Bill Barr and his October Surprise - Page 5

TellyKNeasuss · 15th October 2020, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Are we sure no contact information was left? Where are we getting that from?

We are getting it from the guy who runs the shop. He has stated that he isn't 100 percent sure that it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the laptop but assumed that the laptop was Hunter Biden's because it had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it.

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The man, John Paul Mac Isaac, said he has a condition that affects his vision and “can’t be 100% sure” it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the computer for repair.

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he determined it was Hunter Biden because the laptop had a sticker from the Beau Biden Foundation

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...paul-mac-isaac

Which leads to the next problem with the story: the guy claims that he has such poor vision that he can't recognize people but he can see the tiny screws in a laptop computer.

JoeMorgue · 15th October 2020, 07:48 AM

This is like Watergate but if Nixon had left the tapes in his jacket pocket for dry cleaning except the tapes were just found in a random jacket pocket with "Nixon '76" pin on the lapel so they assumed they had to be Nixon's jacket oh and the tapes also didn't really exist.

JoeMorgue · 15th October 2020, 07:51 AM

Fox News portrayed it as one of the biggest scandals in American history. Then it fell apart

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/media...ate/index.html

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New York - (CNN Business) It was a conspiracy that Fox News portrayed as one of the greatest — if not the greatest — political scandals in American history.

Tucker Carlson called it a "domestic spying operation" that was "hidden under the pretext of national security." Laura Ingraham characterized top Obama administration officials as having been "exposed." And Sean Hannity flatly declared it to be the "biggest abuse of power, corruption scandal" the country had ever seen.

That was back in May. This week, however, the conspiracy theory collapsed when The Washington Post reported that a Justice Department investigation into the supposed scandal quietly ended with no charges.

Looks like the Republicans are learning too late they needed a new "But her E-mails" / "He wasn't Born Here" scandal.

johnny karate · 15th October 2020, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Bogative

Rudy Giuliani today on Steve Bannon's radio show –

Sounds like Giuliani is going to do a slow burn on releasing what was found on Biden's hard drive a la Project Veritas over the next several days.

I think I'm going to take a vacation just so I have time to watch the loony left's meltdown this week! It's gonna be so much fun!

Based on your gullibility regarding this story, I assume you’ll be vacationing on that nice piece of swampland in Florida someone sold you.

Armitage72 · 15th October 2020, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Based on your gullibility regarding this story, I assume you’ll be vacationing on that nice piece of swampland in Florida someone sold you.

A comparison was made to Project Veritas, so maybe it was meant as a subtle way of saying "Yes, I know this is a complete fabrication, like everything Project Veritas has released."

The Don · 15th October 2020, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

Which leads to the next problem with the story: the guy claims that he has such poor vision that he can't recognize people but he can see the tiny screws in a laptop computer.

I suppose he could just be incredibly short-sighted

CORed · 15th October 2020, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Based on your gullibility regarding this story, I assume you’ll be vacationing on that nice piece of swampland in Florida someone sold you.

Not at all. He's going to that beautiful old suspension bridge he bought, that spans the East River in New York City.

TellyKNeasuss · 15th October 2020, 09:29 AM

Another problem with the Hunter Biden laptop story: Hunter Biden was living in California at the time when the laptop was supposedly left at a repair shop in Delaware.

CORed · 15th October 2020, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

Another problem with the Hunter Biden laptop story: Hunter Biden was living in California at the time when the laptop was supposedly left at a repair shop in Delaware.

It's starting to look a lot like "He wasn't born here.", in that it's completely fabricated and won't stand even a cursory examination of the facts. Of course Fox News and Trump cult members will eat it up, but it's not likely to sway many people on the fense (if there are any left).

The Don · 15th October 2020, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

Another problem with the Hunter Biden laptop story: Hunter Biden was living in California at the time when the laptop was supposedly left at a repair shop in Delaware.

What better way to cover your tracks than to travel clear across country to get three of your laptops fixed.

timhau · 15th October 2020, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

Another problem with the Hunter Biden laptop story: Hunter Biden was living in California at the time when the laptop was supposedly left at a repair shop in Delaware.

