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Old 19th July 2020, 12:13 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
I'll add that to my list of How to Identify a Lunatic.
Not a lunatic, a sociopath.
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Old 19th July 2020, 02:45 PM   #322
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The delicious hell of this is that there is no honorable person to refute any of it. The only people in a position to refute any of it retain the Trump presumption of dishonesty. We should assume Mary's claims are true because anyone in a position to refute her claims are just filthy Trumptrash and we all know what their kind are like. Trump's who haven't broken with the family, Trump supporters and Trump voters are known to have serious character flaws and anything they say has to assumed to be dishonest unless backed by someone without their flaws.
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Old 19th July 2020, 02:58 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Will anyone's mind be changed by finding out Mary's book includes scratch-and-sniff stickers of the Trump family?
The pop-up section should carry a reader warning.
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Old 19th July 2020, 04:02 PM   #324
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
The pop-up section should carry a reader warning.
If the Donald trump centerfold didn't scare anyone off, nothing will.

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Old 19th July 2020, 05:58 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Not a lunatic, a sociopath.
Hmm. I had to think about that for a bit.

And then I found: https://thesaurus.plus/related/lunatic/sociopath

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Sociopath and lunatic are semantically related In some cases you can use "Sociopath" instead a noun "Lunatic".
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Old 19th July 2020, 06:11 PM   #326
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Hmm. I had to think about that for a bit.

And then I found: https://thesaurus.plus/related/lunatic/sociopath



"Lunatic" is not a psychological diagnosis while "sociopath" is. Lunatic refers to someone who is "insane". Sociopaths are not "insane". Trump is a sociopath but he is not insane.
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Old 19th July 2020, 08:04 PM   #327
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I firmly believe Trump is a sociopath and could kill someone or have them killed without a shred of remorse.
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I firmly believe Trump is a sociopath and could kill someone or have them killed without a shred of remorse.
He has already. Commenting on the 140000+ deaths and increasing death rates, he said "It is what it is."

He has no empathy.
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According to Mary's book, Fred Sr. didn't really care about any of his grandchildren and very little for any of his children other than Donald who was just like him. He was a sociopath who controlled everyone and demanded total loyalty but gave none. Just like Donald. Donald's mother, Mary, was submissive and never, ever stood up to Fred. But, according to Mary, she and her grandmother were very close. One incident that demonstrates the difference between Mary Sr. and Fred Sr: When Mary Jr. was in Columbia graduate school, her apartment was burglarized and her typewriter stolen. She didn't have enough money for a new one and asked for an advance on her allowance to buy one. Fred Sr. refused and told her to 'get a job'. When she told her grandmother, Mary Sr. slipped her a check. Fred Sr. found out when he ran across the canceled check and was furious. Fred Sr. also became angry because he didn't like her endorsed signature...it was too sloppy. She was told to change it.

Now that's interesting. I have to say when I received my $1200 check I was somewhat taken aback by how anal retentive DJT's signature is. A signature should be your chance to shine. Let it all hang out. Make it the best signature evah! Yet, Trump's sig look's like he was trying very hard to get an "A" in penmanship. Now I know why.
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Old 20th July 2020, 02:36 AM   #330
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Originally Posted by Resume View Post
He has already. Commenting on the 140000+ deaths and increasing death rates, he said "It is what it is."

He has no empathy.
What's amazing is that people like him should be locked up, not elected.
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What's amazing is that people like him should be locked up, not elected.
He's probably reflecting the view of a sizeable minority of people - if something doesn't affect them, or perhaps someone dear to them, then it really doesn't matter.

I see that played out time and again where people are railing about people getting handouts but as soon as they are in need - well that's a different story.
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Originally Posted by Resume View Post
He has already. Commenting on the 140000+ deaths and increasing death rates, he said "It is what it is."

He has no empathy.
Playing the fiddle while Rome burns.
Only this time it's two fires at once, protests and a pandemic.
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Old 20th July 2020, 03:32 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
He's probably reflecting the view of a sizeable minority of people - if something doesn't affect them, or perhaps someone dear to them, then it really doesn't matter.

