Bill Barr and his October Surprise - Page 45

eerok · 14th December 2020, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Doesn't matter what a lawyer writes in a personal letter. If they are serious, it comes in a specific format and wording. Barr simply doesn't want Trump to launch his mob lawyers at him for violating his NDA or whatever. He just wants to go away with his skin intact.

I always figured Barr as a guy who'd slouch away when it was convenient.

Stacyhs · 14th December 2020, 07:27 PM

There is no way Barr wrote that letter and meant it. None. There was some kind of coercion.

Norman Alexander · 14th December 2020, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

There is no way Barr wrote that letter and meant it. None. There was some kind of coercion.

Getting out alive??

Regnad Kcin · 14th December 2020, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bogative

True, but is that a positive or a negative to the Bidens? Now that China Joe is back in high office his name has power and influence to sell, but will his junkie son and brother be brave enough to cash in on it?

Will the "big guy" still get his 10% cut if they do?

Also, what’s in it for the token hoe?

Puppycow · 14th December 2020, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Just had a very nice meeting with Attorney General Bill Barr at the White House. Our relationship has been a very good one, he has done an outstanding job! As per letter, Bill will be leaving just before Christmas to spend the holidays with his family...

...Deputy Attorney General Jeff Rosen, an outstanding person, will become Acting Attorney General. Highly respected Richard Donoghue will be taking over the duties of Deputy Attorney General. Thank you to all!

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

....except when I was deriding him and saying he wasn't.

Yeah, didn't he just call Barr a "big disappointment" in a recent tweet? In fact, there was a series of very critical tweets about Barr.

Stacyhs · 14th December 2020, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Yeah, didn't he just call Barr a "big disappointment" in a recent tweet? In fact, there was a series of very critical tweets about Barr.

Trump reality is "alternative" just like his facts, remember?

Stacyhs · 14th December 2020, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bogative

True, but is that a positive or a negative to the Bidens? Now that China Joe is back in high office his name has power and influence to sell, but will his junkie son and brother be brave enough to cash in on it?

Will the "big guy" still get his 10% cut if they do?

Don't you have a rally to attend? Or a check to write to the Election Defense Fund? I heard a rumor that there was a laptop in a junk yard with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it somewhere in Hodunk, Idaho. Or in the upper Peninsula area of Michigan. You might want to check them out.

dudalb · 14th December 2020, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Don't you have a rally to attend? Or a check to write to the Election Defense Fund? I heard a rumor that there was a laptop in a junk yard with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it somewhere in Hodunk, Idaho. Or in the upper Peninsula area of Michigan. You might want to check them out.

A Trump fanboy accuses Biden of using the power of the Presidency to line his families pocket.
Another Irony Meter blown all to hell.
When he has anything other than B.S. Name calling on the table, I will take him seriously.

Skeptic Ginger · 15th December 2020, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

What meeting?

The meeting where soldier Barr jumped ship and tried to rehabilitate his name by pretending no one noticed.

Firestone · 15th December 2020, 12:36 AM

Good point from Adam Serwer: "The irony of Bill Barr, an executive power fanatic exclusively where Republican presidents are concerned, is that he treated Biden more fairly than Comey treated Clinton, because he cared less what the GOP thought of him."

The Great Zaganza · 15th December 2020, 01:19 AM

I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

dirtywick · 15th December 2020, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

I don't know. I feel like that if Barr had aided Trump like he requested and he won, there's nothing the Dems could have done about it. I think if he had cooperated, the prospect of Trump hanging something like that over his head for the next four years forcing him under his thumb is more likely to have factored into it.

I think it's pretty obvious that Trump is the last guy you'd want to have some dirt on you. Tampering in elections is a huge pile of dirt.

I believe that whatever reason Barr chose to defy Trump, and I'm not really sure exactly what reasons those were since there could be several, it was a selfish one.

Firestone · 15th December 2020, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

I agree with most of this.

Nobody (in his right mind) claims that Barr did anything out of the goodness of his heart, or because he has such a deep respect for the rule of law, fairness, etc ...

The net result is the same. What Comey did (even if he thinks that his motives were valid) did great harm to Hillary Clinton, most probably was enough to flip the election to Trump.

If the investigations involving Hunter Biden had been made public by the DOJ before the election, there is no way to know what impact it would have had.
It would have been a bigger story than the laptops thing.
By not doing this, it forced the team of geniuses around Giuliani to go with the grotesque Hunter Biden laptops story (or stories, I've lost track). That didn't get any traction, because too ridiculous.

