Can the Dems retain the House Speaker??! - Page 2

Checkmite · 3rd January 2023, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

No, he's now losing votes to Jordan.

The progression of this was almost amusing. Jordan got a handful of votes in the first ballot, and then gave a rather emphatic speech in the interim exhorting his fellow Republicans to rally behind McCarthy. And oddly in the second round this resulted in more votes...for Jordan.

I say almost amusing because this is actually a nightmare in slow motion.

sackett · 3rd January 2023, 01:17 PM

Hey, relax. Any and all republican'ts who don't win can cry fraud.

F'rinstance: Who actually hired that clerk? Was he vetted? How bout his wife? I wanna see his laptop. His DNA. Take back the steal!

Norman Alexander · 3rd January 2023, 01:29 PM

And he's lost the second vote now.

Can I collect my million if Jefferies gets the nod?

Hercules56 · 3rd January 2023, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

And he's lost the second vote now.

Can I collect my million if Jefferies gets the nod?

Interesting times we live in. I hear Scalise is next in line.

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Interesting times we live in. I hear Scalise is next in line.

You'd have to get all those "only Kevin" and "never Keven" Republicans to agree.

crescent · 3rd January 2023, 01:37 PM

Maybe George Santos can declare himself to be the winner.

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

McCarthy losing the Speakership would be hilarious, and appropriate given how that little **** has covered for Trump, but so unlikely.

I now regret my previous statement. I have no idea how this ends with McCarthy wining. It would require right-wing nutjobs agreeing that maybe things would just be better if they went along with the crowd and there is no way right-wing nutjobs are going to do that.

pgwenthold · 3rd January 2023, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

Maybe George Santos can declare himself to be the winner.

He's already got "Speaker of the House" on his resume. It was just an embellishment. But if you ask him about it, he will clarify that he is just "Speaker-ish"

crescent · 3rd January 2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I now regret my previous statement. I have no idea how this ends with McCarthy wining. It would require right-wing nutjobs agreeing that maybe things would just be better if they went along with the crowd and there is no way right-wing nutjobs are going to do that.

You've got it backwards. The "crowd" in question has a history of going along with the right-wing nutjobs.

And I'm guessing that they're about to do it again.

shemp · 3rd January 2023, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

The progression of this was almost amusing. Jordan got a handful of votes in the first ballot, and then gave a rather emphatic speech in the interim exhorting his fellow Republicans to rally behind McCarthy. And oddly in the second round this resulted in more votes...for Jordan.

I say almost amusing because this is actually a nightmare in slow motion.

More like a **** show in slow motion. The vote is slow and tedious, but it makes good television. If this goes past 9 ballots, I'll throw my hat in the ring!

crescent · 3rd January 2023, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

He's already got "Speaker of the House" on his resume. It was just an embellishment. But if you ask him about it, he will clarify that he is just "Speaker-ish"

I thought I heard Santos say that he was Speaker during Nixon's third term?

Norman Alexander · 3rd January 2023, 01:52 PM

Based on Shemp's arithmetic, get 10 of the nutjobs to not vote and the humiliation would be complete.

lobosrul5 · 3rd January 2023, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Based on Shemp's arithmetic, get 10 of the nutjobs to not vote and the humiliation would be complete.

While that would be hilarious, I don't think 10 of those nutjobs are quite that dumb... but I would sure enjoy it if I was to be wrong.

Norman Alexander · 3rd January 2023, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

While that would be hilarious, I don't think 10 of those nutjobs are quite that dumb... but I would sure enjoy it if I was to be wrong.

Absolutely hilarious. The record number of ballots is 133, back in the early 1800's. Even more hilarity if 8t goes that sort of distance.

More likely the GQP second choice will get it.

shemp · 3rd January 2023, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

More like a **** show in slow motion. The vote is slow and tedious, but it makes good television. If this goes past 9 ballots, I'll throw my hat in the ring!

On CNN, Jonah Goldberg of The Dispatch called it a "fecal festival"!

Hercules56 · 3rd January 2023, 02:36 PM

Is there any moderate Republican that 18 Democrats could vote for?

PitPat · 3rd January 2023, 02:40 PM

Now taking wagers for how many rounds this will go. 2-1 on more than the record of nine. 4-1 into February. I will accept your bets on PayPal and distribute them accordingly at the end.

