the Representatives Speaker position selected? Is it a whole-of-House vote? Has it been assumed that the majority party will get their choice simply because they are the majority and they will all vote for the one candidate?

Assuming it is indeed a whole-of-House vote, what happens if the Dems field and all vote for their own candidate, and the Republicans split their votes between two internal rivals? (Pro-Kevin and anti-Kevin??) Surely if the Dem candidate has the majority of House votes, s/he is elected Speaker!

Could this happen??

Possible but unlikely, as a majority of votes cast is required, so at least a few House Republicans would have to vote for a Democrat, or abstain for that to happen. But it does seem likely that McCarthy's selection will be contested.

ETA: Is being contested. I think the HOR is going to be a complete clown show for the next two years.

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 12:23 PM

I may have missed it if someone has already said. What happens if no one can get a majority of the votes?

eta: oh, lord. Gaetz just nom'd Jim Jordan who just finished nom'ing McCarthy. The GQP circus is in full swing.

Donal · 3rd January 2023, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I still think he'll get it in the end

Looks like he already is

Donal · 3rd January 2023, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

I think the HOR is going to be a complete clown show for the next two years.

You didn't need this particular **** show to see that

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

How is this resolved? Endless votes until the renegade Reps cave in through sheer weariness?

Pretty much. The House cannot do any other business until a speaker is elected. So they will vote and vote and vote until a single candidate has a majority.

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

Looks like he already is

My feed must be behind. Did he win the second round?

Mike! · 3rd January 2023, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

My feed must be behind. Did he win the second round?

No, he's now losing votes to Jordan.

crescent · 3rd January 2023, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Pretty much. The House cannot do any other business until a speaker is elected. So they will vote and vote and vote until a single candidate has a majority.

Republicans run a platform based on the concept that the government is the problem.

Then when they get a chance to run things, they make that concept into reality.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

Possible but unlikely, as a majority of votes cast is required, so at least a few House Republicans would have to vote for a Democrat, or abstain for that to happen. But it does seem likely that McCarthy's selection will be contested.

ETA: Is being contested. I think the HOR is going to be a complete clown show for the next two years.

Almost, but not quite. If a Republican votes "present" or misses a ballot they effectively make the House smaller. So instead of needing 218 votes for a majority, 210 votes might create a majority.

This will be interesting as it is possible for that the Democrats might be the key to electing a Speaker. Electing a speaker might God Forbid, might require working a deal with the Democrats to resolve the election.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

Republicans run a platform based on the concept that the government is the problem.

Then when they get a chance to run things, they make that concept into reality.

As a political junkie, I find this to be very interesting.

lobosrul5 · 3rd January 2023, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Almost, but not quite. If a Republican votes "present" or misses a ballot they effectively make the House smaller. So instead of needing 218 votes for a majority, 210 votes might create a majority.

This will be interesting as it is possible for that the Democrats might be the key to electing a Speaker. Electing a speaker might God Forbid, working a deal with the Democrats to resolve the election.

True, but McCarthy cannot win if he doesn't even get the most votes*. He was 9 votes behind Jeffries on the 1st ballot. Apparently he also lost the 2nd.. but I can't find the details.

*so if its only GoP people that are voting "present" he cannot win methinks.

GlennB · 3rd January 2023, 12:57 PM

From The Guardian:

"Older fights over the speakership dragged on even longer, such as the 1855 deadlock that ended with the election of Rep. Nathaniel Banks as speaker. It took 133 ballots. “This will not take that [long],” former House speaker Newt Gingrich told The Early last month."

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 01:01 PM

CNN is doing a live count. I think he's already lost enough votes (15) to Jordan to win the second round.

lobosrul5 · 3rd January 2023, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

CNN is doing a live count. I think he's already lost enough votes (15) to Jordan to win the second round.

He's going to have even fewer votes this round

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

He's going to have even fewer votes this round

Jeffries keeps tying McCarthy and even pulling ahead by a vote or two before McCarthy comes back. It is hilarious.