I see that played out time and again where people are railing about people getting handouts but as soon as they are in need - well that's a different story.
But he doesn't even have empathy for that.
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Finished the book today. Enjoyed the insights, and there is no doubt that Fred Trump Snr was a monster who treated her side of the family appallingly. Donald seems to have treated them pretty much the same as he treats everyone else who isn’t his immediate family, a toady, Fox News or Putin. She was offered the opportunity for revenge, and grabbed it with both hands.

But I had trouble building up too much sympathy for her plight. Her life has been pretty damn good in comparison with ...... just about anyone.

So worth reading. Will it have an impact? Only if Trump launches more spittle-sprayed hate towards Mary. If he does the wise thing (yes I know) and leaves it alone it will have little impact.
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Old 20th July 2020, 04:29 AM   #335
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Playing the fiddle while Rome burns.
Promoting beans while America burns.
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My wife decided she wants to read it so I've downloaded it for her. Don't know if I will.
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Every news cycle dominated by Mary Trump, or Bolton, or the upcoming Melania tell-all, or the upcoming Woodward book, is a win. Drip, drip, drip.
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Old 20th July 2020, 07:43 AM   #338
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Every news cycle dominated by Mary Trump, or Bolton, or the upcoming Melania tell-all, or the upcoming Woodward book, is a win. Drip, drip, drip.

I didn't know there was another Woodward book. But there is.
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President Donald Trump is about to get the Bob Woodward treatment again.

Woodward's second book about the Trump administration is scheduled for release on September 15 in the lead-up to the November presidential election. The title and cover of the Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter's new book has not yet been released.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/polit...ook/index.html

And the Melania book is by an ex-pal who apparently has the knives out.
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Following months of legal dramas, threats, and public controversy surrounding multiple different books published by former Trumpworld insiders, yet another blockbuster Trump book is set to hit shelves next month and contain “explosive” revelations about First Lady Melania Trump, authored by her once close adviser and friend of 15 years.

According to people familiar with the project, Stephanie Winston Wolkoff—who was previously seen by the First Lady as a loyal confidant, and had helped plan President Donald Trump’s 2017 inauguration in Washington, DC—will release a tell-all Melania and Me on September 1st.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...on/ar-BB16pmfX

I doubt the Trumpers will be reading either one.
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I doubt the Trumpers will be reading either one.
Have we established that they even know how to read?

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Promoting beans while America burns.
Canned beans are cheap, nutritious and last a long time. The Trumps are giving us advice about how to stock our survival bunkers.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
"Lunatic" is not a psychological diagnosis while "sociopath" is. Lunatic refers to someone who is "insane". Sociopaths are not "insane". Trump is a sociopath but he is not insane.
And that, of course, is a matter of opinion.

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insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior. ... It's informed by mental health professionals, but the term today is primarily legal, not psychological.
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And that, of course, is a matter of opinion.

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When used in the common, layman usage meaning he's 'nuts', yes. I think he's 'nuts', too. But he's not insane. He is responsible for his actions. An insane person is not.

I think you'd be hard put to find a mental health professional who would claim Trump is 'insane'. A sociopath? No problem.
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When used in the common, layman usage meaning he's 'nuts', yes. I think he's 'nuts', too. But he's not insane. He is responsible for his actions. An insane person is not.

I think you'd be hard put to find a mental health professional who would claim Trump is 'insane'. A sociopath? No problem.
Oh I don't know. "cannot distinguish fantasy from reality" and "or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior" both seem to apply.

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I can't see it that way unfortunately.
You should have endorsed it and sent it to the Biden campaign.
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"He was strong, but he was good," Trump told Fox News. "For [Mary] to say the kind of things, a psychopath, that he was a psychopath, anybody that knew Fred Trump would call him a psychopath? And you know what, if he was I would tell you."
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Sure. Lots of people, including mental health experts, say Trump is a psycho/sociopath. If Trump admitted his father was a psycho/sociopath, he'd have to admit he is one, too.
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Mod WarningA reminder, this thread is about Mary Trump's book. There are plenty of other threads to discuss Trump in general, or stimulus cheques or other issues.