Hey, that's small-time stuff for a wealthy young man to do in the 2010s, compared to how much trouble the pregnant Ann Dunham had to go through to fly to Kenya to give birth in 1961.

pgwenthold · 15th October 2020, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

What better way to cover your tracks than to travel clear across country to get three of your laptops fixed.

I'm not in the computer repair business, but I'm guessing that their business model does not depend on millionaires drippong off multiple laptops for repair.

Skeptic Ginger · 15th October 2020, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Without your contact details, ow can they tell you the repair is complete ? Are you supposed to keep popping in on the off chance that the repairs are complete ? If the repair shop owner cannot identify you due to a medical condition, how do you make sure you get your laptop back ?

I guess this guy operates a business where people just drop off laptops for repair, come back some time later and take some laptop (could be theirs, could be someone else's) away with them.

Pretty hard to make any sense of the story except it's an attention getting fake and Rudy was desperate to find something.

I see they are trying everything they can to go after Hunter and connect the dots to Biden. After this fake, I think it makes it harder to sell any other stories.

The Don · 15th October 2020, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Pretty hard to make any sense of the story except it's an attention getting fake and Rudy was desperate to find something.

Why isn't simply being laughed out of court ?

Why isn't Rudy Giuliani being mocked on all channels for promoting this ridiculous nonsense ?

Why aren't any prominent Republicans willing to break rank ?

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

I see they are trying everything they can to go after Hunter and connect the dots to Biden. After this fake, I think it makes it harder to sell any other stories.

...and yet serious news agencies are reporting on it seriously rather than just mocking him ?

Skeptic Ginger · 15th October 2020, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Are we sure no contact information was left? Where are we getting that from?

Oh for pity's sake! The story is as fake as trying to pass off Monopoly money as real money.

Instead of trying to shoe-horn little bits of the story into a real Oct surprise, read the actual story with lots of bits of information that I linked to above. There are dozens of things wrong with the story including some vague medical issue that prevents him from knowing any information about who dropped the laptop off to his changing the story multiple times.

Skeptic Ginger · 15th October 2020, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

A comparison was made to Project Veritas, so maybe it was meant as a subtle way of saying "Yes, I know this is a complete fabrication, like everything Project Veritas has released."

O'Keefe is probably jealous.

Skeptic Ginger · 15th October 2020, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Why isn't simply being laughed out of court ?

Why isn't Rudy Giuliani being mocked on all channels for promoting this ridiculous nonsense ?

Why aren't any prominent Republicans willing to break rank ?

...and yet serious news agencies are reporting on it seriously rather than just mocking him ?

Are you serious?

Maybe you also need to read the actual links instead of making excuses like these up.

TellyKNeasuss · 15th October 2020, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

What better way to cover your tracks than to travel clear across country to get three of your laptops fixed.

YES!!! THAT'S IT!!! What a brilliant plan: Travel cross-country to drop off a laptop at a repair shop, don't tell the shop who you are and make sure that the owner has bad eyesight and can't recognize you, and don't ever retrieve the laptop with the expectation that the repair shop will wipe everything from the disk and sell the laptop to someone who lives 3,000 miles from you so that all traces of a secret meeting with a Ukrainian businessman will vanish forever.

The Don · 15th October 2020, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

YES!!! THAT'S IT!!! What a brilliant plan: Travel cross-country to drop off a laptop at a repair shop, don't tell the shop who you are and make sure that the owner has bad eyesight and can't recognize you, and don't ever retrieve the laptop with the expectation that the repair shop will wipe everything from the disk and sell the laptop to someone who lives 3,000 miles from you so that all traces of a secret meeting with a Ukrainian businessman will vanish forever.

Sounds like a near perfect plan which would have worked had it not been for one alert patriot.