2nd January 2023, 06:53 PM	#1
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Can the Dems retain the House Speaker??! The GOP seems determined to continue to shoot itself in both feet and kneecaps while it continues to field such maladroit nincompoops as Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. Here he is just today failing to get his extreme right party brethren on board to support his bid for Speaker, because, it seems, he is not fascist enough like them. Quote: The final hurdle to Republican Kevin McCarthy’s years-long quest to secure the speaker’s gavel grew even more formidable on Monday as a sizable group of House colleagues from his own party said they were not yet ready to support him. The nine Republican rebels made the announcement after the California congressman made a series of concessions on Sunday to try to shore up the support of conservative hardliners ahead of Republicans assuming control of the US lower chamber on Tuesday. McCarthy can afford to lose only four votes from his party’s slender majority if he is to win the election for speaker that will be among the first orders of business for the new Congress. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdliners-house Here's my questions: How is the Representatives Speaker position selected? Is it a whole-of-House vote? Has it been assumed that the majority party will get their choice simply because they are the majority and they will all vote for the one candidate? Assuming it is indeed a whole-of-House vote, what happens if the Dems field and all vote for their own candidate, and the Republicans split their votes between two internal rivals? (Pro-Kevin and anti-Kevin??) Surely if the Dem candidate has the majority of House votes, s/he is elected Speaker! Could this happen??
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2nd January 2023, 07:49 PM	#3
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,385	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander The GOP seems determined to continue to shoot itself in both feet and kneecaps while it continues to field such maladroit nincompoops as Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. Here he is just today failing to get his extreme right party brethren on board to support his bid for Speaker, because, it seems, he is not fascist enough like them. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdliners-house Here's my questions: How is the Representatives Speaker position selected? Is it a whole-of-House vote? Has it been assumed that the majority party will get their choice simply because they are the majority and they will all vote for the one candidate? Assuming it is indeed a whole-of-House vote, what happens if the Dems field and all vote for their own candidate, and the Republicans split their votes between two internal rivals? (Pro-Kevin and anti-Kevin??) Surely if the Dem candidate has the majority of House votes, s/he is elected Speaker! Could this happen?? It could happen. It would be hilarious if it did. But it won't.
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2nd January 2023, 07:51 PM	#4
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3rd January 2023, 12:33 AM	#6
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3rd January 2023, 12:52 AM	#8
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It's explained here: https://www.kcra.com/article/house-s...ained/42379373 So the crucial point is that the successful candidate has to attain a majority of the votes of those members who actually cast a vote. So members registering as "present" but not voting for a candidate can actually reduce the number of votes required to attain that majority. So can someone please do the sums: Assuming all the Democrats vote for their candidate, how many Republicans have to register "present" in order for the Dem candidate to have a majority?
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2nd January 2023, 07:14 PM	#2
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,332	It's explained here: https://www.kcra.com/article/house-s...ained/42379373

2nd January 2023, 08:44 PM	#5
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,554	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander The GOP seems determined to continue to shoot itself in both feet and kneecaps while it continues to field such maladroit nincompoops as Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. Here he is just today failing to get his extreme right party brethren on board to support his bid for Speaker, because, it seems, he is not fascist enough like them. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdliners-house Here's my questions: How is the Representatives Speaker position selected? Is it a whole-of-House vote? Has it been assumed that the majority party will get their choice simply because they are the majority and they will all vote for the one candidate? Assuming it is indeed a whole-of-House vote, what happens if the Dems field and all vote for their own candidate, and the Republicans split their votes between two internal rivals? (Pro-Kevin and anti-Kevin??) Surely if the Dem candidate has the majority of House votes, s/he is elected Speaker! Could this happen?? The Speaker doesn't have to be a member. Some MAGATs have proposed electing Trump. Some Dems have proposed electing Liz Cheney. But all very unlikely.

3rd January 2023, 12:50 AM	#7
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,332	Those opposing McCarthy are even more extreme than he is. This would include Andy Biggs , Matt Gaetz , and Paul Gosar all of whom are devout Trump anal spelunkers. If not McCarthy, then who? That could be an even worse nightmare, though hard to imagine.