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Every news cycle dominated by Mary Trump, or Bolton, or the upcoming Melania tell-all, or the upcoming Woodward book, is a win. Drip, drip, drip.
Did anybody get a count of how many news cycles it ended up being?
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I just finished it. I can't exactly say I enjoyed it, but it was fascinating. The family called Fred Sr.'s house "The House." It sounded like a House of Horror. Easy to read and well written.
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I just finished it. I can't exactly say I enjoyed it, but it was fascinating. The family called Fred Sr.'s house "The House." It sounded like a House of Horror. Easy to read and well written.
I've seen her on 3 or 4 interviews. SHe is well spoken, direct, and answers the question asked.
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I've seen her on 3 or 4 interviews. SHe is well spoken, direct, and answers the question asked.
Must have taken after her mother's side of the family.
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Must have taken after her mother's side of the family.
I thought her father was a nice enough guy.
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I thought her father was a nice enough guy.
He seemed like a likeable but rather weak man who was not strong enough to survive such a dysfunctional family with a sociopath for a father.

My comment about taking after her mother's side of the family was mocking Donald's lack of being "well spoken, direct" and "answering the question asked."
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He seemed like a likeable but rather weak man who was not strong enough to survive such a dysfunctional family with a sociopath for a father.

My comment about taking after her mother's side of the family was mocking Donald's lack of being "well spoken, direct" and "answering the question asked."
Ah OK.
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I just finished it. I can't exactly say I enjoyed it, but it was fascinating. The family called Fred Sr.'s house "The House." It sounded like a House of Horror. Easy to read and well written.
I did too. Nothing really surprised me but there's a certain satisfaction in knowing what went so horribly wrong in that family.
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I did too. Nothing really surprised me but there's a certain satisfaction in knowing what went so horribly wrong in that family.
Yeah, I knew most of the bigger points, since I'd seen two or three interviews before I started reading the book. But I found a lot of the little details fascinating. Interesting tidbits like Rob unwrapping a foil package of cream cheese and eating it like a candy bar.
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Did anybody get a count of how many news cycles it ended up being?
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I listened to two-thirds of Mary Trump's book on Audible.

To me, there were only a few interesting bits.

When Trump was 7, his brother tipped a bowl of potato on his head at a family party dinner.

Mary virtually threw the DSM-5 psychological manual at him and diagnosed him with about a dozen personality/psychological disorders.

Trump's father favoured Trump's brother until the brother started flying planes, got married, and started drinking too much.

Mary said that Trump's father began to give Trump attention when Trump started going round to the rental properties and investigating renters' complaints but not doing anything about them.


The book was read in a rather vehement tone. I think that may have been how it was intended, which I also think detracted from the seriousness it might have aimed at.
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My wife has finished it and recommended I read it. I'm re-reading some Pratchett instead.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
My wife has finished it and recommended I read it. I'm re-reading some Pratchett instead.
Funnily enough I've been considering reading this but have also got distracted by re-reading Pratchett (and picking up on a couple I'd some how missed)
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Old 22nd August 2020, 06:17 PM   #360
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I posted this in the Trump Presidency thread but thought it might fit here, too.

In secretly recorded tapes by Mary Trump and heard by Michael Kranish of The Atlantic, Trump's older sister, Mary Anne, says that Donald has "no principles" and "you can't trust him".

Apparently there are 15 hours of recorded tapes. These tapes also apparently reveal that Mary Anne is the source of the allegation that a boy named Joe Shapiro took the SAT's for Donald to get into college. She also says, "And what they're doing with kids at the border." She guessed that "He hasn't read my immigration opinions on court cases," and "His God damned tweets and lying. Oh, my God, I'm talking too freely but, you know, the change of stories, the lack of preparation, the lying. Holy ****!"
(Interview of Kranish of CNN)
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