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Old 9th October 2019, 06:29 AM   #1441
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump's plan to make sure the US has the best Military is to never use it: it might get a dent.
Rather, it is to only use it against civilians.
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Old 9th October 2019, 06:30 AM   #1442
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Old 9th October 2019, 06:42 AM   #1443
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump's plan to make sure the US has the best Military is to never use it: it might get a dent.

He needs the military in good shape and close to home to protect him from the imminent coup that he's been ranting about lately.
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Old 9th October 2019, 07:07 AM   #1444
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Radical Left Dem Mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, is doing everything possible to stifle Free Speech despite a record sell-out crowd at the Target Center. Presidents Clinton and Obama paid almost nothing! The Minneapolis Police have been incredible....

....In fact, the “Cops For Trump” T-shirt Web Site CRASHED because of incredible volume, but is now back up and running. Proceeds go to the Police Union Charities. See you on Thursday night in Minneapolis!

I wonder if the Police Union Charities will book an award ceremony for Trump at Mar-a-Lago like the Palm Beach police charity did.
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Old 9th October 2019, 07:13 AM   #1445
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Which country has spent the most money at Trump properties?

If you guessed Turkey, you're pretty good!
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Old 9th October 2019, 07:22 AM   #1446
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They don’t have a clue, but I do. The USA is doing great despite the Fed!

Adam Schiff is a disgrace to our Country!

So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to chose. Will have 182 soon!
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Old 9th October 2019, 07:24 AM   #1447
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True. Should have never been there in the first place!

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It’s expected that some in the GOP who took us into these endless quagmires in the Middle East are unhappy about ending wars, but where is the left? The silence is resounding. Silence is not always golden. @realDonaldTrump is doing the right thing & should have bipartisan support
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Old 9th October 2019, 07:26 AM   #1448
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

They don’t have a clue, but I do. The USA is doing great despite the Fed!

Adam Schiff is a disgrace to our Country!

So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to chose. Will have 182 soon!

Trump didn't tweet:

Your favorite president is a lying scumbag who has destroyed our position in the world, but look at all those right-wing judges.
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Old 9th October 2019, 07:39 AM   #1449
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President Obama said that he did not have the right to sign DACA, that it will never hold up in court. He signed it anyway! If the Supreme Court upholds DACA, it gives the President extraordinary powers, far greater than ever thought. If they do what is right and do not let......

....DACA stand, with all of its negative legal implications, the Republicans and Democrats will have a DEAL to let them stay in our Country, in very short order. It would actually benefit DACA, and be done the right way!
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Old 9th October 2019, 08:10 AM   #1450
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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President Obama said that he did not have the right to sign DACA, that it will never hold up in court. He signed it anyway! If the Supreme Court upholds DACA, it gives the President extraordinary powers, far greater than ever thought. If they do what is right and do not let......

....DACA stand, with all of its negative legal implications, the Republicans and Democrats will have a DEAL to let them stay in our Country, in very short order. It would actually benefit DACA, and be done the right way!

Unsurprising, President Obama didn't actually say that. It's a repetition of claims from his opponents.
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Old 9th October 2019, 08:21 AM   #1451
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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True. Should have never been there in the first place!

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It’s expected that some in the GOP who took us into these endless quagmires in the Middle East are unhappy about ending wars, but where is the left? The silence is resounding. Silence is not always golden. @realDonaldTrump is doing the right thing & should have bipartisan support
Yet Trump seems to ignore the fact that he himself once supported the invasion of Iraq and the bombing campaign in Libya (you know, the events that contributed to those "endless quagmires".)
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As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)
I think I get it now: "great and unmatched wisdom" is a joke, and a sick one. Since virtually everyone in the world knows that Trump does not possess great and unmatched wisdom, nobody should expect him to lift a finger as Turkey slaughters our betrayed allies.
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Old 9th October 2019, 09:21 AM   #1453
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The Kurdish led Syrian Democratic Forces are reporting civilian losses from Turkish attacks.

Their blood is on the hands President Trump. And this is just the beginning.
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Old 9th October 2019, 09:31 AM   #1454
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So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to choose. Will have 182 soon!

Only 25 percent want the President Impeached, which is pretty low considering the volume of Fake News coverage, but pretty high considering the fact that I did NOTHING wrong. It is all just a continuation of the greatest Scam and Witch Hunt in the history of our Country!
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Old 9th October 2019, 09:39 AM   #1455
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to choose. Will have 182 soon!

Only 25 percent want the President Impeached, which is pretty low considering the volume of Fake News coverage, but pretty high considering the fact that I did NOTHING wrong. It is all just a continuation of the greatest Scam and Witch Hunt in the history of our Country!
25% of Republicans maybe, 50%-60% of the electorate in general according to recent polls.
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Old 9th October 2019, 09:41 AM   #1456
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The Kurdish led Syrian Democratic Forces are reporting civilian losses from Turkish attacks.