Horatius · 15th October 2020, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

YES!!! THAT'S IT!!! What a brilliant plan: Travel cross-country to drop off a laptop at a repair shop, don't tell the shop who you are and make sure that the owner has bad eyesight and can't recognize you, and don't ever retrieve the laptop with the expectation that the repair shop will wipe everything from the disk and sell the laptop to someone who lives 3,000 miles from you so that all traces of a secret meeting with a Ukrainian businessman will vanish forever.

Well, they were intensely jealous of Bush's plot to destroy paper records by flying two planes into the WTC towers, so they'd have an excuse to demolish a third building blocks away, hours later.

dasmiller · 15th October 2020, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

We are getting it from the guy who runs the shop. He has stated that he isn't 100 percent sure that it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the laptop but assumed that the laptop was Hunter Biden's because it had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it.

That's proof enough. Surely only one such sticker was ever made, and doubtless it was given to Hunter, who'd never have passed it on to someone else.

wareyin · 15th October 2020, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

That's proof enough. Surely only one such sticker was ever made, and doubtless it was given to Hunter, who'd never have passed it on to someone else.

Board members and millionaires do like to put stickers on their laptops just like teenagers right?

Lurch · 15th October 2020, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I suppose he could just be incredibly short-sighted

Near sighted. And short-sighted.

portlandatheist · 15th October 2020, 10:48 AM

After they go through all those emails and other data on the laptop, I hope they find the location of the Unicorn Farm in the Ukraine that has Clinton's email server.

Stacyhs · 15th October 2020, 11:39 AM

I think Giuliani's being played like the desperate gullible idiot he is:

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Source says the Hunter Biden laptop controversy hints at a Russian disinformation operation

An Estonian intelligence official with extensive knowledge of Russian disinformation techniques says that the Hunter Biden computer email scandal has hints of a Russian disinformation operation.

In a typical Russian disinformation operation, the official, who cannot be named for security reasons, said real documents are salted with forged or manipulated information and then presented in a way that news media — and social media — cannot resist.

"It's just too perfect," the official said.  "A laptop is dropped off to a blind computer repairman in the name of Hunter Biden — in the middle of a presidential election — that happens to be filled with extensive documents along with videos of sex and drug use and it ends up in the hands of the president's lawyer, who publicly admits to working closely with a Ukrainian official that the Trump administration itself has sanctioned as a Russian intelligence asset attempting to interfere in the presidential campaign," said the official, who cannot be named for security reasons.

'The Russians will think it so perfect that they won't care if he believes the **** or not because they know he will pass it along either way'

ponderingturtle · 15th October 2020, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I think Giuliani's being played like the desperate gullible idiot he is:

Hmm tough call, is this incompetence and gullibility or getting good dirt from a loyal friend and simply not caring that it is fabricated?

Babbylonian · 15th October 2020, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Hmm tough call, is this incompetence and gullibility or getting good dirt from a loyal friend and simply not caring that it is fabricated?

Neither. He knows it's BS and he doesn't care.

ponderingturtle · 15th October 2020, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

Neither. He knows it's BS and he doesn't care.

And that is different from simply not caring it is fabricated how?

Babbylonian · 15th October 2020, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

And that is different from simply not caring it is fabricated how?

All I was saying is that the "loyal friend" part doesn't matter a bit. If a rando walked up to him in the street with the same story, he'd have no shame about portraying it in the media as truth.

I definitely could have phrased it better instead of allowing for the inference that I was being dismissive.

ponderingturtle · 15th October 2020, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

All I was saying is that the "loyal friend" part doesn't matter a bit. If a rando walked up to him in the street with the same story, he'd have no shame about portraying it in the media as truth.

And my point is that he has a good history with being in bed with russian interests, not that they somehow took advantage of him. He knew it was crap but maybe he thought it would hang together a bit longer than it has.

Segnosaur · 15th October 2020, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Why isn't simply being laughed out of court ?

Has this actually gotten to the point where the courts (or even law enforcement/FBI/etc) would even be involved?

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Why isn't Rudy Giuliani being mocked on all channels for promoting this ridiculous nonsense ?

Why aren't any prominent Republicans willing to break rank ?

