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Old 14th September 2020, 10:20 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump critics from before the 2016 elections have said that, should there ever be a crisis, Trump would not be able to handle it.
Trump got until 2020 before he faced any crisis for the nation (not just his Administration), and he failed to handle it.

Do his supporters think that in his next term he will handle the next crisis better?

Seems to me they just don't care.

He is the crisis. And the USA seems to be unable to handle it.
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Old 14th September 2020, 10:34 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
He ran on an "America First" platform.

And now America is first: Worldometers coronavirus: total cases, total deaths, active cases and serious/critical.
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Old 15th September 2020, 02:45 AM   #443
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
He is the crisis. And the USA seems to be unable to handle it.
he is a crisis.
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Old 15th September 2020, 03:00 AM   #444
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There have been several attempts to derail the focus on Covid and the claim of literal murder and throw in all the other stuff to, when it wasn't the OP. Then the hysteria of anyone not following the trend being labeled an apologist, because apparently some failed to find anyone to cancel on twitter that day.
You're doing a great job complaining about derailing while derailing
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Old 15th September 2020, 03:11 AM   #445
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Trough actions and inaction taken by Trump, many people are dead. The reason Trump took or failed to take those actions was for Trump's personal benefit. Thus, people are dead because Trump put himself over the country. It's fair to call that neglectful murder, primarily since we're not in a court of law and are speaking colloquially. I could see it argued in a court of law as well, had the US not have the frankly insane belief that a President can't be prosecuted.

Now, Trumpists will attempt to argue semantics. Let them and ignore them. Don't respond to them. Remove them from any and all conversations. They thrive on attention. The only thing that matters is that Trump is removed.
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Old 15th September 2020, 03:49 AM   #446
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Now, Trumpists will attempt to argue semantics. Let them and ignore them. Don't respond to them. Remove them from any and all conversations. They thrive on attention. The only thing that matters is that Trump is removed.
Yep anyone not buying into the vitriol is a Trumpist, ignore the legal facts and ignore that if you want the SOB impeached, it's a legal procedure requiring a case based on, oh I don't know.... facts.

It's scummy as can be how he handled it but all the pointless hyperbole in the world doesn't make it legally murder.
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Old 15th September 2020, 03:50 AM   #447
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Originally Posted by RedStapler View Post
You're doing a great job complaining about derailing while derailing
IKYABWAI dully noted.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
IKYABWAI dully noted.
Looks more like you want to be the only one to be able to derail. Oh, and it's duly noted.
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Old 15th September 2020, 04:07 AM   #449
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Conservatives love to demand that people take personal responsibility.

But when it comes to their President, it is unreasonable to demand accountability.


The buck stops where Trump tweets it stops.
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Old 15th September 2020, 04:19 AM   #450
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Originally Posted by RedStapler View Post
Oh, and it's duly noted.
Although, in this case, it still works.
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Old 15th September 2020, 04:22 AM   #451
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
Although, in this case, it still works.
Yes, but the fruit was just hanging too low
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Old 15th September 2020, 05:27 AM   #452
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The funny thing is that Rocky recently participated in a thread regarding off-topic posts in which he admonished others for not accepting that conversations evolve. Yet in this thread he refuses to engage anyone who acknowledges the semantic pedantry at issue and wants to move past it to discuss Trump's actions and their consequences. So it seems that only Rocky gets to decide when it's appropriate for the conversation to evolve, and when it needs to remain locked on to something we need to know we're wrong about.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Also the other Presidents had at least vague justifications for what they were trying to do.

Trump tanked the economy in order to save... the economy from the virus after every expert told him that his plan to "Sit there and do nothing" would both tank the economy and make the pandemic worse. He shot the hostage before it was even taken hostage.

We're not arguing the nuance with the benefit of hindsight as to whether or not Trump made a good or bad decision in some overly complicated trolley problem.

Exactly. What's more, we have a direct comparison of his performance with other world leaders. They were all faced with the same problem at the same time, so it was (and is) easy to see who did a good job. The one time in Trump's life where it would have been OK for him to copy someone else's homework, and he blew it!
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Speaking of Trump tweets and Rocky's favorite "OMB":

Trump reTweets

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We can beat them at their game #PedoBiden
Orange Man Bad? Why no, Rocky. Orange Man VILE. But I'm being hysterical, right?
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Old 15th September 2020, 11:35 AM   #455
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Speaking of Trump tweets and Rocky's favorite "OMB":

