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Old 7th September 2020, 12:06 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Is anyone disputing that Trump would break the law if it allowed him to stay in power?
Dispute it? I expect and guarantee it!

But much like with Gozer the Gozerian, the question is what will the form of our destructor be? What method will he try to use as he becomes more and more desperate?
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Old 7th September 2020, 12:09 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Is anyone disputing that Trump would break the law if it allowed him to stay in power?
The beauty if this claim is that you can believe in it forever, because it will never be tested.
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Old 7th September 2020, 12:10 PM   #443
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Is anyone disputing that Trump would break the law if it allowed him to stay in power?
No.

Much like everything else nobody is disputing everything. The Pro-Trumpers are just trolling, whatabouting, "LOL both side"-ing or otherwise not actually addressing the topic.
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Old 7th September 2020, 12:16 PM   #444
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The beauty if this claim is that you can believe in it forever, because it will never be tested.
Why not?

We have already documented cases of Trump breaking the law in the Mueller Report.

But what is your opinion?
Do YOU think Trump would value the law over his re-election?
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Old 7th September 2020, 12:24 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
No.

Much like everything else nobody is disputing everything. The Pro-Trumpers are just trolling, whatabouting, "LOL both side"-ing or otherwise not actually addressing the topic.
What topic? Orange Man Bad? Its a dead horse, Trump is crap but he's not fascist. He's abusing the office to sell "Himself", both sides do suck because the left is whining while not offering a better alternative.
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Old 7th September 2020, 12:57 PM   #446
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Why not?
The statement had an "if". That conditional will not be satisfied. Ergo, the statement will never be tested.

I would have thought that obvious.
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Old 7th September 2020, 01:47 PM   #447
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Originally Posted by The J is for Jeenyus View Post
This ignores the possibility that he breaks the law in an attempt to stay in power, but the attempt fails
That wasn't part of the claim I was addressing. The fact that it is a logical possibility isn't relevant to a claim that doesn't contain that possibility.

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Old 7th September 2020, 02:08 PM   #448
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What topic? Orange Man Bad? Its a dead horse, Trump is crap but he's not fascist. He's abusing the office to sell "Himself", both sides do suck because the left is whining while not offering a better alternative.
Both sides don't equally suck. "both sides suck" is the most ******* braindead unprofound line I hear about modern politics.

When it comes to mainstream politics go back to 2008-2011 and see how ridiculous the Obama fear mongering over barely anything was. Trump opponents fear mongering about Trump won't always be measured, won't always be constructive, but there's usually something there that warrants concern.
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Old 7th September 2020, 02:10 PM   #449
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Both sides don't equally suck. "both sides suck" is the most ******* braindead unprofound line I hear about modern politics.

When it comes to mainstream politics go back to 2008-2011 and see how ridiculous the Obama fear mongering over barely anything was. Trump opponents fear mongering about Trump won't always be measured, won't always be constructive, but there's usually something there that warrants concern.
except when the whiners cant line up a better alternative, the system is broken beyond orange man bad. So whats your fix?
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Old 7th September 2020, 02:19 PM   #450
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except when the whiners cant line up a better alternative, the system is broken beyond orange man bad. So whats your fix?
Orange man was brought in to destroy the system, as part of a culmination of decades of effort. System not broken before attempts to break it, repairs are sufficient if sabotages are stopped in time.
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Old 7th September 2020, 02:22 PM   #451
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except when the whiners cant line up a better alternative, the system is broken beyond orange man bad. So whats your fix?
First step: Get Trump out of office.

The reason you have so many people frustrated and outraged is because there are enough voters in the U.S. who will cast a ballot for the POS out of spite or to stem the tide of the gays and colored people rather than anything substantive. They can't be reasoned with right now; they're not looking for alternatives.
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First step: Get Trump out of office.

The reason you have so many people frustrated and outraged is because there are enough voters in the U.S. who will cast a ballot for the POS out of spite or to stem the tide of the gays and colored people rather than anything substantive. They can't be reasoned with right now; they're not looking for alternatives.
not good enough. remove the rot, but do something better. Not anything else, something better...
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Old 7th September 2020, 02:30 PM   #453
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Originally Posted by The J is for Jeenyus View Post
A laughably rhetorical question, coming from someone who has not once exhibited any interest in presenting any meaningful fix of his or her own.
Cheap dodge, in the vacuum of an alternative is no credibility
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Old 7th September 2020, 02:36 PM   #454
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not good enough. remove the rot, but do something better. Not anything else, something better...
I suspect that you won't like my answer though, even if most polled Americans do. We aren't playing a game here. We need to stop the heavy bleeding right now. We can handle a paper cut.
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Old 7th September 2020, 02:44 PM   #455
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Originally Posted by The J is for Jeenyus View Post
I agree, your post is a cheap dodge. Nice use of a self referential post!

Try again. Try contributing something of substance next time. fingers crossed to send good vibes and enlightenment your way

Good Luck!
So you have no alternative and lame leftie humor . Yawns
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So how is this supposed to be interpreted?
That it's never going to happen, but TGZ can pretend he's right because he can always claim the conditional wasn't fulfilled. That's how you should interpret it.