Seriously, what a **** show. Hope all the reps have their NoDoz handy.

Gulliver Foyle · 3rd January 2023, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Is there any moderate Republican that 18 Democrats could vote for?

No. The only time a Democrat should vote for an R is to permanently disbar them from any office.

Tero · 3rd January 2023, 02:44 PM

To get the remaining 19 he must agree to impeach Biden next week. And cancel Fauci's pension.

Donal · 3rd January 2023, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

To get the remaining 19 he must agree to impeach Hunter Biden next week. And cancel Fauci's pension.

FTFY. I figured it needed a little clarification

lobosrul5 · 3rd January 2023, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

No. The only time a Democrat should vote for an R is to permanently disbar them from any office.

I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn.

Liz Cheney as speaker would be kinda hilarious.

ETA: and no, the speaker does not have to be a current member of congress.

Upchurch · 3rd January 2023, 03:05 PM

20. After the third round of voting, 20 Republicans voted for Jordan rather than McCarthy.

I mean, part of me still finds it hilarious, but this is really getting ...sad.

Gulliver Foyle · 3rd January 2023, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

20. After the third round of voting, 20 Republicans voted for Jordan rather than McCarthy.

I mean, part of me still finds it hilarious, but this is really getting ...sad.

As the tories found out over the last couple of years, a party uninterested in governing quickly becomes ungovernable.

Segnosaur · 3rd January 2023, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn.

As opposed to making McCarthy the speaker, him giving in to the extremists and "freedom caucus", and the next time a spending or borrowing bill comes up, it gets rejected by the republicans (gotta keep those right wingers happy), causing the economy to crash anyways.

lobosrul5 · 3rd January 2023, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

As opposed to making McCarthy the speaker, him giving in to the extremists and "freedom caucus", and the next time a spending or borrowing bill comes up, it gets rejected by the republicans (gotta keep those right wingers happy), causing the economy to crash anyways.

I think I need to change out my T-bills for... Jesus I dunno what do they issue in Europe

ETA: or like I said, a Liz Cheney as speaker. Now then, if the dems go along, can they find 10 or so reasonably minded Republicans... are there 10 of them?

PitPat · 3rd January 2023, 03:29 PM

Adjourned for the day. Why do I have a feeling this will be resolved with closed-door arm-wrestling contests?

Segnosaur · 3rd January 2023, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I think I need to change out my T-bills for... Jesus I dunno what do they issue in Europe

Here in Canada we use beaver pelts and maple syrup futures.

Trebuchet · 3rd January 2023, 03:42 PM

As of this moment, in the absence of a speaker, second in line of succession to the Presidency is one of my US Senators, Patty Murray.

The Don · 3rd January 2023, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn.

Liz Cheney as speaker would be kinda hilarious.

ETA: and no, the speaker does not have to be a current member of congress.

Liz Cheney wouldn't get enough support from the Republicans because she dared to take part in the Jan 6 witch hunt.

crescent · 3rd January 2023, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn.

Liz Cheney as speaker would be kinda hilarious.

ETA: and no, the speaker does not have to be a current member of congress.

Have the R's offered any compromises to the Dems?

Norman Alexander · 3rd January 2023, 04:11 PM

Gawd....

Just give it to Jefferies and everyone wins.

lobosrul5 · 3rd January 2023, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

Have the R's offered any compromises to the Dems?

So, reading this:

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2023

It looks like we've got a full year for the GoP to play silly games and do absolutely nothing before the **** really hits the fan. If it gets to December and the GoP STILL hasn't selected a speaker then it would be time for the Dems to compromise.

Expecting the currently divided Congress in this era of absolute refusal to compromise... well the compromise would be the GoP showing the American people how petty and silly they are. It'd be a huge win by the Dems to show they won't play politics over a looming shutdown and default by working with as few as 4 Republicans.

Random · 3rd January 2023, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

So, reading this:

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2023

It looks like we've got a full year for the GoP to play silly games and do absolutely nothing before the **** really hits the fan. If it gets to December and the GoP STILL hasn't selected a speaker then it would be time for the Dems to compromise.

Expecting the currently divided Congress in this era of absolute refusal to compromise... well the compromise would be the GoP showing the American people how petty and silly they are. It'd be a huge win by the Dems to show they won't play politics over a looming shutdown and default by working with as few as 4 Republicans.