Trump reTweets

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We can beat them at their game #PedoBiden
Orange Man Bad? Why no, Rocky. Orange Man VILE. But I'm being hysterical, right?
Is he going to out "Pedo" Biden?
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Is he going to out "Pedo" Biden?
He and Donnie Jr. are pushing the QAnon CT. Nothing is beyond them.
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In the past, calling your opponent a hermaphrodite had been the bottom of decency in an election.
The Trumps just reached a new low.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
In the past, calling your opponent a hermaphrodite had been the bottom of decency in an election.
The Trumps just reached a new low.
There are still several weeks until the election. Don't be surprised if they haven't hit bottom yet.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
In the past, calling your opponent a hermaphrodite had been the bottom of decency in an election.
The Trumps just reached a new low.
"Hermaphrodite"? That seems pretty tame, for being the "bottom of decency". I'm pretty sure worse things have been said and done just in presidential elections.
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"Hermaphrodite"? That seems pretty tame, for being the "bottom of decency". I'm pretty sure worse things have been said and done just in presidential elections.
Yes. And we saw it done today. By Trump.
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Is he going to out "Pedo" Biden?
He already has, having beaten and raped a 13-year-old girl.
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A behind the scenes look at how Woodward got to talk to Trump
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"Hermaphrodite"? That seems pretty tame, for being the "bottom of decency". I'm pretty sure worse things have been said and done just in presidential elections.
Not by the candidates to each other, no.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Speaking of Trump tweets and Rocky's favorite "OMB":

Trump reTweets



Orange Man Bad? Why no, Rocky. Orange Man VILE. But I'm being hysterical, right?
Now see . . . here, there may actually be a legal case for defamation. They are accusing Biden of a heinous crime and acting with, at least, a reckless disregard for the truth. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Take that away, and all that's left is the claim that Trump's policies are in part responsible for the way the pandemic is playing out in the US.
Nice minimization of whole heap of dead people.

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I'm not sure "Orange Man Bad" is baseless, but a lot of it does seem gratuitous and redundant. You all agree that it's not literally murder, but you somehow still don't have enough threads to express your condemnation of his policies.
Republican snowflakes really should stop whining about people being mean to their Fuhrer.

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It's pretty obvious the Dems and the MSM would tell everyone not to wear a mask and hug everyone if Trump tried raise the alarm, so it turns out Trump actually saved lives, lol.
The hysterical cries of racism and delusional hate is a product of propaganda and brainwashing by silicon valley and its excuse is ideology/politics.
Nice projection. Now go back to your safe space on Stormfront or whatever internet hellhole you crawled from.

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In the case of Trump, we not only have indifference towards people dying, but a deliberate strategy of hiding the truth and disseminating misinformation to fool the population into thinking they weren't in any danger, simply to protect the fortunes of a few rich people who supported him. He knew how bad the virus was, and he knew that denying it was a problem which would result in a lot of people dying, but he didn't care. Furthermore he ignored the advice of experts not because he didn't believe them, but because he had made the decision to put money before lives. And then he continued to try hiding the damage and spread misinformation even after it became clear that the worst was actually happening.
It is even worse than that, since there is evidence that they thought it will affect disproportionately states and people that support their political opponents. This is behavior of foreign hostile occupier, like some african colony in third world. How much more they have to do until violence against them will be morally justified?


In general, I have feeling I know now how european version of this forum would look in early thirties of last century, if internet existed back then.
You know, "don't be overdramatic, they will be merely send to Madagaskar" and things like that.
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It is even worse than that, since there is evidence that they thought it will affect disproportionately states and people that support their political opponents.
Which I'm am sure you are working dillegently to present, posthaste.
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This is behavior of foreign hostile occupier, like some african colony in third world. How much more they have to do until violence against them will be morally justified?
Depends on what you mean by "them" and "violence."
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Now see . . . here, there may actually be a legal case for defamation. They are accusing Biden of a heinous crime and acting with, at least, a reckless disregard for the truth. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Depends what's meant by "pedo". There's the clinical definition, and then there's the common usage of "any adult who hooks up with a teenager". Which is still pretty bad, but not really a "heinous crime" in many cases.
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Which I'm am sure you are working dillegently to present, posthaste.


It's not hard to find.


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Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

Read the article. They had a plan for a comprehensive national testing system, but that plan was abruptly abandoned without any explanation. The quoted expert isn't proof, but it's definitely evidence. And when coupled with what we've seen actually happen, and the other clear evidence we do have (Trump's own words, for one), it's reasonable to conclude that the above testimony is likely accurate.
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Depends what's meant by "pedo". There's the clinical definition, and then there's the far less "common" usage of "any adult who hooks up with a teenager". Which is still pretty bad, but not really a "heinous crime" in many cases.
FTFY. Too glaring an error; sure you don't want that. Or are you dating a teenager and use the term?

Then there's common usage in the current vernacular.


George Orwell is giving us all the finger from the grave for epic failure to heed warnings.
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
FTFY. Too glaring an error; sure you don't want that. Or are you dating a teenager and use the term?

Then there's common usage in the current vernacular.


George Orwell is giving us all the finger from the grave for epic failure to heed warnings.
Maybe he means how a pedophila is attracted to kids under 13 years old but anyone attracted to someone between 13 and 16 is a hebephile (not sure if I spelled that right and I'm not googling it at work).