Their blood is on the hands President Trump. And this is just the beginning.
He, and the GOP don't care one jot.

As long as they stay in power, line their pockets and please their donors - brown people half a world away don't matter at all.
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:04 AM   #1457
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With Televangelist Pat Robertson criticizing Trump's decision to abandon Kurdish allies and his response to the Jamal Khashoggi killing, is Trump dumb enough to counter attack and start insulting one of the heads of his evangelical base?
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:21 AM   #1458
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Have you read "The Authoritarians"?

https://www.theauthoritarians.org/

(Anyone who hasn't read it, needs to. It's very entertaining as well as being rock solid scientifically, and it's not long. And it's free!)
I shared this on FB and sadly, predictably got this reply from a "Conservative" (actually Populist) friend:

"Three things cannot be discounted. 1) Trump won 58% of the white vote. 2) Hillary was the opposition and the dislike for her is as strong among the Right as it is for Trump on the Left. 3) I don't care what any poll says, a lot of Americans, white Americans, are tired of the losing the culture wars. "Dial 1 for English." sums it up. Trump's views on immigration resonated with a lot of Americans whether they said anything or not. We were being blamed for not caring about thousands and thousands of uninvited, unskilled, God-only-knows-what-diseaes-they-may-be-carrying Latinos. The Left-wing media ran with that as far as they could. Trump supporters were accused of "not caring" for these people; not even to the extent of providing a basic Christian care instead allowing them to wallow in filthy conditions.
Still. Trump IS, without question, undeniably unfit for the Presidency. The only way to remove him from office is through the ballot box. Wait 13 months, you'll get your chance."
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:36 AM   #1459
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Romney got more votes in 2012 than Trump did in 2016.

Actually no.

Here's the 2012 exit poll calculations.

2012 Election Democratic Party Republican Party Independents Total Votes
Obama 45,128,259 2,478,440 16,845,646 61,573,741
Romney 3,433,672 38,415,818 18,717,384 59,611,642
All Others 490,525 413,073 1,871,738 7,900,027
Party Totals 49,052,456 41,307,331 37,434,769 129,085,410


And here's the 2016 exit poll calculations.

2016 Election Democratic Party Republican Party Independents Vote Totals
Clinton 45,005,193 3,608,069 17,220,329 65,833,590
Trump 4,045,411 39,688,758 18,860,360 62,594,528
All Others 1,517,029 1,804,034 4,920,094 8,241,157
Party Totals 50,567,632 45,100,861 41,000,783 136,669,276


As you can see from the delta table. Clinton went negative in her own party slightly.

2016-2012 Delta Democratic Party Republican Party Independents Total Votes
Clinton -123,067 1,129,629 374,683 4,259,850
Trump 611,739 1,272,940 142,976 2,982,886
All Others 1,026,504 1,390,961 3,048,355 341,130
Party Totals 1,515,176 3,793,530 3,566,014 7,583,866


But the exciting part in the change table, Clinton really pulled in Republican voters.
On the other hand Trump had an appeal for Democratic Party registered voters,
but to a lesser degree.

2016/2012 Change Democratic Party Republican Party Independents Total Votes
Clinton 99.73% 145.58% 102.22% 106.92%
Trump 117.82% 103.31% 100.76% 105.00%
All Others 309.27% 436.73% 262.86% 104.32%
Party Totals 103.09% 109.18% 109.53% 105.88%


2016 Exit Polls Cornell University
2012 Exit Polls Cornell University
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:53 AM   #1460
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Romney got more votes in 2012 than Trump did in 2016.
Actually no.

Here's the 2012 exit poll calculations.

2012 Election Democratic Party Republican Party Independents Total Votes
Obama 45,128,259 2,478,440 16,845,646 61,573,741
Romney 3,433,672 38,415,818 18,717,384 59,611,642
All Others 490,525 413,073 1,871,738 7,900,027
Party Totals 49,052,456 41,307,331 37,434,769 129,085,410


And here's the 2016 exit poll calculations.

2016 Election Democratic Party Republican Party Independents Vote Totals
Clinton 45,005,193 3,608,069 17,220,329 65,833,590
Trump 4,045,411 39,688,758 18,860,360 62,594,528
All Others 1,517,029 1,804,034 4,920,094 8,241,157
Party Totals 50,567,632 45,100,861 41,000,783 136,669,276


2016 Exit Polls Cornell University
2012 Exit Polls Cornell University
Strange... those figures seem to conflict with Wikipedia (Romney: ~61 million, Trump: ~63 million.)

Either way, when you're talking about total votes you're right: Trump did get more voters than Romney.