It won't come to that. The first thing that the House does when it gathers is select the Speaker of the House. And I mean first thing. Nothing else happens until that happens. No committee assignments, no swearing in of Representatives, no ridiculous show trials of investigation/smears, and certainly nothing as sexy as an Impeachment.

Just vote after vote after vote for Speaker of the House. Even the MAGA caucus knows that is terrible television...

Doubt · 3rd January 2023, 04:51 PM

I have a "bingo card" of unlikely events I have been updating every month around the election. One I added for January was that the Democrats help elect McCarthy to the speaker's chair.

If it comes down to say, Jordan or McCarthy, this could happen. Probably won't. But at some point they all need to get on with the business at hand. It would also make McCarthy an even weaker Speaker than if the republicans get their act together.

Trebuchet · 3rd January 2023, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Random

It won't come to that. The first thing that the House does when it gathers is select the Speaker of the House. And I mean first thing. Nothing else happens until that happens. No committee assignments, no swearing in of Representatives, no ridiculous show trials of investigation/smears, and certainly nothing as sexy as an Impeachment.

Just vote after vote after vote for Speaker of the House. Even the MAGA caucus knows that is terrible television...

But weirdly, the non-sworn in members-elect apparently get to vote on the speaker.
They should all just vote for me. I promise to show up and wield the gavel every day, unless I don't feel like it.
The longer this goes on, the better I'll like it. Especially if Trump decides to get involved. A lot of Republicans aren't going to get much sleep tonight.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 05:14 PM

I was surprised they were allowed to adjourn. I thought they couldn't even do that?

Norman Alexander · 3rd January 2023, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Random

It won't come to that. The first thing that the House does when it gathers is select the Speaker of the House. And I mean first thing. Nothing else happens until that happens. No committee assignments, no swearing in of Representatives, no ridiculous show trials of investigation/smears, and certainly nothing as sexy as an Impeachment.

Just vote after vote after vote for Speaker of the House. Even the MAGA caucus knows that is terrible television...

No, they don't.

Silly Green Monkey · 3rd January 2023, 06:10 PM

Sounds like I'm hearing that if the Repubs can drag this Speaker thing out long enough, they can keep getting paid for doing nothing?

TheGoldcountry · 3rd January 2023, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Sounds like I'm hearing that if the Repubs can drag this Speaker thing out long enough, they can keep getting paid for doing nothing?

How can we really tell the difference?

lobosrul5 · 3rd January 2023, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Sounds like I'm hearing that if the Repubs can drag this Speaker thing out long enough, they can keep getting paid for doing nothing?

Sure, but most of them would rather get paid to have Fauci and Biden show trials.

3rd January 2023, 01:13 PM	#41
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 28,079	Originally Posted by Mike! No, he's now losing votes to Jordan. The progression of this was almost amusing. Jordan got a handful of votes in the first ballot, and then gave a rather emphatic speech in the interim exhorting his fellow Republicans to rally behind McCarthy. And oddly in the second round this resulted in more votes...for Jordan. I say almost amusing because this is actually a nightmare in slow motion.
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3rd January 2023, 01:17 PM	#42
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3rd January 2023, 01:29 PM	#43
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3rd January 2023, 01:30 PM	#44
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,226	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander And he's lost the second vote now. Can I collect my million if Jefferies gets the nod? Interesting times we live in. I hear Scalise is next in line.
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3rd January 2023, 01:36 PM	#45
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,589	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Interesting times we live in. I hear Scalise is next in line. You'd have to get all those "only Kevin" and "never Keven" Republicans to agree.
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3rd January 2023, 01:37 PM	#46
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,315	Maybe George Santos can declare himself to be the winner.

3rd January 2023, 01:38 PM	#47
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,589	Originally Posted by Upchurch McCarthy losing the Speakership would be hilarious, and appropriate given how that little **** has covered for Trump, but so unlikely. I now regret my previous statement. I have no idea how this ends with McCarthy wining. It would require right-wing nutjobs agreeing that maybe things would just be better if they went along with the crowd and there is no way right-wing nutjobs are going to do that.
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3rd January 2023, 01:39 PM	#48
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 21,026	Originally Posted by crescent Maybe George Santos can declare himself to be the winner. He's already got "Speaker of the House" on his resume. It was just an embellishment. But if you ask him about it, he will clarify that he is just "Speaker-ish"
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3rd January 2023, 01:42 PM	#49
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,315	Originally Posted by Upchurch I now regret my previous statement. I have no idea how this ends with McCarthy wining. It would require right-wing nutjobs agreeing that maybe things would just be better if they went along with the crowd and there is no way right-wing nutjobs are going to do that. You've got it backwards. The "crowd" in question has a history of going along with the right-wing nutjobs. And I'm guessing that they're about to do it again.