In contrast, the claim that Trump will violate the law to stay in power is testable. If you make that claim, you will either be right or wrong, and we will all know if you're right or wrong.

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A laughably rhetorical question, coming from someone who has not once exhibited any interest in presenting any meaningful fix of his or her own.
Tear the whole rotten system down, and from the ruins will grow, spontaneously, something better, closer to the state of nature, a world without politicians (who are the root cause of the corruption, all of them, collectively and individually, they're all the same, after all).
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I will offer one bit of evidence for my own position: He himself is already building up the narrative of an election rigged against him.
One can read too much into that. He's setting up denial that he lost the election, should Biden win the Electoral College, but that's not the same as clinging on to power. His aim is to not appear a loser, and in his mind that's served by denial, with the support of the Trumptrash third of the population, Fox and Friends, and much of the Republican Party. If he tries to cling on to power he risks failing, and we're back to the "loser" thing. Better to go back to rallies, Twitter, and fawning interviews on Fox like in his birther days. Power isn't the issue, since he has no ideological objective and I don't think he's really enjoyed Presidenting. Screeching from the wings is so much easier.

Would Trump knowingly break the law if he thought that might prevent Biden winning the Electoral College? Damn yeah.

When it comes to ideological objectives, Barr's the one to watch out for, of course.
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not good enough. remove the rot, but do something better. Not anything else, something better...
Pretty near anything legal that's Not Trump will be better. Not in the least a hard goal to attain.
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Pretty near anything legal that's Not Trump will be better. Not in the least a hard goal to attain.
But naysayers are making Democrats work four times as hard for them to be comfortable saying it's good enough to support over Trump.
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Trump Emerges as Inspiration for Germany’s Far Right
No wonder Trump does not like WWII soldiers. They fought against his bosom buddies!!

Trump is a Mein Kampf carrying fascist, and so are his remaining supporters. Little do these little fat white men dream that if they do "go great" and start to rebuild their military bigtime, Trump's even better buddy, Putin, will nuke them. Some people, even evil ones like Vladimir, do remember history. Trumpsters? Each clings desperately to "his story".
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That it's never going to happen, but TGZ can pretend he's right because he can always claim the conditional wasn't fulfilled. That's how you should interpret it.
I wasn't trying to use slight-of-hand to be right.

I was inquiring about people's perception of Trump's willingness to break the law for the sake of power.

I am curious why you would rather debate semantics than letting me know your opinion on the subject.
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No.

Far from it actually. You are deceived by activists posing as journalists. Period.

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This is not fascism.

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Trump’s “secret weapon” revealed: Fourteenth Amendment allows the President to strip Electoral College votes from states supporting censorship against voters; enables mass arrests of mayors, governors and judges who support BLM

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-...s-arrests.html

Its protecting America from cultural marxists planning to overthrow the governemnt.
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No.

Far from it actually. You are deceived by activists posing as journalists. Period.
so what is Trump ACTUALLY doing about it?

Who of the deep-state cabal has he arrested?

looks to me that Trump is losing the fight despite his "secret weapon".
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so what is Trump ACTUALLY doing about it?

Who of the deep-state cabal has he arrested?

looks to me that Trump is losing the fight despite his "secret weapon".


Promise to fire your sources if I tell you ? (you should anyway)

Klinesmith.

He apparently pled guilty, or made a deal. Maybe he is singing. Why didnt you know? Does that satisfy "being arrested" ?

....and Durham is not the only Fed attorney prosecutor on the job. October may have surprises.

I suppose your sources also told you the CDC recently divulged that a mere 6% of the so called covid deaths were without any co-morbidities.

That puzzle piece is getting around now, so maybe your sources told you already.


The corrrupt MSM is a big part of the problem.


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...followed by....




What makes it remarkably funny is the fact that you are being deceived by BS posing as BS.

So what if Mike Adams of Natural News gets it wrong sometimes. He means well. He is a patriotic guy.

His 14th amendment idea could hold water.


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https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-...s-arrests.html

No matter. Trump landslide coming. Thats why Hillary just told all her crazies: "Never concede, no matter what".

Its a new day in America.

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Promise to fire your sources if I tell you ? (you should anyway)

Klinesmith.

...

you got one person of a huge conspiracy?
Who will almost certainly not face any prison time?


That doesn't stack up well with the many, many indicts, convictions and prison sentences for Trump associates and organizations.

If there is a war in the government going on, Trump is losing big time.
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Not saying thank you and backpedaling looks like;

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you got one person of a huge conspiracy?
Who will almost certainly not face any prison time?


That doesn't stack up well with the many, many indicts, convictions and prison sentences for Trump associates and organizations.

If there is a war in the government going on, Trump is losing big time.

One, so far. Which you did not know of.


Why didnt your sources tell you?

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Not saying thank you and backpedaling looks like;




One, so far. Which you did not know of.


Why didn't your sources tell you?
of course I knew; if you go through the thread, I have mentioned the lawyer already.
And he is LITERALLY accused of the same thing that the DOJ said was okay for Flynn to do, namely lying about something that did not effect the outcome of the investigation.