I find the distinction unimportant in the grand scheme of things, kind like the distinction between if intentionally endangering people via lies and inaction counts as manslaughter or murder.
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Yeah that'd have to be an "ephebo". (Have to thank theprestige's thread for getting to know that term.)

Who wants some cheap laughs? Just picture Trump trying to get his fat tongue to pronounce "ephebo"!
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Depends what's meant by "pedo". There's the clinical definition, and then there's the common usage of "any adult who hooks up with a teenager". Which is still pretty bad, but not really a "heinous crime" in many cases.
Did Joe Biden hook up with a teenager, even?

Heinousness of a particular crime is usually down to what one thinks about the person that committed it. Roman Polanski still has his defenders, after all. In this political climate, a good chunk of voters would consider Biden hooking up with an underaged teen pretty heinous.

But that doesn't really matter. The accusation was #PedoBiden. I'm sure they are using the video footage of him getting a little touchy feely with young girls as the basis of that; but still -that's a pretty heinous accusation.
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Maybe he means how a pedophila is attracted to kids under 13 years old but anyone attracted to someone between 13 and 16 is a hebephile (not sure if I spelled that right and I'm not googling it at work).

I find the distinction unimportant in the grand scheme of things, kind like the distinction between if intentionally endangering people via lies and inaction counts as manslaughter or murder.
Seems like quite an important distinction to me. I see an ocean of difference between someone who is sexually attracted to a physically mature person and one attracted to a pre-pubescent.

Derail anyway.
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I agree that "pedo" would be a horrible accusation to make... if Trump actually knew what the word meant.
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Seems like quite an important distinction to me. I see an ocean of difference between someone who is sexually attracted to a physically mature person and one attracted to a pre-pubescent.

Derail anyway.
An example of what I meant by "unimportant in the grand scheme of things".

Say, the POTUS admitted to sleeping with a 16-year-old, and then someone called him a pedo. I don't see the importance of debating what to call him or how calling by the correct term would diminish his wrongdoing.


Likewise the important thing to talk about now is the fact that the POTUS lied knowing peolple would die, and for no better reason that to looking good in the public eye with his base. Why spend so much time figuring out what to call it?
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Did Joe Biden hook up with a teenager, even?

Heinousness of a particular crime is usually down to what one thinks about the person that committed it. Roman Polanski still has his defenders, after all. In this political climate, a good chunk of voters would consider Biden hooking up with an underaged teen pretty heinous.

But that doesn't really matter. The accusation was #PedoBiden. I'm sure they are using the video footage of him getting a little touchy feely with young girls as the basis of that; but still -that's a pretty heinous accusation.
Actually not. What they're using is a picture of Stephanie Carter:

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The clip, from Biden's time as vice president, is of a 2015 swearing-in ceremony for then-Defense Secretary Ashton Carter at the White House, where Biden is seen standing behind Carter's wife, Stephanie, and squeezing her shoulders. The image triggered a media outcry at the time because of Biden's handsy behavior.

Stephanie Carter had this to say about that picture:
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"The Joe Biden in my picture is a close friend helping someone get through a big day, for which I will always be grateful. So, as the sole owner of my story, it is high time that I reclaim it – from strangers, Twitter, the pundits and the late-night hosts."

Carter recalled the day in detail, saying she was "uncharacteristically nervous" and that she slipped and fell on ice when they arrived at the Pentagon. She said Biden leaned toward her as her husband spoke "to tell me 'thank you for letting him do this' and kept his hands on my shoulders as a means of offering his support."

She recalled her horror as the photo, "misleadingly extracted from what was a longer moment between close friends," became "the lasting image of that day." She said she "felt awful" that Biden's kindness was being used as "supposed proof positive that he didn’t understand how to respect women."

"I thought it would all blow over if I didn’t dignify it with a response. But clearly that was wishful thinking," Carter wrote. "I won’t pretend that this will be the last of that picture, but it will be the last of other people speaking for me."
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It can't be that one to say he's a pedo. Stephanie Carter isn't a child.
That's one of the ones they use to say he inappropriately touches women and sniffs their hair.
There is video of him acting a little weird with kids..
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Biden touches people? Even minors? Outside of marriage, to boot? Pile the hay around this pole and get a torch and some rope! And get my clutching pearls and smelling salts!
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Governments have the right to hide information from their populations for wide range of reasons. The idea of a 'right-to-know' is frankly crazy. using an old adage 'You can't handle the truth!'. In that example it was used to obscure illegal dealings, but it can be used to hide sources, techniques, personnel or the information itself.

During WW2 there were plenty of examples where the Government hid, and in some cases, outright lied about what they knew to protect their sources especially the sucess against Enigma. The peak for this was the destruction of Coventry.

The flip side of this is you have to be prepared to defend that position legally at a later date.
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The flip side of this is you have to be prepared to defend that position legally at a later date.
How about morally? Ethically?

Holding back or distorting information - especially potentially life-saving - about a virus that is endangering the citizenry will always be ethically and morally indefensible.
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