3rd January 2023, 01:46 PM	#50
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,736	Originally Posted by Checkmite The progression of this was almost amusing. Jordan got a handful of votes in the first ballot, and then gave a rather emphatic speech in the interim exhorting his fellow Republicans to rally behind McCarthy. And oddly in the second round this resulted in more votes...for Jordan. I say almost amusing because this is actually a nightmare in slow motion. More like a **** show in slow motion. The vote is slow and tedious, but it makes good television. If this goes past 9 ballots, I'll throw my hat in the ring!
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3rd January 2023, 01:51 PM	#51
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,315	Originally Posted by pgwenthold He's already got "Speaker of the House" on his resume. It was just an embellishment. But if you ask him about it, he will clarify that he is just "Speaker-ish" I thought I heard Santos say that he was Speaker during Nixon's third term?

3rd January 2023, 01:52 PM	#52
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Based on Shemp's arithmetic, get 10 of the nutjobs to not vote and the humiliation would be complete.
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3rd January 2023, 02:09 PM	#53
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,419	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Based on Shemp's arithmetic, get 10 of the nutjobs to not vote and the humiliation would be complete. While that would be hilarious, I don't think 10 of those nutjobs are quite that dumb... but I would sure enjoy it if I was to be wrong.
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3rd January 2023, 02:17 PM	#54
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 While that would be hilarious, I don't think 10 of those nutjobs are quite that dumb... but I would sure enjoy it if I was to be wrong. Absolutely hilarious. The record number of ballots is 133, back in the early 1800's. Even more hilarity if 8t goes that sort of distance. More likely the GQP second choice will get it.
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3rd January 2023, 02:26 PM	#55
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,736	Originally Posted by shemp More like a **** show in slow motion. The vote is slow and tedious, but it makes good television. If this goes past 9 ballots, I'll throw my hat in the ring! On CNN, Jonah Goldberg of The Dispatch called it a "fecal festival"!
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3rd January 2023, 02:36 PM	#56
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,226	Is there any moderate Republican that 18 Democrats could vote for?
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3rd January 2023, 02:40 PM	#57
PitPat Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,746	Now taking wagers for how many rounds this will go. 2-1 on more than the record of nine. 4-1 into February. I will accept your bets on PayPal and distribute them accordingly at the end. Seriously, what a **** show. Hope all the reps have their NoDoz handy.

3rd January 2023, 02:43 PM	#58
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,278	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Is there any moderate Republican that 18 Democrats could vote for? No. The only time a Democrat should vote for an R is to permanently disbar them from any office.

3rd January 2023, 02:44 PM	#59
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3rd January 2023, 02:56 PM	#60
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,285	Originally Posted by Tero To get the remaining 19 he must agree to impeach Hunter Biden next week. And cancel Fauci's pension. FTFY. I figured it needed a little clarification
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3rd January 2023, 03:02 PM	#61
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,419	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle No. The only time a Democrat should vote for an R is to permanently disbar them from any office. I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn. Liz Cheney as speaker would be kinda hilarious. ETA: and no, the speaker does not have to be a current member of congress.
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3rd January 2023, 03:05 PM	#62
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,589	20. After the third round of voting, 20 Republicans voted for Jordan rather than McCarthy. I mean, part of me still finds it hilarious, but this is really getting ...sad.
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3rd January 2023, 03:19 PM	#63
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,278	Originally Posted by Upchurch 20. After the third round of voting, 20 Republicans voted for Jordan rather than McCarthy. I mean, part of me still finds it hilarious, but this is really getting ...sad. As the tories found out over the last couple of years, a party uninterested in governing quickly becomes ungovernable.

