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Old 7th October 2019, 06:04 AM   #1361
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
I like long passwords, preferrably the CorrectHorseBatteryStaple kind. At my current job they have a password management system that will ask you to change your password ever so often. This system limits the password to 8 letters, 2 characters and no punctuation...

Funny thing is, it is possible to "circumvent" this system by changing your password using the ordinary Windows functionality. So I can have my 24 character password anyway.

At least IT doesn't ask for passwords. Not that I would tell them.
That's insane. Especially because in many cases an 8 character password is less secure than 7 characters, if NTLM is involved (and if they limit it, that suggests to me legacy software somewhere, which would make me suspect NTLM is still in use). It has to do with the way the hashes are broken up; basically it's 7 character chucks. That means an 8-char password has one char (the 8th) that only needs 26 attempts (36 with digits) to brute force. And knowing the last character can give a clue to the other 7.
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Old 7th October 2019, 06:05 AM   #1362
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I've never understood any modern software having a maximum complexity requirement on passwords.
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Old 7th October 2019, 06:23 AM   #1363
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Originally Posted by Hellbound View Post
That's insane. Especially because in many cases an 8 character password is less secure than 7 characters, if NTLM is involved (and if they limit it, that suggests to me legacy software somewhere, which would make me suspect NTLM is still in use). It has to do with the way the hashes are broken up; basically it's 7 character chucks. That means an 8-char password has one char (the 8th) that only needs 26 attempts (36 with digits) to brute force. And knowing the last character can give a clue to the other 7.
Possible links an IBM z/Series box? I understand RACF still has a 8-char password field.
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Old 7th October 2019, 07:49 AM   #1364
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
The reason Google's results are better than DuckDuckGo's is that Google knows you and knows what you're looking for.
I get better results from Google even when I'm using incognito mode. I'm pretty sure that a lot of Google's effectiveness is because they have more data and are better at mining it, in general. Even at the very beginning, before Chrome existed, before they knew much of anything about anyone, they were still a quantum leap forward in Internet search technology. The "I'm Feeling Lucky" button was a powerful demonstration of Google's baseline superiority to all other search engines.
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Old 7th October 2019, 09:49 AM   #1365
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
Possible links an IBM z/Series box? I understand RACF still has a 8-char password field.
Yeah, I was thinking along mainframe lines, too. We actually have an IBM mainframe, but we don't have that restriction. Not sure what they did differently here.
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Old 7th October 2019, 01:45 PM   #1366
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I worked on one site where a three month job was over before I got an access card. And the person going on maternity leave never missed hers.
I had an experience like that, I was at a temp contract for about eight months and had to queue up at reception in the August heat in motorbike gear. One of my previous jobs was at a company that later went bust and this company wouldn't give me a pass without references from every employer in the last ten years.
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Old 7th October 2019, 03:42 PM   #1367
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I get better results from Google even when I'm using incognito mode. I'm pretty sure that a lot of Google's effectiveness is because they have more data and are better at mining it, in general. Even at the very beginning, before Chrome existed, before they knew much of anything about anyone, they were still a quantum leap forward in Internet search technology. The "I'm Feeling Lucky" button was a powerful demonstration of Google's baseline superiority to all other search engines.
Even using incognito mode, Google uses about twenty different parameters to tailor your search results. Without incognito mode, it's more like forty. If you're logged on, it's about a hundred or so.
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In other news, the entire country appears to have returned from extended leave this morning.
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Old 7th October 2019, 03:46 PM   #1369
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Even using incognito mode, Google uses about twenty different parameters to tailor your search results. Without incognito mode, it's more like forty. If you're logged on, it's about a hundred or so.
The same parameters that are available to every other search engine. And yet ddg does not perform as well.
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Old 7th October 2019, 03:50 PM   #1370
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The same parameters that are available to every other search engine. And yet ddg does not perform as well.
DuckDuckGo does not tailor search results at all. That's the whole point.
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Old 8th October 2019, 12:59 AM   #1371
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I've never understood any modern software having a maximum complexity requirement on passwords.
Most of the minimum requirements doesn't make much sense either.

https://www.welivesecurity.com/2017/...-requirements/
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Possible links an IBM z/Series box? I understand RACF still has a 8-char password field.
Nope. No such thing. It's a Windows-shop. That's why I can get away with using the ordinary Windows method for changing my password.