Of course we can't rewrite history and check these hypothesis, but we know that Comey harmed Clinton, while Barr (for whatever reason) didn't harm Biden in October.

He doesn't get any prize for this, that's for sure.

Mader Levap · 15th December 2020, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

A Trump fanboy accuses Biden of using the power of the Presidency to line his families pocket.

This is just standard propaganda stuff - accuse your political opponent of stuff that you do.

dudalb · 15th December 2020, 11:58 AM

Barr is just the biggest rat yet to abandon the sinking ship.
But that letter was truly vomit inducing.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 15th December 2020, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

Back to
the town of Bedrock . . .

Wrong franchise:

Segnosaur · 22nd December 2020, 08:39 AM

Barr does more to rebuke Trump on his way out the door...

From: CNN
Attorney General William Barr on Monday rejected several of President Donald Trump's inflammatory and unfounded statements regarding the presidential election, saying at a news conference that he doesn't plan to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter or the election.
...
On the SolarWinds cyber attack..., Barr said, "It certainly appears to be the Russians."...
Trump over the weekend downplayed the massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies and contradicted Pompeo's statement, saying without evidence that the attack may have come from China.

Not that I think Barr should be congratulated for this. He has enabled the worst of Trump's excesses for the past year or 2, and the fact that he is now doing the bare minimum that his job requires in one or 2 areas doesn't make up for that.

gnome · 22nd December 2020, 08:43 AM

Well, Trump's right. It might have come from China. But let's focus on where it DID come from, shall we?

The Great Zaganza · 22nd December 2020, 09:02 AM

Barr wants to establish himself as the new rational center of the GOP.

Captain_Swoop · 23rd December 2020, 03:33 AM

I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

Skeptic Ginger · 23rd December 2020, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Barr does more to rebuke Trump on his way out the door...

From: CNN
Attorney General William Barr on Monday rejected several of President Donald Trump's inflammatory and unfounded statements regarding the presidential election, saying at a news conference that he doesn't plan to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter or the election.
...
On the SolarWinds cyber attack..., Barr said, "It certainly appears to be the Russians."...
Trump over the weekend downplayed the massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies and contradicted Pompeo's statement, saying without evidence that the attack may have come from China.

Not that I think Barr should be congratulated for this. He has enabled the worst of Trump's excesses for the past year or 2, and the fact that he is now doing the bare minimum that his job requires in one or 2 areas doesn't make up for that.

It's like the cat in the hat trying to get rid of the pink bathtub ring. You try to get it off but it just keeps smearing.

Babbylonian · 23rd December 2020, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

It's like the cat in the hat trying to get rid of the pink bathtub ring. You try to get it off but it just keeps smearing.

I'd suggest a gastroenterologist.

Stacyhs · 23rd December 2020, 07:40 PM

I wonder if Barr is beginning to regret taking the job....

dirtywick · 23rd December 2020, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

I think this is correct. I’m sure the Stone pardon in particular bothered him.

And perhaps some of the ones still coming.

The Great Zaganza · 23rd December 2020, 10:33 PM

Barr, more than anyone else, worked to give Trump the legal space to do what he is doing now.
He bought the gasoline and lighters for Trump, but is leaving now because he doesn't want anything to do with the arson that's about to happen.

Firestone · 24th December 2020, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

Agree.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I wonder if Barr is beginning to regret taking the job....

Nah, he's proud of all the mischief he's done.

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Barr, more than anyone else, worked to give Trump the legal space to do what he is doing now.
He bought the gasoline and lighters for Trump, but is leaving now because he doesn't want anything to do with the arson that's about to happen.

I wonder if the "Special Counsel for Fraud", (or should that be "sPeCiAl CoUnSeL FoR fRaUd?"), wasn't another thing he'd rather left to others.

Beelzebuddy · 24th December 2020, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

or should that be "sPeCiAl CoUnSeL FoR fRaUd?"

It should not. Hate when people do that.

Horatius · 24th December 2020, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

This whole month has been so full of crazy, that yesterday I realized I had completely forgotten about Barr quitting. It just vanished into the maelstrom of stupid.....