3rd January 2023, 03:26 PM	#64
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,656	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn. As opposed to making McCarthy the speaker, him giving in to the extremists and "freedom caucus", and the next time a spending or borrowing bill comes up, it gets rejected by the republicans (gotta keep those right wingers happy), causing the economy to crash anyways.
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3rd January 2023, 03:27 PM	#65
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,419	Originally Posted by Segnosaur As opposed to making McCarthy the speaker, him giving in to the extremists and "freedom caucus", and the next time a spending or borrowing bill comes up, it gets rejected by the republicans (gotta keep those right wingers happy), causing the economy to crash anyways. I think I need to change out my T-bills for... Jesus I dunno what do they issue in Europe ETA: or like I said, a Liz Cheney as speaker. Now then, if the dems go along, can they find 10 or so reasonably minded Republicans... are there 10 of them?
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3rd January 2023, 03:29 PM	#66
PitPat Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,746	Adjourned for the day. Why do I have a feeling this will be resolved with closed-door arm-wrestling contests?

3rd January 2023, 03:33 PM	#67
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,656	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 I think I need to change out my T-bills for... Jesus I dunno what do they issue in Europe Here in Canada we use beaver pelts and maple syrup futures.
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3rd January 2023, 03:42 PM	#68
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,974	As of this moment, in the absence of a speaker, second in line of succession to the Presidency is one of my US Senators, Patty Murray.
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3rd January 2023, 03:43 PM	#69
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,323	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn. Liz Cheney as speaker would be kinda hilarious. ETA: and no, the speaker does not have to be a current member of congress. Liz Cheney wouldn't get enough support from the Republicans because she dared to take part in the Jan 6 witch hunt.

3rd January 2023, 03:52 PM	#70
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,315	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn. Liz Cheney as speaker would be kinda hilarious. ETA: and no, the speaker does not have to be a current member of congress. Have the R's offered any compromises to the Dems?

3rd January 2023, 04:11 PM	#71
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,190	Gawd.... Just give it to Jefferies and everyone wins.
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3rd January 2023, 04:20 PM	#72
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,419	Originally Posted by crescent Have the R's offered any compromises to the Dems? So, reading this: https://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2023 It looks like we've got a full year for the GoP to play silly games and do absolutely nothing before the **** really hits the fan. If it gets to December and the GoP STILL hasn't selected a speaker then it would be time for the Dems to compromise. Expecting the currently divided Congress in this era of absolute refusal to compromise... well the compromise would be the GoP showing the American people how petty and silly they are. It'd be a huge win by the Dems to show they won't play politics over a looming shutdown and default by working with as few as 4 Republicans.
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3rd January 2023, 04:37 PM	#73
Random Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,567	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 So, reading this: https://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2023 It looks like we've got a full year for the GoP to play silly games and do absolutely nothing before the **** really hits the fan. If it gets to December and the GoP STILL hasn't selected a speaker then it would be time for the Dems to compromise. Expecting the currently divided Congress in this era of absolute refusal to compromise... well the compromise would be the GoP showing the American people how petty and silly they are. It'd be a huge win by the Dems to show they won't play politics over a looming shutdown and default by working with as few as 4 Republicans. It won't come to that. The first thing that the House does when it gathers is select the Speaker of the House. And I mean first thing. Nothing else happens until that happens. No committee assignments, no swearing in of Representatives, no ridiculous show trials of investigation/smears, and certainly nothing as sexy as an Impeachment. Just vote after vote after vote for Speaker of the House. Even the MAGA caucus knows that is terrible television...
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3rd January 2023, 04:51 PM	#74
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 7,781	I have a "bingo card" of unlikely events I have been updating every month around the election. One I added for January was that the Democrats help elect McCarthy to the speaker's chair. If it comes down to say, Jordan or McCarthy, this could happen. Probably won't. But at some point they all need to get on with the business at hand. It would also make McCarthy an even weaker Speaker than if the republicans get their act together.
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3rd January 2023, 05:07 PM	#75
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,974	Originally Posted by Random It won't come to that. The first thing that the House does when it gathers is select the Speaker of the House. And I mean first thing. Nothing else happens until that happens. No committee assignments, no swearing in of Representatives, no ridiculous show trials of investigation/smears, and certainly nothing as sexy as an Impeachment. Just vote after vote after vote for Speaker of the House. Even the MAGA caucus knows that is terrible television... But weirdly, the non-sworn in members-elect apparently get to vote on the speaker. They should all just vote for me. I promise to show up and wield the gavel every day, unless I don't feel like it. The longer this goes on, the better I'll like it. Especially if Trump decides to get involved. A lot of Republicans aren't going to get much sleep tonight.
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