Well if you are a republican congress-critters and say "this is foolish" you would probably be seen by the MAGAchuds as pro-biden, regardless of the number of times you kissed Trump's ass. The only thing you can do is stay silent and hope nobody asks about it.

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Bogative · 15th October 2020, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Bogative

"John Paul Mac Isaac" sounds kind of Russian to me. ******* Putin!!!

I may be prescient.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I think Giuliani's being played like the desperate gullible idiot he is:

Nah, TDS sufferers are very predictable.

Stacyhs · 15th October 2020, 12:50 PM

This just reeks of Russia for all the reasons mentioned in the article. I also find the timeline interesting.

Although Isaac claims he received the computer in April 2019, what proof is there that he did? According to TellyKNeasuss, Hunter B was living in CA at that time. Isaac says he contacted an intermediary in September, 2019 who then contacted the FBI which then "made a forensic copy of the laptop, then returned weeks later with a subpoena and confiscated it."

Pelosi began the impeachment inquiry against Trump in September 2019.

So the FBI had the computer during the impeachment trial. Did they not examine the authenticity of the emails? If this was such a 'smoking gun' regarding H.B and Burisma why did we not hear of it during the impeachment?

TellyKNeasuss · 15th October 2020, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

So the FBI had the computer during the impeachment trial. Did they not examine the authenticity of the emails? If this was such a 'smoking gun' regarding H.B and Burisma why did we not hear of it during the impeachment?

DEEP STATE!!!

Norman Alexander · 15th October 2020, 01:12 PM

Is any of the supposed content of this hard disk NOT available somewhere publicly? Also, is any of the juicy email stuff proven to have been written at the time claimed, and not concocted using Notepad (or whatever) at any other time?

It would take me all of 5 minutes to take the text of an existing email and bodge it up to look like something extremely tempting to halfwit Rudi. So I would imagine it would take a Ukrainian or Russian team of computer experts no time and very little effort to make a whole bunch more, plus fill a hard disk full of a collected library of readily-available videos, etc. A training exercise for one of their beginner provocateurs, no doubt.

I think I can hear the chuckles with a Russian accent from here.

Bogative · 15th October 2020, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

So the FBI had the computer during the impeachment trial. Did they not examine the authenticity of the emails? If this was such a 'smoking gun' regarding H.B and Burisma why did we not hear of it during the impeachment?

We may find out.

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House Republicans are calling on the FBI to reveal whether it was in possession of a laptop that reportedly contained emails by Hunter Biden during the impeachment of President Trump — and claiming the agency committed a “gross error in judgement” if it did not inform the White House

“A large portion of the president’s legal defense case revolved around strong evidence that former Vice President Biden’s son Hunter was peddling his influence to his father to land lucrative jobs overseas that he might not have otherwise been qualified for,” the letter says.

The lawmakers ask whether the FBI was in possession of the laptop and drive as documented in the Post, whether it took steps to authenticate the drive and the data, and if anyone at the FBI briefed officials at the Department of Justice or White House after December.

Elagabalus · 15th October 2020, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Bogative

We may find out.

I think JoeMorgue covered this story (sufficiently IMO) yesterday.

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Look for a "bombshell" (cough cough) smear attack on Hunter Biden in the next week or so as Trump's Hail Mary. FoxNews is salivating over a story about Giuliani's laywers having "dirt" on him and pushing it hard to their viewership.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...d-drive-laptop

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah Fox News really perfected the whole "People want answers on the 'Senator Johnson punches kittens' rumor. Why won't Senator Johnson answer these question?" when they are the ones who started the rumor that Senator Johnson punches kit routine.

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Way back on an episode of the Daily Show Jon Stewart broke down how Fox News "works."

They have their "opinion" shows just make stuff up to stir up controversy and then have their "news" report on the stuff people are talking about. It's basically journalistic push polling.

I Am The Scum · 15th October 2020, 05:54 PM

This really does prove how badly primed right-wingers are for news about e-mails. It gives them an erection so fast that what little blood supply their brain was receiving completely dries up.

gypsyjackson · 15th October 2020, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum

This really does prove how badly primed right-wingers are for news about e-mails. It gives them an erection so fast that what little blood supply their brain was receiving completely dries up.