14th December 2020, 05:47 PM	#1761
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 3,572	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Doesn't matter what a lawyer writes in a personal letter. If they are serious, it comes in a specific format and wording. Barr simply doesn't want Trump to launch his mob lawyers at him for violating his NDA or whatever. He just wants to go away with his skin intact. I always figured Barr as a guy who'd slouch away when it was convenient.
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14th December 2020, 07:44 PM	#1763
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,814	Originally Posted by Stacyhs There is no way Barr wrote that letter and meant it. None. There was some kind of coercion. Getting out alive??
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14th December 2020, 07:57 PM	#1764
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,240	Originally Posted by Bogative True, but is that a positive or a negative to the Bidens? Now that China Joe is back in high office his name has power and influence to sell, but will his junkie son and brother be brave enough to cash in on it? Will the "big guy" still get his 10% cut if they do? Also, what’s in it for the token hoe?
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14th December 2020, 08:15 PM	#1765
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,758	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets Just had a very nice meeting with Attorney General Bill Barr at the White House. Our relationship has been a very good one, he has done an outstanding job! As per letter, Bill will be leaving just before Christmas to spend the holidays with his family... ...Deputy Attorney General Jeff Rosen, an outstanding person, will become Acting Attorney General. Highly respected Richard Donoghue will be taking over the duties of Deputy Attorney General. Thank you to all! Originally Posted by Stacyhs ....except when I was deriding him and saying he wasn't. Yeah, didn't he just call Barr a "big disappointment" in a recent tweet? In fact, there was a series of very critical tweets about Barr.
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14th December 2020, 10:53 PM	#1768
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,334	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Don't you have a rally to attend? Or a check to write to the Election Defense Fund? I heard a rumor that there was a laptop in a junk yard with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it somewhere in Hodunk, Idaho. Or in the upper Peninsula area of Michigan. You might want to check them out. A Trump fanboy accuses Biden of using the power of the Presidency to line his families pocket. Another Irony Meter blown all to hell. When he has anything other than B.S. Name calling on the table, I will take him seriously.
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14th December 2020, 07:27 PM	#1762
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	There is no way Barr wrote that letter and meant it. None. There was some kind of coercion.

14th December 2020, 08:25 PM	#1766
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	Originally Posted by Puppycow Yeah, didn't he just call Barr a "big disappointment" in a recent tweet? In fact, there was a series of very critical tweets about Barr. Trump reality is "alternative" just like his facts, remember?

14th December 2020, 08:31 PM	#1767
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	Originally Posted by Bogative True, but is that a positive or a negative to the Bidens? Now that China Joe is back in high office his name has power and influence to sell, but will his junkie son and brother be brave enough to cash in on it? Will the "big guy" still get his 10% cut if they do? Don't you have a rally to attend? Or a check to write to the Election Defense Fund? I heard a rumor that there was a laptop in a junk yard with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it somewhere in Hodunk, Idaho. Or in the upper Peninsula area of Michigan. You might want to check them out.

15th December 2020, 12:12 AM	#1769
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,004	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander What meeting? The meeting where soldier Barr jumped ship and tried to rehabilitate his name by pretending no one noticed.
	Last edited by Skeptic Ginger; 15th December 2020 at 12:43 AM.