Saying that you are clutching at straws would be an exaggeration - maybe at an eyelash.
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Sure, it's chronologically impossible to provide solid evidence that he will refuse to concede; I'm aware of that.
I think we're both aware it's a certainty.
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But do you think he will stop screaming about election fraud between Nov 3 and Jan 20 if he loses the election? I don't.
I don't think he'll shut up while he still draws breath. My point is that denying the result and trying to cling on to power are two different things. That's the kind of crack in an argument that the would-be sophists here will try to work at.
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And while you may claim he's only screaming about it to save face, I don't think all of his supporters will take it that way....and I think there's a few of them that might decide do something stupid about it.
Indeed. It's very worrying.
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After the losses to Obama in 2008 and 2012, there was talk that the Republican party was going to have to go through a "come to Jesus" moment about the future of the party in a world where there were growing non-white demographics in the country. It was sometimes referred to as an "autopsy" of the lost election. Conventional wisdom was that the party would have to abandon the racist dogwhistling and make a large pivot in order to start to appeal to non-white voters, especially hispanic voters.

Trump has been a repudiation of that. The party has crossed the Rubicon into an openly fascist government in which christian, white identity is the only legitimate expression of citizenship.

Even with a decisive Trump loss at the polls, it's hard to imagine a path back from this. At least in the short term, there's no way for the Republicans to change this image.

The only real path forward for them is to double down. Dig their heels into being the party of white ruling minority. Election victories will hinge on the combination of decreasing voter turnout through inconvenience, intimidation, and outright disenfranchisement. We already see Trump laying the groundwork for declaring mail-in votes illegitimate.

The battles will be fought in the courts, where the Republicans have spent decades establishing a highly disciplined cadre of conservative ideologues who understand the threat that open elections poses to their mission. The rights of the states to run crooked elections will be held as more sacred than the rights of individuals to vote.
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After the losses to Obama in 2008 and 2012, there was talk that the Republican party was going to have to go through a "come to Jesus" moment about the future of the party in a world where there were growing non-white demographics in the country. It was sometimes referred to as an "autopsy" of the lost election. Conventional wisdom was that the party would have to abandon the racist dogwhistling and make a large pivot in order to start to appeal to non-white voters, especially hispanic voters.

Trump has been a repudiation of that. The party has crossed the Rubicon into an openly fascist government in which christian, white identity is the only legitimate expression of citizenship.

Even with a decisive Trump loss at the polls, it's hard to imagine a path back from this. At least in the short term, there's no way for the Republicans to change this image.

The only real path forward for them is to double down. Dig their heels into being the party of white ruling minority. Election victories will hinge on the combination of decreasing voter turnout through inconvenience, intimidation, and outright disenfranchisement. We already see Trump laying the groundwork for declaring mail-in votes illegitimate.

The battles will be fought in the courts, where the Republicans have spent decades establishing a highly disciplined cadre of conservative ideologues who understand the threat that open elections poses to their mission. The rights of the states to run crooked elections will be held as more sacred than the rights of individuals to vote.
IMO that's about the shape of it
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An interesting thought experiment. If you've ever thought what the "good Germans" should have been doing during the early years of the Nazi ascension, that's probably what "good Americans" should be doing now.

If going underground or fleeing the country don't sound like something you want to do in the next 5-10 years, vigorous organized resistance right now is what is needed. That might mean a few unruly protests or, God forbid, even a bit of property damage. Historically speaking, centrist libs are not up to the challenge.
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Old 8th September 2020, 07:17 AM   #475
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post

No matter. Trump landslide coming. Thats why Hillary just told all her crazies: "Never concede, no matter what".

Its a new day in America.

And what if Trump doesn't win in a landslide?
What if (again) he fails to get the popular vote?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
And what if Trump doesn't win in a landslide?
What if (again) he fails to get the popular vote?
I almost think it will break America more if have another split EC/Popular vote and/or one of the candidates just barely winning. Both sides are counting on some big landslide victory for their narratives.

The one thing I don't think any side will be able to handle is the country being "ambivalent" about Trump.
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I guess now would be a good time to remind everyone that regardless of how they might want to interpret Trump's behavior, purely as a matter of definitions we can't call his "regime" fascism. Because, you know, executive branch of a representative republic isn't fascism.
Same can be said of Putin, right?
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We know the game the Trump apologists are playing. Don't fall into the trap of validating their handwringing over "Oh does he met the exact dictionary definition..." nonsense.

Trump can't be fascist because if he's fascist that means he's an actual legit problem worth worrying about and that isn't allowed in their "LOL everything sucks trolling da libs nihilsim" dojo.

All criticism of Trump is "overdramatic." They've built their entire personalities around this. The problem with this is you have to go into full on reality denial to accept the possibility that he really is worth worrying about.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
To answer the OP question: no. Because to be properly fascist a politician has to be grown in a specific region of France, otherwise his policies are just sparkling wine.
Prestige is confusing the goal with the actions. Fascism is the goal of the Trump regime, he's taking actions to get there. The fact that he's not there yet doesn't mean Trump isn't a fascist.
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Same can be said of Putin, right?
Yes, not fascism.
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