It does make you wonder: if they think everyone else’s emails are so exciting and must be incriminating in some way, what do they have in theirs?

The Don · 16th October 2020, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Has this actually gotten to the point where the courts (or even law enforcement/FBI/etc) would even be involved?

My poor wording

I was using the phrase idiomatically, rather than literally:

Quote:

laugh out of court, to

To ridicule without mercy; to treat as not worth being taken seriously. The court here referred to is a court of law, and the idea of dismissing a case as laughable is mentioned in Horace’s Satires (35 b.c.). The modern term dates from the late nineteenth century and has lost its legal significance entirely, as in Walter de la Mare’s use (A Private View, 1909): “Longfellow, Emerson, and hosts of lesser men be laughed out of court.”

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com...es%20(35%20b.c.).

15th October 2020, 07:46 AM	#161
TellyKNeasuss Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,625	Originally Posted by shuttlt Are we sure no contact information was left? Where are we getting that from? We are getting it from the guy who runs the shop. He has stated that he isn't 100 percent sure that it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the laptop but assumed that the laptop was Hunter Biden's because it had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it. Quote: The man, John Paul Mac Isaac, said he has a condition that affects his vision and “can’t be 100% sure” it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the computer for repair. Quote: he determined it was Hunter Biden because the laptop had a sticker from the Beau Biden Foundation https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...paul-mac-isaac Which leads to the next problem with the story: the guy claims that he has such poor vision that he can't recognize people but he can see the tiny screws in a laptop computer.
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15th October 2020, 07:48 AM	#162
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	This is like Watergate but if Nixon had left the tapes in his jacket pocket for dry cleaning except the tapes were just found in a random jacket pocket with "Nixon '76" pin on the lapel so they assumed they had to be Nixon's jacket oh and the tapes also didn't really exist.
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15th October 2020, 07:51 AM	#163
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	Fox News portrayed it as one of the biggest scandals in American history. Then it fell apart CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/media...ate/index.html Quote: New York - (CNN Business) It was a conspiracy that Fox News portrayed as one of the greatest — if not the greatest — political scandals in American history. Tucker Carlson called it a "domestic spying operation" that was "hidden under the pretext of national security." Laura Ingraham characterized top Obama administration officials as having been "exposed." And Sean Hannity flatly declared it to be the "biggest abuse of power, corruption scandal" the country had ever seen. That was back in May. This week, however, the conspiracy theory collapsed when The Washington Post reported that a Justice Department investigation into the supposed scandal quietly ended with no charges. Looks like the Republicans are learning too late they needed a new "But her E-mails" / "He wasn't Born Here" scandal.
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15th October 2020, 09:29 AM	#168
TellyKNeasuss Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,625	Another problem with the Hunter Biden laptop story: Hunter Biden was living in California at the time when the laptop was supposedly left at a repair shop in Delaware.
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15th October 2020, 09:47 AM	#171
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,474	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss Another problem with the Hunter Biden laptop story: Hunter Biden was living in California at the time when the laptop was supposedly left at a repair shop in Delaware. Hey, that's small-time stuff for a wealthy young man to do in the 2010s, compared to how much trouble the pregnant Ann Dunham had to go through to fly to Kenya to give birth in 1961.
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15th October 2020, 08:14 AM	#164
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,570	Originally Posted by Bogative Rudy Giuliani today on Steve Bannon's radio show – Sounds like Giuliani is going to do a slow burn on releasing what was found on Biden's hard drive a la Project Veritas over the next several days. I think I'm going to take a vacation just so I have time to watch the loony left's meltdown this week! It's gonna be so much fun! Based on your gullibility regarding this story, I assume you’ll be vacationing on that nice piece of swampland in Florida someone sold you.