3rd January 2023, 03:25 AM	#9
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,323	IMO the the "rebel" Republicans will swing smoothly back into line when push comes to shove and will "happily" deal with the concessions that McCarthy has made to the extreme right wing.

3rd January 2023, 03:32 AM	#10
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 52,854	Originally Posted by The Don IMO the the "rebel" Republicans will swing smoothly back into line when push comes to shove and will "happily" deal with the concessions that McCarthy has made to the extreme right wing. One thing about US politics in the last decade is that nothing is predictable. Yes, this would be the logical response in years past, but who knows now?
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3rd January 2023, 06:27 AM	#11
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,736	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander So the crucial point is that the successful candidate has to attain a majority of the votes of those members who actually cast a vote. So members registering as "present" but not voting for a candidate can actually reduce the number of votes required to attain that majority. So can someone please do the sums: Assuming all the Democrats vote for their candidate, how many Republicans have to register "present" in order for the Dem candidate to have a majority? 10. It won't happen.
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3rd January 2023, 07:13 AM	#12
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,285	The "rebel" faction has already given McCarthy their list of demands. Mostly conspiracy-twinged stuff like investigating the "overreaction" to COVID and how much money Joe Biden gets from China. Stuff that was probably already going to be investigated and the hearing prime time on FOX, but McCarthy didn't want to start banging those drums yet. The big sticking point is they want to have another election for Speaker in a year. He'll "give" them a few things on the list, avoid the ...quarter-term(?)...election, everybody will claim victory, and McCarthy wins the election. And will promptly resign within a year.
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3rd January 2023, 07:30 AM	#13
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3rd January 2023, 07:31 AM	#14
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Donal The "rebel" faction has already given McCarthy their list of demands. Mostly conspiracy-twinged stuff like investigating the "overreaction" to COVID and how much money Joe Biden gets from China. Stuff that was probably already going to be investigated and the hearing prime time on FOX, but McCarthy didn't want to start banging those drums yet. The big sticking point is they want to have another election for Speaker in a year. He'll "give" them a few things on the list, avoid the ...quarter-term(?)...election, everybody will claim victory, and McCarthy wins the election. And will promptly resign within a year. They want to have public hearings looking at the COVID response during the Trump admin? No wonder McConnell hates these people
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3rd January 2023, 07:45 AM	#15
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 16,471	While this is in flux, I suppose there's no Speaker in the line of succession. Or is Pelosi still in line?
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3rd January 2023, 07:58 AM	#17
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,320	Inb4 a couple of Democrats vote to carry him across the river because he promises not to sting this time.
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3rd January 2023, 09:42 AM	#18
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,974	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It's explained here: https://www.kcra.com/article/house-s...ained/42379373 Thanks for that, been wondering, though too lazy to look. A Dem winning the speakership is a lovely fantasy, but only a fantasy.
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3rd January 2023, 11:26 AM	#19
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,001	NOW: Rep. Kevin McCarthy appears to fall short of House speakership. The speaker vote is poised to go to a second ballot for the first time in 100 years as GOP members reject McCarthy's bid. CNN
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3rd January 2023, 11:28 AM	#20
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,226	What does McCarthy need to do to win?
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3rd January 2023, 11:29 AM	#21
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,226	Make Trump the House Speaker.
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3rd January 2023, 11:45 AM	#22
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,226	The Democrat leader just won more votes than McCarthy. 9 more! LOL!!!!
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3rd January 2023, 11:52 AM	#23
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,589	Originally Posted by Tero NOW: Rep. Kevin McCarthy appears to fall short of House speakership. The speaker vote is poised to go to a second ballot for the first time in 100 years as GOP members reject McCarthy's bid. CNN Oh, that made me laugh. I still think he'll get it in the end, but he's reaping what he sowed
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3rd January 2023, 12:04 PM	#24
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 29,281	How is this resolved? Endless votes until the renegade Reps cave in through sheer weariness?