15th December 2020, 12:36 AM	#1770
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	Good point from Adam Serwer: "The irony of Bill Barr, an executive power fanatic exclusively where Republican presidents are concerned, is that he treated Biden more fairly than Comey treated Clinton, because he cared less what the GOP thought of him."
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15th December 2020, 01:19 AM	#1771
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,686	I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second. Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases. Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction. The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to. I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent. And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about. no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.
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15th December 2020, 01:49 AM	#1772
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,140	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second. Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases. Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction. The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to. I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent. And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about. no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself. I don't know. I feel like that if Barr had aided Trump like he requested and he won, there's nothing the Dems could have done about it. I think if he had cooperated, the prospect of Trump hanging something like that over his head for the next four years forcing him under his thumb is more likely to have factored into it. I think it's pretty obvious that Trump is the last guy you'd want to have some dirt on you. Tampering in elections is a huge pile of dirt. I believe that whatever reason Barr chose to defy Trump, and I'm not really sure exactly what reasons those were since there could be several, it was a selfish one.
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15th December 2020, 01:54 AM	#1773
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second. Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases. Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction. The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to. I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent. And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about. no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself. I agree with most of this. Nobody (in his right mind) claims that Barr did anything out of the goodness of his heart, or because he has such a deep respect for the rule of law, fairness, etc ... The net result is the same. What Comey did (even if he thinks that his motives were valid) did great harm to Hillary Clinton, most probably was enough to flip the election to Trump. If the investigations involving Hunter Biden had been made public by the DOJ before the election, there is no way to know what impact it would have had. It would have been a bigger story than the laptops thing. By not doing this, it forced the team of geniuses around Giuliani to go with the grotesque Hunter Biden laptops story (or stories, I've lost track). That didn't get any traction, because too ridiculous. Of course we can't rewrite history and check these hypothesis, but we know that Comey harmed Clinton, while Barr (for whatever reason) didn't harm Biden in October. He doesn't get any prize for this, that's for sure.
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15th December 2020, 07:41 AM	#1774
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by dudalb A Trump fanboy accuses Biden of using the power of the Presidency to line his families pocket. This is just standard propaganda stuff - accuse your political opponent of stuff that you do.
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15th December 2020, 11:58 AM	#1775
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,334	Barr is just the biggest rat yet to abandon the sinking ship. But that letter was truly vomit inducing.
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15th December 2020, 05:52 PM	#1776
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,257	Originally Posted by Resume Back to the town of Bedrock . . . Wrong franchise:
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22nd December 2020, 08:39 AM	#1777
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,126	Barr does more to rebuke Trump on his way out the door... From: CNN Attorney General William Barr on Monday rejected several of President Donald Trump's inflammatory and unfounded statements regarding the presidential election, saying at a news conference that he doesn't plan to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter or the election. ... On the SolarWinds cyber attack..., Barr said, "It certainly appears to be the Russians."... Trump over the weekend downplayed the massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies and contradicted Pompeo's statement, saying without evidence that the attack may have come from China. Not that I think Barr should be congratulated for this. He has enabled the worst of Trump's excesses for the past year or 2, and the fact that he is now doing the bare minimum that his job requires in one or 2 areas doesn't make up for that.
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22nd December 2020, 08:43 AM	#1778
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 11,082	Well, Trump's right. It might have come from China. But let's focus on where it DID come from, shall we?
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22nd December 2020, 09:02 AM	#1779
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,686	Barr wants to establish himself as the new rational center of the GOP.
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23rd December 2020, 03:33 AM	#1780
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,967	I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

23rd December 2020, 04:58 PM	#1781
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,004	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Barr does more to rebuke Trump on his way out the door... From: CNN Attorney General William Barr on Monday rejected several of President Donald Trump's inflammatory and unfounded statements regarding the presidential election, saying at a news conference that he doesn't plan to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter or the election. ... On the SolarWinds cyber attack..., Barr said, "It certainly appears to be the Russians."... Trump over the weekend downplayed the massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies and contradicted Pompeo's statement, saying without evidence that the attack may have come from China. Not that I think Barr should be congratulated for this. He has enabled the worst of Trump's excesses for the past year or 2, and the fact that he is now doing the bare minimum that his job requires in one or 2 areas doesn't make up for that. It's like the cat in the hat trying to get rid of the pink bathtub ring. You try to get it off but it just keeps smearing.

23rd December 2020, 07:37 PM	#1782
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,501	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger It's like the cat in the hat trying to get rid of the pink bathtub ring. You try to get it off but it just keeps smearing. I'd suggest a gastroenterologist.

23rd December 2020, 07:40 PM	#1783
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,029	I wonder if Barr is beginning to regret taking the job....

23rd December 2020, 08:17 PM	#1784
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,140	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out. I think this is correct. I’m sure the Stone pardon in particular bothered him. And perhaps some of the ones still coming.
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23rd December 2020, 10:33 PM	#1785
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,686	Barr, more than anyone else, worked to give Trump the legal space to do what he is doing now. He bought the gasoline and lighters for Trump, but is leaving now because he doesn't want anything to do with the arson that's about to happen.
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24th December 2020, 12:40 AM	#1786
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out. Agree. Originally Posted by Stacyhs I wonder if Barr is beginning to regret taking the job.... Nah, he's proud of all the mischief he's done. Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Barr, more than anyone else, worked to give Trump the legal space to do what he is doing now. He bought the gasoline and lighters for Trump, but is leaving now because he doesn't want anything to do with the arson that's about to happen. I wonder if the "Special Counsel for Fraud", (or should that be "sPeCiAl CoUnSeL FoR fRaUd?"), wasn't another thing he'd rather left to others.
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24th December 2020, 06:16 AM	#1787
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8,077	Originally Posted by Firestone or should that be "sPeCiAl CoUnSeL FoR fRaUd?" It should not. Hate when people do that.
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24th December 2020, 06:27 AM	#1788
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,031	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out. This whole month has been so full of crazy, that yesterday I realized I had completely forgotten about Barr quitting. It just vanished into the maelstrom of stupid.....
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