15th October 2020, 08:20 AM	#165
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 5,263	Originally Posted by johnny karate Based on your gullibility regarding this story, I assume you’ll be vacationing on that nice piece of swampland in Florida someone sold you. A comparison was made to Project Veritas, so maybe it was meant as a subtle way of saying "Yes, I know this is a complete fabrication, like everything Project Veritas has released."

15th October 2020, 08:26 AM	#166
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,361	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss Which leads to the next problem with the story: the guy claims that he has such poor vision that he can't recognize people but he can see the tiny screws in a laptop computer. I suppose he could just be incredibly short-sighted

15th October 2020, 08:56 AM	#167
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,096	Originally Posted by johnny karate Based on your gullibility regarding this story, I assume you’ll be vacationing on that nice piece of swampland in Florida someone sold you. Not at all. He's going to that beautiful old suspension bridge he bought, that spans the East River in New York City.

15th October 2020, 09:36 AM	#169
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,096	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss Another problem with the Hunter Biden laptop story: Hunter Biden was living in California at the time when the laptop was supposedly left at a repair shop in Delaware. It's starting to look a lot like "He wasn't born here.", in that it's completely fabricated and won't stand even a cursory examination of the facts. Of course Fox News and Trump cult members will eat it up, but it's not likely to sway many people on the fense (if there are any left).

15th October 2020, 09:37 AM	#170
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,361	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss Another problem with the Hunter Biden laptop story: Hunter Biden was living in California at the time when the laptop was supposedly left at a repair shop in Delaware. What better way to cover your tracks than to travel clear across country to get three of your laptops fixed.

15th October 2020, 09:53 AM	#172
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,133	Originally Posted by The Don What better way to cover your tracks than to travel clear across country to get three of your laptops fixed. I'm not in the computer repair business, but I'm guessing that their business model does not depend on millionaires drippong off multiple laptops for repair.
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15th October 2020, 09:54 AM	#173
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,993	Originally Posted by The Don Without your contact details, ow can they tell you the repair is complete ? Are you supposed to keep popping in on the off chance that the repairs are complete ? If the repair shop owner cannot identify you due to a medical condition, how do you make sure you get your laptop back ? I guess this guy operates a business where people just drop off laptops for repair, come back some time later and take some laptop (could be theirs, could be someone else's) away with them. Pretty hard to make any sense of the story except it's an attention getting fake and Rudy was desperate to find something. I see they are trying everything they can to go after Hunter and connect the dots to Biden. After this fake, I think it makes it harder to sell any other stories.

15th October 2020, 10:02 AM	#174
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,361	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Pretty hard to make any sense of the story except it's an attention getting fake and Rudy was desperate to find something. Why isn't simply being laughed out of court ? Why isn't Rudy Giuliani being mocked on all channels for promoting this ridiculous nonsense ? Why aren't any prominent Republicans willing to break rank ? Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger I see they are trying everything they can to go after Hunter and connect the dots to Biden. After this fake, I think it makes it harder to sell any other stories. ...and yet serious news agencies are reporting on it seriously rather than just mocking him ?

15th October 2020, 10:02 AM	#175
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,993	Originally Posted by shuttlt Are we sure no contact information was left? Where are we getting that from? Oh for pity's sake! The story is as fake as trying to pass off Monopoly money as real money. Instead of trying to shoe-horn little bits of the story into a real Oct surprise, read the actual story with lots of bits of information that I linked to above. There are dozens of things wrong with the story including some vague medical issue that prevents him from knowing any information about who dropped the laptop off to his changing the story multiple times.

15th October 2020, 10:06 AM	#176
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,993	Originally Posted by Armitage72 A comparison was made to Project Veritas, so maybe it was meant as a subtle way of saying "Yes, I know this is a complete fabrication, like everything Project Veritas has released." O'Keefe is probably jealous.

15th October 2020, 10:09 AM	#177
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,993	Originally Posted by The Don Why isn't simply being laughed out of court ? Why isn't Rudy Giuliani being mocked on all channels for promoting this ridiculous nonsense ? Why aren't any prominent Republicans willing to break rank ? ...and yet serious news agencies are reporting on it seriously rather than just mocking him ? Are you serious? Maybe you also need to read the actual links instead of making excuses like these up.