3rd January 2023, 12:07 PM	#25
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,323	Originally Posted by GlennB How is this resolved? Endless votes until the renegade Reps cave in through sheer weariness? Or endless concessions until they are placated. Especially prime committee appointments

3rd January 2023, 12:11 PM	#26
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,564	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander The GOP seems determined to continue to shoot itself in both feet and kneecaps while it continues to field such maladroit nincompoops as Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. Here he is just today failing to get his extreme right party brethren on board to support his bid for Speaker, because, it seems, he is not fascist enough like them. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdliners-house Here's my questions: How is the Representatives Speaker position selected? Is it a whole-of-House vote? Has it been assumed that the majority party will get their choice simply because they are the majority and they will all vote for the one candidate? Assuming it is indeed a whole-of-House vote, what happens if the Dems field and all vote for their own candidate, and the Republicans split their votes between two internal rivals? (Pro-Kevin and anti-Kevin??) Surely if the Dem candidate has the majority of House votes, s/he is elected Speaker! Could this happen?? Possible but unlikely, as a majority of votes cast is required, so at least a few House Republicans would have to vote for a Democrat, or abstain for that to happen. But it does seem likely that McCarthy's selection will be contested. ETA: Is being contested. I think the HOR is going to be a complete clown show for the next two years.
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3rd January 2023, 12:23 PM	#27
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,589	I may have missed it if someone has already said. What happens if no one can get a majority of the votes? eta: oh, lord. Gaetz just nom'd Jim Jordan who just finished nom'ing McCarthy. The GQP circus is in full swing.
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3rd January 2023, 12:28 PM	#28
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,285	Originally Posted by Upchurch I still think he'll get it in the end Looks like he already is
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3rd January 2023, 12:30 PM	#29
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,285	Originally Posted by CORed I think the HOR is going to be a complete clown show for the next two years. You didn't need this particular **** show to see that
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3rd January 2023, 12:31 PM	#30
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,385	Originally Posted by GlennB How is this resolved? Endless votes until the renegade Reps cave in through sheer weariness? Pretty much. The House cannot do any other business until a speaker is elected. So they will vote and vote and vote until a single candidate has a majority.
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3rd January 2023, 12:33 PM	#31
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,589	Originally Posted by Donal Looks like he already is My feed must be behind. Did he win the second round?
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3rd January 2023, 12:34 PM	#32
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 49,362	Originally Posted by Upchurch My feed must be behind. Did he win the second round? No, he's now losing votes to Jordan.
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3rd January 2023, 12:36 PM	#33
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,315	Originally Posted by acbytesla Pretty much. The House cannot do any other business until a speaker is elected. So they will vote and vote and vote until a single candidate has a majority. Republicans run a platform based on the concept that the government is the problem. Then when they get a chance to run things, they make that concept into reality.

3rd January 2023, 12:50 PM	#34
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,385	Originally Posted by CORed Possible but unlikely, as a majority of votes cast is required, so at least a few House Republicans would have to vote for a Democrat, or abstain for that to happen. But it does seem likely that McCarthy's selection will be contested. ETA: Is being contested. I think the HOR is going to be a complete clown show for the next two years. Almost, but not quite. If a Republican votes "present" or misses a ballot they effectively make the House smaller. So instead of needing 218 votes for a majority, 210 votes might create a majority. This will be interesting as it is possible for that the Democrats might be the key to electing a Speaker. Electing a speaker might God Forbid, might require working a deal with the Democrats to resolve the election.
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3rd January 2023, 12:52 PM	#35
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,385	Originally Posted by crescent Republicans run a platform based on the concept that the government is the problem. Then when they get a chance to run things, they make that concept into reality. As a political junkie, I find this to be very interesting.
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3rd January 2023, 12:56 PM	#36
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,419	Originally Posted by acbytesla Almost, but not quite. If a Republican votes "present" or misses a ballot they effectively make the House smaller. So instead of needing 218 votes for a majority, 210 votes might create a majority. This will be interesting as it is possible for that the Democrats might be the key to electing a Speaker. Electing a speaker might God Forbid, working a deal with the Democrats to resolve the election. True, but McCarthy cannot win if he doesn't even get the most votes. He was 9 votes behind Jeffries on the 1st ballot. Apparently he also lost the 2nd.. but I can't find the details. so if its only GoP people that are voting "present" he cannot win methinks.
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