However, it should also be noted that Trump received 46% of the votes in 2012, while Romney got 47%. So by that measure, Romney beat Trump.

What this implies is not that "Trump was more popular than Romney", but that there were millions more citizens of the U.S. who were able to cast a ballot. I suspect that if both politicians were dealing with the same default population, Romney probably would have beaten Trump in total votes cast.
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:57 AM   #1461
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Percentage-wise, Romney beat Trump. Trump got a little less than 3 million more votes, but 7.6 million more people voted.
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Old 9th October 2019, 11:43 AM   #1462
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Trump had done the impossible:He has made me ashamed to be an American.
The man is corrupt and evil, He and the GOP must be removed from power if the US is to survive as a democracy.
Hopefully at the ballot box,but if that fails by any means necessary. Yes, I am talking about armed resistence.
I know a lot you think I am crazy, but If Trump gets in again I won't sound so crazy....
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With Televangelist Pat Robertson criticizing Trump's decision to abandon Kurdish allies and his response to the Jamal Khashoggi killing, is Trump dumb enough to counter attack and start insulting one of the heads of his evangelical base?
Yes. Trump always seems to counterpunch without regard to the cost to him.
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Trump had done the impossible:He has made me ashamed to be an American.
The man is corrupt and evil, He and the GOP must be removed from power if the US is to survive as a democracy.
Hopefully at the ballot box,but if that fails by any means necessary. Yes, I am talking about armed resistence.
I know a lot you think I am crazy, but If Trump gets in again I won't sound so crazy....
Whoa, easy there tiger. What is the democratic process that would authorize armed Rebellion? In our Revolution, the colonial assemblies voted and sent delegates to the Continental Congress. However flawed that body and process were, there was a democratic underpinning to out rebellion. How is armed rebellion without a democratic mandate in anyway going to restore democracy?
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Ho hum... another day, another incident of groping.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-el-faizy-book
A book excerpt published by Esquire on Wednesday contains a new accusation of sexual assault against President Donald Trump. The excerpt, part of Barry Levine and Monique El-Faizy’s forthcoming book All the President’s Women: Donald Trump and the Making of a Predator, contains an account from a woman named Karen Johnson who says Trump groped her and forcibly kissed her at a Mar-a-Lago New Year’s Eve party in the early 2000s.

So, 2 questions:

- Will we end up getting a rage-tweet from Trump. "Levine... so unfair! SAD"

- Does Trump have some sort of frequent molester card? With ever 25 gropes you get a free weekend at Epstien's island?

Maybe we can make up a sort of 'bingo' card... or a board game like Clue... "Trump... at mar-a-lago, by the pussy".
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So pathetic to see Sleepy Joe Biden, who with his son, Hunter, and to the detriment of the American Taxpayer, has ripped off at least two countries for millions of dollars, calling for my impeachment - and I did nothing wrong. Joe’s Failing Campaign gave him no other choice!
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Whoa, easy there tiger. What is the democratic process that would authorize armed Rebellion? In our Revolution, the colonial assemblies voted and sent delegates to the Continental Congress. However flawed that body and process were, there was a democratic underpinning to out rebellion. How is armed rebellion without a democratic mandate in anyway going to restore democracy?
And if it comes to a choice of fight or submit to a dictatorship?
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Old 9th October 2019, 12:16 PM   #1468
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So, about those tax cuts...

From: https://www.theguardian.com/business...aires-pay-less
In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a rate of 24.2%, University of California at Berkeley economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman calculate...Trump’s tax cuts – his most significant legislative victory – proved a tipping point. Thanks to the controversial tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted a 2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of US earners.

(Note that their calculations include both federal and state taxes.)
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And if it comes to a choice of fight or submit to a dictatorship?
Considering the amount of people speaking out against Trump, it is very far from a dictatorship. In fact, as seen from abroad, he seems almost powerless, confined to ramble on Twitter. Stop reading Twitter, and it is almost as if he doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Considering the amount of people speaking out against Trump, it is very far from a dictatorship. In fact, as seen from abroad, he seems almost powerless, confined to ramble on Twitter. Stop reading Twitter, and it is almost as if he doesn't exist.

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I wish I could believe that. I just can't.
And I am sick of people..GOPers in particular, criticizing Trump but then taking no action.
ANyway I stated armed resistence as a last case scenario, if it's clear that the GOP has turned the US into a banana republic with meaningless fixed elections.
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Interesting that Trump has major investments in Turkey, isn't it?
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Considering the amount of people speaking out against Trump, it is very far from a dictatorship. In fact, as seen from abroad, he seems almost powerless, confined to ramble on Twitter. Stop reading Twitter, and it is almost as if he doesn't exist.
Sure. Except for the fact that he is nominating judges that will probably end up rolling back things like voting and reproductive rights.