15th October 2020, 10:11 AM	#178
TellyKNeasuss Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,625	Originally Posted by The Don What better way to cover your tracks than to travel clear across country to get three of your laptops fixed. YES!!! THAT'S IT!!! What a brilliant plan: Travel cross-country to drop off a laptop at a repair shop, don't tell the shop who you are and make sure that the owner has bad eyesight and can't recognize you, and don't ever retrieve the laptop with the expectation that the repair shop will wipe everything from the disk and sell the laptop to someone who lives 3,000 miles from you so that all traces of a secret meeting with a Ukrainian businessman will vanish forever.
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15th October 2020, 10:12 AM	#179
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,361	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss YES!!! THAT'S IT!!! What a brilliant plan: Travel cross-country to drop off a laptop at a repair shop, don't tell the shop who you are and make sure that the owner has bad eyesight and can't recognize you, and don't ever retrieve the laptop with the expectation that the repair shop will wipe everything from the disk and sell the laptop to someone who lives 3,000 miles from you so that all traces of a secret meeting with a Ukrainian businessman will vanish forever. Sounds like a near perfect plan which would have worked had it not been for one alert patriot.

15th October 2020, 10:15 AM	#180
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,030	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss YES!!! THAT'S IT!!! What a brilliant plan: Travel cross-country to drop off a laptop at a repair shop, don't tell the shop who you are and make sure that the owner has bad eyesight and can't recognize you, and don't ever retrieve the laptop with the expectation that the repair shop will wipe everything from the disk and sell the laptop to someone who lives 3,000 miles from you so that all traces of a secret meeting with a Ukrainian businessman will vanish forever. Well, they were intensely jealous of Bush's plot to destroy paper records by flying two planes into the WTC towers, so they'd have an excuse to demolish a third building blocks away, hours later.
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15th October 2020, 10:25 AM	#181
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 6,379	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss We are getting it from the guy who runs the shop. He has stated that he isn't 100 percent sure that it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the laptop but assumed that the laptop was Hunter Biden's because it had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it. That's proof enough. Surely only one such sticker was ever made, and doubtless it was given to Hunter, who'd never have passed it on to someone else.
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15th October 2020, 10:27 AM	#182
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,353	Originally Posted by dasmiller That's proof enough. Surely only one such sticker was ever made, and doubtless it was given to Hunter, who'd never have passed it on to someone else. Board members and millionaires do like to put stickers on their laptops just like teenagers right?

15th October 2020, 10:36 AM	#183
Lurch Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 1,648	Originally Posted by The Don I suppose he could just be incredibly short-sighted Near sighted. And short-sighted.

15th October 2020, 10:48 AM	#184
portlandatheist Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,612	After they go through all those emails and other data on the laptop, I hope they find the location of the Unicorn Farm in the Ukraine that has Clinton's email server.

15th October 2020, 11:39 AM	#185
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,019	I think Giuliani's being played like the desperate gullible idiot he is: Quote: *Source says the Hunter Biden laptop controversy hints at a Russian disinformation operation* An Estonian intelligence official with extensive knowledge of Russian disinformation techniques says that the Hunter Biden computer email scandal has hints of a Russian disinformation operation. In a typical Russian disinformation operation, the official, who cannot be named for security reasons, said real documents are salted with forged or manipulated information and then presented in a way that news media — and social media — cannot resist. "It's just too perfect," the official said.  "A laptop is dropped off to a blind computer repairman in the name of Hunter Biden — in the middle of a presidential election — that happens to be filled with extensive documents along with videos of sex and drug use and it ends up in the hands of the president's lawyer, who publicly admits to working closely with a Ukrainian official that the Trump administration itself has sanctioned as a Russian intelligence asset attempting to interfere in the presidential campaign," said the official, who cannot be named for security reasons. 'The Russians will think it so perfect that they won't care if he believes the **** or not because they know he will pass it along either way'

15th October 2020, 11:42 AM	#186
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,461	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I think Giuliani's being played like the desperate gullible idiot he is: Hmm tough call, is this incompetence and gullibility or getting good dirt from a loyal friend and simply not caring that it is fabricated?
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15th October 2020, 11:43 AM	#187
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,500	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Hmm tough call, is this incompetence and gullibility or getting good dirt from a loyal friend and simply not caring that it is fabricated? Neither. He knows it's BS and he doesn't care.