When I was onboarding I had to type my password on a keyboard in operations. While he didn't peek at my password he did comment on the length of my password. Something along the lines of "Holy crap that's a long password".

Yes. Yes it is. As an operations guy you should appreciate that.
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Old 8th October 2019, 11:19 AM   #1373
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I've solved a number of SAP issues this way. I've never been on an SAP system in my life. It's mind boggling.
The dynamic allocation of sort work files by Syncsort is in the 1%. Very confusef
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Old 8th October 2019, 04:01 PM   #1374
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Well today I learned that because of the latest reorg I get another new boss.

My fourth in as many years.

It's annoying because 1) I hate training new bosses and 2) I really really like this one I have right now.



Bleah.
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Most of the minimum requirements doesn't make much sense either.

https://www.welivesecurity.com/2017/...-requirements/
Wow, that recommendation eliminates almost every rule we have for passwords.
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Wow, that recommendation eliminates almost every rule we have for passwords.

Yup.

Do you see any serious flaws in the recommendations?
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Yup.

Do you see any serious flaws in the recommendations?
Nope, none. These recommendations should be adopted everywhere, especially here where I work.

Actually I think biometric ID would be better than any kind of password, but if you've got to have passwords, do it right.
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I don't know about you, but I really love being talked over while I'm trying to explain something.
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I don't know about you, but I really love being talked over while I'm trying to explain something.
I hung up on one crisis call. It wasn't my then current line of work but an area I'm very strong in so senior managers asked me to join the call. Every time I started explaining how to fix it someone would talk over me "This is a big issue for us...". I recall saying "Oh for god's sake" and hanging up. A manager recalls me saying something stronger. I dialled back in after a minute and said something about the mute function on my new phone apparently not working and this time was allowed to tell them how to solve the urgent problem that was somehow less urgent than each person's need to announce their presence.
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Old 9th October 2019, 09:22 AM   #1380
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Nope, none. These recommendations should be adopted everywhere, especially here where I work.

Actually I think biometric ID would be better than any kind of password, but if you've got to have passwords, do it right.
No! This is a lie that smart phone and laptop makers have been pushing on the public for years now.

Biometrics should be used only for authentication, that is, showing you are who you claim you are. It's the "user name" part of a user name/password pair. They should not be used for authorization, that is, granting you access to systems.

Why? You have only one fingerprint or face. If people who aren't you figure out how to bypass the biometrics, they have complete access to the system and you can't lock them out. ("Sorry, George, the Cardassians have figured out how to bypass the retina scan and can now access Starfleet's weapons systems. We'll either have to revoke your access completely or gouge your eyes out.")

A better approach is to use biometrics for authentication and a secure token for authorization. That way if the authentication part is compromised, the authorization token can be revoked and re-issued.
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I'm convinced that 90% of complaining about "OMG now I have to repeat my problem to you! I just explained it to the other guy!" comes from people who just vomit out their issue in one long unbroken stream of consciousness data dump to everyone.
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Big Mainframe Company put a bugged OS upgrade on to our dev machine last week , but didn't apply the patch that seems to have been available since July. Hmmm
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Could be worse.

Our company is making a big push to improve security. Part of that is better controls for admin/privileged functions. As part of that, we're implementing a system so that we don't have direct access to the privileged accounts;we'll check them out and in as we need to use them.

Well, one problem they ran into is that our workstations require smartcard logins, and these new admin acocunts don't have cards associated with them. This means when we try to "Run As" an admin function, it can't log in the admin user. Not a big deal; we can do like everyone else in the world and set up specific jump servers for this, that are used for admin and have other controls.

Instead, our security team has decided that a better option is to simply turn off the smartcard requirement for all admin workstations.

Yes, we're reducing security across the most privileged systems in our enterprise; many of which are laptops (not even restricted to the company property).

This is typical for our new security team.

Anyone know a place that's looking for an expert Windows admin with some experience in programming, -IX systems, Mac OS, and networking?
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No! This is a lie that smart phone and laptop makers have been pushing on the public for years now.

Biometrics should be used only for authentication, that is, showing you are who you claim you are. It's the "user name" part of a user name/password pair. They should not be used for authorization, that is, granting you access to systems.

Why? You have only one fingerprint or face. If people who aren't you figure out how to bypass the biometrics, they have complete access to the system and you can't lock them out. ("Sorry, George, the Cardassians have figured out how to bypass the retina scan and can now access Starfleet's weapons systems. We'll either have to revoke your access completely or gouge your eyes out.")