And that he signed a tax bill that resulted in rich people paying a lower tax rate than poor people, with the added bonus of a huge spike in the deficit.

And except for the fact that he is likely speeding up the next recession, and making it harder for future governments to dig themselves out of trouble through his tariffs and other financial mess-ups.

But apart from that? Its like he's not there. Or a figurehead.
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Old 9th October 2019, 12:26 PM   #1473
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Trump Tweets

So why is someone a good or great President if they needed to Spy on someone else’s Campaign in order to win (that didn’t work out so well), and if they were unable to fill 142 important Federal Judgeships (a record by far), handing them all to me to choose. Will have 182 soon!

Only 25 percent want the President Impeached, which is pretty low considering the volume of Fake News coverage, but pretty high considering the fact that I did NOTHING wrong. It is all just a continuation of the greatest Scam and Witch Hunt in the history of our Country!
I would assume that under normal circumstances, this percentage would be much lower. 1/4 of the entire population? And he thinks that's a "low" number? I can see disagreeing with his policies or even hating him, but even that shouldn't be pushing people to call for his impeachment.

His crimes, on the other hand...
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Old 9th October 2019, 12:26 PM   #1474
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Actually no.
I should have checked.
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I shared this on FB and sadly, predictably got this reply from a "Conservative" (actually Populist) friend:

“Still. Trump IS, without question, undeniably unfit for the Presidency. The only way to remove him from office is through the ballot box. Wait 13 months, you'll get your chance."
As disheartening as the rest of this FB post is, at the end the poster says Trump is “undeniably unfit.” Is this some tidbit that is supposed to throw Dems off the impeachment track, or is it a sincere sentiment? Because if it’s sincere, it’s a pretty big concession to make.

Fake meme? If so it’s kind of brilliant.
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Whoa, easy there tiger. What is the democratic process that would authorize armed Rebellion? In our Revolution, the colonial assemblies voted and sent delegates to the Continental Congress. However flawed that body and process were, there was a democratic underpinning to out rebellion. How is armed rebellion without a democratic mandate in anyway going to restore democracy?

Avoiding armed rebellion is the primary reason that democracy is a superior political system, but it has to be functional. If, hypothetically, our democracy was no longer functioning as specified by the Constitution because corrupt power had taken over our means to enforce compliance, then it's gonna be a case of either taking it back again, forcefully, or living under a dictatorship.
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He needs the military in good shape and close to home to protect him from the imminent coup that he's been ranting about lately.
I’m not so sure the military would be on his side.
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Whoa, easy there tiger. What is the democratic process that would authorize armed Rebellion? In our Revolution, the colonial assemblies voted and sent delegates to the Continental Congress. However flawed that body and process were, there was a democratic underpinning to out rebellion. How is armed rebellion without a democratic mandate in anyway going to restore democracy?
The indisputable fact that the democratic process is being destroyed by the Executive branch, a majority of the senate , a large part of the House, and hundreds of Federal Judges.

It’s past time for these corpses to be swinging in gibbets in front of state houses to warn what happens when a party does such a thing.
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Dear President Trump,

Thank you for MAGA! And for getting rid of those mud people with leprosy!

As your humble admirer and an ordinary citizen who will never know the pleasure of sucking your enormous balls, may I be so brash as to offer advice?

The next time you decide to leave strategic "allies" at the mercy of a "brutal thug", maybe you should finesse the timing. Did the Turks really need to go in the next day? This gives ammo to the lamestream media and to the deep state. To realize the art of the deal, couldn't the Turks have waited a few days before storming in?

Your humble admirer,
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GOP Lawmakers Watch Silently As Trump Strangles Each Of Their Loved Ones In Turn

It's from The Onion, it must be true!

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WASHINGTON—Opting to take more of a wait-and-see approach instead of rushing to pass judgment, Republican lawmakers reportedly looked on in silence Tuesday as President Trump worked his way through each of their families and, one by one, strangled all their loved ones to death. “After I watched the president slowly and methodically squeeze the life out of my wife’s body as she gasped, futilely, for breath, he gave me his personal assurance that he was not responsible for her death, so I continue to stand by this administration,” said Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-TN), who along with every Republican in both the House and Senate stated that while killing off their families in cold blood might not be entirely proper, it was certainly not an impeachable offense, no matter how the media tried to spin it. “Now, this is not an action I would have taken myself. I personally would not have wrapped my hands around my 5-year-old son’s neck and crushed his windpipe. But if Donald Trump’s approach to governing is sometimes a bit outside the ordinary, that’s because Donald Trump is no ordinary president. And maybe that’s not such a bad thing.” Later, with his beloved sister’s face turning purple as the commander-in-chief asphyxiated her with a length of barbed wire, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) appeared on several television news networks and said impeaching the president for her imminent death would be “insane.”
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