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Old 8th October 2019, 12:04 PM   #1
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NBA Vs. China

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/08/76822...ck-block-games


NBA Commissioner Adam Silver is affirming the league will not censor players or front-office personnel, saying "freedom of expression" is paramount for the league, which has been criticized for its response to an employee's tweet about pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong.
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Pity Colin Kaepernick wasn't a basketball player.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:12 PM   #3
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Pity Colin Kaepernick wasn't a basketball player.
I was thinking the same thing.
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Why? So he could do for the citizens of Hong Kong what he did for Black Lives Matter (or whatever he was kneeling about)?
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:24 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/08/76822...ck-block-games


NBA Commissioner Adam Silver is affirming the league will not censor players or front-office personnel, saying "freedom of expression" is paramount for the league, which has been criticized for its response to an employee's tweet about pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong.

But the NBA will (and already did) abjectly apologize to China over it. Because, money.

So they won't "censor" anyone but will they find a way to punish players or personnel whose "insensitive" comments cause the glorious Party to cancel a billion-dollar deal? Of course they will.

Meanwhile, in a different "sport," Blizzard banned a pro gamer who ended an interview with a pro Hong Kong message.

The backlash to both actions could become interesting.
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NBA will win every time. They're much taller than the Chinese.
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But the NBA will (and already did) abjectly apologize to China over it. Because, money.



So they won't "censor" anyone but will they find a way to punish players or personnel whose "insensitive" comments cause the glorious Party to cancel a billion-dollar deal? Of course they will.



Meanwhile, in a different "sport," Blizzard banned a pro gamer who ended an interview with a pro Hong Kong message.



The backlash to both actions could become interesting.
Why on earth would Blizzard want their entertainment service to be dragged into that political minefield?

They didn't establish their sports league as a platform for celebrities to broadcast political opinions. It makes sense that they'd take steps to make it clear that it's not to be used that way.
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Why on earth would Blizzard want their entertainment service to be dragged into that political minefield?

They didn't establish their sports league as a platform for celebrities to broadcast political opinions. It makes sense that they'd take steps to make it clear that it's not to be used that way.

Well, now they have U.S. Senators (Dem. and Rep.) publicly questioning their actions, and a growing player boycott movement across all their games and platforms. So clearly they made the right decision not to get involved!
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Reprimanding and firing people because of their opinions - this is becoming a bit scary. I don't know a single person who is above that kind of reproach.

It's like there is a growing expectation for people to act less and less human, as if we are faultless by default. Don't hate, don't speak, don't make a mistake, don't run a red light because there are no friendly warnings anymore for anything. And don't be different!

Since when is it bad to talk about communism LOL? Bunch of wussies. The NBA is going to tell us what is moral?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Why on earth would Blizzard want their entertainment service to be dragged into that political minefield?

They didn't establish their sports league as a platform for celebrities to broadcast political opinions. It makes sense that they'd take steps to make it clear that it's not to be used that way.

Well the GM didn't do that. He simply asked people to "pray for Hong Kong" on his own private Twitter account. It was in a no way associated with the NBA until China decided to get nuclear butthurt about it.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Reprimanding and firing people because of their opinions - this is becoming a bit scary. I don't know a single person who is above that kind of reproach.

It's like there is a growing expectation for people to act less and less human, as if we are faultless by default. Don't hate, don't speak, don't make a mistake, don't run a red light because there are no friendly warnings anymore for anything. And don't be different!

Since when is it bad to talk about communism LOL? Bunch of wussies. The NBA is going to tell us what is moral?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Why on earth would Blizzard want their entertainment service to be dragged into that political minefield?

What they want isn't relevant. They have been dragged into it, whether they like it or not.


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They didn't establish their sports league as a platform for celebrities to broadcast political opinions. It makes sense that they'd take steps to make it clear that it's not to be used that way.
No, they established their sports league to make money. They have now convinced a large portion of the world that money is their only driver and morality can go hang.

Which causes their reputation to suffer.

Which costs money.
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Why on earth would Blizzard want their entertainment service to be dragged into that political minefield?

They didn't establish their sports league as a platform for celebrities to broadcast political opinions. It makes sense that they'd take steps to make it clear that it's not to be used that way.
They made a game literally translated as devil three years after Congress tried to ban games like that and were stopped based on the principles of freedom of speech. The video game industry has a fundamental link to free speech they cannot escape.
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They made a game literally translated as devil three years after Congress tried to ban games like that and were stopped based on the principles of freedom of speech. The video game industry has a fundamental link to free speech they cannot escape.
Thank god you demystified the name of that videogame. I don't think anyone would have known what you were talking about if you'd just called it "Diablo".
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Why on earth would Blizzard want their entertainment service to be dragged into that political minefield?
Maybe they shouldn't have taken money from the Chinese government to begin with.