A better approach is to use biometrics for authentication and a secure token for authorization. That way if the authentication part is compromised, the authorization token can be revoked and re-issued.
Yes, you're absolutely right, and I should have been more careful when I said that. Biometric methods should be one factor in a multi-factor authentication system.
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No! This is a lie that smart phone and laptop makers have been pushing on the public for years now.

Biometrics should be used only for authentication, that is, showing you are who you claim you are. It's the "user name" part of a user name/password pair. They should not be used for authorization, that is, granting you access to systems.

Why? You have only one fingerprint or face. If people who aren't you figure out how to bypass the biometrics, they have complete access to the system and you can't lock them out. ("Sorry, George, the Cardassians have figured out how to bypass the retina scan and can now access Starfleet's weapons systems. We'll either have to revoke your access completely or gouge your eyes out.")

A better approach is to use biometrics for authentication and a secure token for authorization. That way if the authentication part is compromised, the authorization token can be revoked and re-issued.
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I have it on good authority that all human anuses are unique, i.e. they have different patterns of fissures, etc. So I am dreading the day when some officious bean-counter is going to insist on using this as a unique personal identifier. Can you imagine designing the interface??
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I think they'd have to call it something other than an interface.
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You read Bruce Bethke's "Headcrash" with the Proctoprod?
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Well today I learned that because of the latest reorg I get another new boss.

My fourth in as many years.

It's annoying because 1) I hate training new bosses and 2) I really really like this one I have right now.



Bleah.
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I have it on good authority that all human anuses are unique, i.e. they have different patterns of fissures, etc. So I am dreading the day when some officious bean-counter is going to insist on using this as a unique personal identifier. Can you imagine designing the interface??

So the Grey Aliens are just authenticating?
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So the Grey Aliens are just authenticating?
LOL! Been a busy week and I needed a laugh, thanks.
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DuckDuckGo does not tailor search results at all. That's the whole point.
And their usefulness as a search engine suffers for it.

If they're not at least tailoring search results based on Browser and OS type reported in HTTP request headers, then they're missing out.
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LOL! Been a busy week and I needed a laugh, thanks.

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LOL! Been a busy week and I needed a laugh, thanks.
Interfacing.
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And their usefulness as a search engine suffers for it.
Which is what I was saying. Google knows who you are and what you want, so it gives better results.
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Old 14th October 2019, 03:59 AM   #1395
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I don't know about you, but I really love being
I love being too. It is great.

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Old 14th October 2019, 07:17 AM   #1397
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Which is what I was saying. Google knows who you are and what you want, so it gives better results.
Knowing what browser and OS are being reported in the request header isn't the same as knowing who you are and what you want. If people are avoiding Google searches because they're afraid of that, then they're stupid. If DDG is intentionally ignoring that, then they're exploiting stupid people.
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Old 14th October 2019, 09:36 AM   #1398
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Knowing what browser and OS are being reported in the request header isn't the same as knowing who you are and what you want. If people are avoiding Google searches because they're afraid of that, then they're stupid. If DDG is intentionally ignoring that, then they're exploiting stupid people.
It has the unintended side effect of creating search bubbles, where Google gives you results that it thinks you want as opposed to what you need. It's probably good for technical topics, but for controversial ones it only serves to amplify the echo chamber. For things like medical information it can be a killer, if Google decides you're into alternative medicine and fails to show you results from more reputable sites.

In addition, I don't know what Google knows about me. What I do know is they've made it their mission to get as much data as possible about my browsing habits, where I go on the web, what sites I visit, and how long I stay there.

East Germany used to have a group that did that, too. I think you know their name: the Stasi.

Basically, Google is sitting on a huge mine of personally identifying information from millions of people, most of it collected without their knowledge or consent. Anyone is only one National Security Letter away from that information being abused.
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Parts of Brazil were scheduled to observe DST (summer time) from 3 November, 2019 to 16 February 2020. This now seems to be canceled, although no decree has been made yet.
On the one hand, YAY Brazil!!! Wish we'd do that.

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I have such mixed emotions!

On the one hand, YAY Brazil!!! Wish we'd do that.

On the other hand, oh crap - timezone changes in my future.
How many time have I posted this I wonder?

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