15th October 2020, 11:44 AM	#188
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,461	Originally Posted by Babbylonian Neither. He knows it's BS and he doesn't care. And that is different from simply not caring it is fabricated how?
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15th October 2020, 11:50 AM	#189
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,500	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle And that is different from simply not caring it is fabricated how? All I was saying is that the "loyal friend" part doesn't matter a bit. If a rando walked up to him in the street with the same story, he'd have no shame about portraying it in the media as truth. I definitely could have phrased it better instead of allowing for the inference that I was being dismissive.
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15th October 2020, 11:53 AM	#190
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,461	Originally Posted by Babbylonian All I was saying is that the "loyal friend" part doesn't matter a bit. If a rando walked up to him in the street with the same story, he'd have no shame about portraying it in the media as truth. And my point is that he has a good history with being in bed with russian interests, not that they somehow took advantage of him. He knew it was crap but maybe he thought it would hang together a bit longer than it has.
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15th October 2020, 12:10 PM	#191
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,122	Originally Posted by The Don Why isn't simply being laughed out of court ? Has this actually gotten to the point where the courts (or even law enforcement/FBI/etc) would even be involved? Quote: Why isn't Rudy Giuliani being mocked on all channels for promoting this ridiculous nonsense ? Why aren't any prominent Republicans willing to break rank ? Well if you are a republican congress-critters and say "this is foolish" you would probably be seen by the MAGAchuds as pro-biden, regardless of the number of times you kissed Trump's ass. The only thing you can do is stay silent and hope nobody asks about it. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
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15th October 2020, 12:42 PM	#192
Bogative Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,635	Originally Posted by Bogative "John Paul Mac Isaac" sounds kind of Russian to me. ***** Putin!!! I may be prescient. Originally Posted by Stacyhs** I think Giuliani's being played like the desperate gullible idiot he is: Nah, TDS sufferers are very predictable.

15th October 2020, 12:50 PM	#193
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,019	This just reeks of Russia for all the reasons mentioned in the article. I also find the timeline interesting. Although Isaac claims he received the computer in April 2019, what proof is there that he did? According to TellyKNeasuss, Hunter B was living in CA at that time. Isaac says he contacted an intermediary in September, 2019 who then contacted the FBI which then "made a forensic copy of the laptop, then returned weeks later with a subpoena and confiscated it." Pelosi began the impeachment inquiry against Trump in September 2019. So the FBI had the computer during the impeachment trial. Did they not examine the authenticity of the emails? If this was such a 'smoking gun' regarding H.B and Burisma why did we not hear of it during the impeachment?

15th October 2020, 01:07 PM	#194
TellyKNeasuss Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,625	Originally Posted by Stacyhs So the FBI had the computer during the impeachment trial. Did they not examine the authenticity of the emails? If this was such a 'smoking gun' regarding H.B and Burisma why did we not hear of it during the impeachment? DEEP STATE!!!
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15th October 2020, 01:12 PM	#195
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Is any of the supposed content of this hard disk NOT available somewhere publicly? Also, is any of the juicy email stuff proven to have been written at the time claimed, and not concocted using Notepad (or whatever) at any other time? It would take me all of 5 minutes to take the text of an existing email and bodge it up to look like something extremely tempting to halfwit Rudi. So I would imagine it would take a Ukrainian or Russian team of computer experts no time and very little effort to make a whole bunch more, plus fill a hard disk full of a collected library of readily-available videos, etc. A training exercise for one of their beginner provocateurs, no doubt. I think I can hear the chuckles with a Russian accent from here.
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