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And yet, they have no problem with league sanctioned political statements. Owners and executives are allowed to use the NBA as a platform to push their views. League friendly ones, of course.
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NBA will win every time. They're much taller than the Chinese.
In a singled game or short series, ya. But, the NBA has 450 players. China has over 1 billion to draw from. Don't underestimate the value of fresh legs in a season.
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Maybe they shouldn't have taken money from the Chinese government to begin with.



And yet, they have no problem with league sanctioned political statements. Owners and executives are allowed to use the NBA as a platform to push their views. League friendly ones, of course.
I was talking about Blizzard.
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Ya, I'm talking about the NBA, Blizzard and any American company that wants to do business with China.

Blizzard sold a huge portion of their company to Tencent.

If you are doing business in China, you are doing business with the Chinese government. Which means you involve yourself in their politics.
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Thank god you demystified the name of that videogame. I don't think anyone would have known what you were talking about if you'd just called it "Diablo".
And the point was if Lieberman (or the satanic panic of the 80s) got their way, it may not have existed
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Ya, I'm talking about the NBA, Blizzard and any American company that wants to do business with China.

Blizzard sold a huge portion of their company to Tencent.

If you are doing business in China, you are doing business with the Chinese government. Which means you involve yourself in their politics.

This.

"We don't want to be involved in politics" doesn't work so well when you're already in bed with an oppressive regime that you already knew was such when the relationship started.

They've already done politics. They're manifesto being "We would like to make all the money and we don't care about the horrific actions of our partners"
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Well the GM didn't do that. He simply asked people to "pray for Hong Kong" on his own private Twitter account. It was in a no way associated with the NBA until China decided to get nuclear butthurt about it.
Somehow I feel as if nobody else in the thread saw that.

A foreign government is hammering a U.S. company because of a personal opinion expressed by one of its employees, using his own resources on his own time.

And the company folds without a hint of a fight.

That's unacceptable on multiple levels.
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Somehow I feel as if nobody else in the thread saw that.

A foreign government is hammering a U.S. company because of a personal opinion expressed by one of its employees, using his own resources on his own time.

And the company folds without a hint of a fight.

That's unacceptable on multiple levels.
$$$$$. Nothing is more important!
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This.

"We don't want to be involved in politics" doesn't work so well when you're already in bed with an oppressive regime that you already knew was such when the relationship started.

They've already done politics. They're manifesto being "We would like to make all the money and we don't care about the horrific actions of our partners"
Reminds me of the 80s when some companies did business with apartheid South Africa and wondered what the big deal was.
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And the point was if Lieberman (or the satanic panic of the 80s) got their way, it may not have existed
I have no opinion about that.
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Pity Colin Kaepernick wasn't a basketball player.
who cares, screw appeasing China. Let them appease us for once.
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Okay, so China absolutely owns the NBA and Blizzard.


https://6abc.com/sports/sixers-fan-s...-game/5604293/
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who cares, screw appeasing China. Let them appease us for once.
I don't think China has too much interest in doing that. The status quo is working just fine for them.
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I don't think China has too much interest in doing that. The status quo is working just fine for them.
Iconic American institutions are doing as Beijing instructs.

I think Beijing are very, very happy with the current state of affairs.
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Iconic American institutions are doing as Beijing instructs.

I think Beijing are very, very happy with the current state of affairs.
I used to work for an iconic American brand that was developing an Asia strategy with China at it's center. I would not be surprised to read one day soon that the brand was bought out by Chinese interests. It certainly didn't seem to be something the board was trying to avoid, either.
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Ya, I'm talking about the NBA, Blizzard and any American company that wants to do business with China.

Blizzard sold a huge portion of their company to Tencent.

If you are doing business in China, you are doing business with the Chinese government. Which means you involve yourself in their politics.
Which might explain why their games have been crap recently...
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This.

"We don't want to be involved in politics" doesn't work so well when you're already in bed with an oppressive regime that you already knew was such when the relationship started.

They've already done politics. They're manifesto being "We would like to make all the money and we don't care about the horrific actions of our partners"
Especially when, like so many manufacturers, you are doing business in China specifically because of their oppressive laws, which make labor cheap there.
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The NBA should say **** the money and take their Basketball home.
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The NBA should say **** the money and take their Basketball home.
That's not what they're doing at all:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1WP109
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So China made the decision for them?
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So China made the decision for them?

I think China are making a lot of people's decisions for them at the moment.

Most of the important decisions in global politics appear to be taken somewhere east of the Urals these days.
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It's such a frustrating mindset to me though, from a business perspective. these companies are already ubiquitous in the West. Hell, a bunch of them are popular in East Asia outside of China and North Korea. Why are they so desperate to chase a dollar in China when it is so obvious the government there will make it untenable in the foreseeable future?

Its like a small company that makes consumer electronics. They strike a deal with Amazon and ya, at first they will get exposed to a lot more customers. But, eventually, Amazon hits you with so many rules and requirements that it actually makes business unprofitable. And that is before Amazon starts pushing a competitor.

The only difference is, these are billion dollar companies that regularly pull that scam themselves. Why are they getting taken in by it?
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